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Eisboch wrote:

"Jim" wrote in message
...


As long as the money keeps moving around everyone is happy and the
government has lots of money (taxes) to spend on ridiculous things
(Pork)and some necessary things. When money moves in exchange for
nothing (Handouts, Gifts, Bailouts) etc. some people are happy for a
while until everything comes to a screeching halt. The socialist,
liberal, entitlement crap that Harry is promoting is what got us to
where we are now. You want my money, give me something of value for
it. You love your country, don't run and hide when it needs you to
serve in it's military and then expect it to protect and feed you.
Guys like Harry make me sick to my stomach.



I'll admit to a Roll-Aids from time to time, but that's about it.

Eisboch

Roll-aids don't work for me.. I think I need to roll the turd into his
private bozo bin and throw a couple shovel fulls of dirt over him.

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Don White" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"John H" wrote in message
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That makes good sense unless your goal is for the government to run the
corporations.

I visited China (PRC) back in 1986 when they were first experimenting
with the concepts of foreign investments and a subtle shift towards
capitalism.

It was an amazing exposure to life under an extreme socialist society.
(Communism)

The average Chinese factory worker had to bow to and worship his
employer who in turn worshiped his provincial mayor for the opportunity
to make a living for his family.

It was sad. And it hasn't changed.

And, it where this country is heading.

Eisboch


Every American and Canadian should support the union/labour movement.
If not for themselves, for their children & grandchildren.
\

The Chinese Government *is* the ultimate union labor establishment. Are
you sure that's what you want?

Eisboch


Naw..they're communist...I'd lean toward socialist/labour

Payrolls Post Biggest Annual Decline Since 1945
 

Don White wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"Don White" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"John H" wrote in message
...
That makes good sense unless your goal is for the government to run the
corporations.
I visited China (PRC) back in 1986 when they were first experimenting
with the concepts of foreign investments and a subtle shift towards
capitalism.

It was an amazing exposure to life under an extreme socialist society.
(Communism)

The average Chinese factory worker had to bow to and worship his
employer who in turn worshiped his provincial mayor for the opportunity
to make a living for his family.

It was sad. And it hasn't changed.

And, it where this country is heading.

Eisboch

Every American and Canadian should support the union/labour movement.
If not for themselves, for their children & grandchildren.
\
The Chinese Government *is* the ultimate union labor establishment. Are
you sure that's what you want?

Eisboch


Naw..they're communist...I'd lean toward socialist/labour



You are the kind of guy who wants government controlling his life from
the cradle to the grave.

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"Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote in message
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Don White wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"Don White" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"John H" wrote in message
...
That makes good sense unless your goal is for the government to run
the
corporations.
I visited China (PRC) back in 1986 when they were first experimenting
with the concepts of foreign investments and a subtle shift towards
capitalism.

It was an amazing exposure to life under an extreme socialist society.
(Communism)

The average Chinese factory worker had to bow to and worship his
employer who in turn worshiped his provincial mayor for the
opportunity to make a living for his family.

It was sad. And it hasn't changed.

And, it where this country is heading.

Eisboch

Every American and Canadian should support the union/labour movement.
If not for themselves, for their children & grandchildren.
\
The Chinese Government *is* the ultimate union labor establishment. Are
you sure that's what you want?

Eisboch


Naw..they're communist...I'd lean toward socialist/labour

You are the kind of guy who wants government controlling his life from the
cradle to the grave.

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/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
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Nope...Mr Class Act. I just want to see some benefit for my heavy taxes.

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On Jan 9, 7:01*pm, "Don White" wrote:
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Don White wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
om...
"Don White" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
news:88adnXyr4MCDJfrUnZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d@giganews .com...
"John H" wrote in message
om...
That makes good sense unless your goal is for the government to run
the
corporations.
I visited China (PRC) back in 1986 when they were first experimenting
with the concepts of foreign investments and a subtle shift towards
capitalism.

It was an amazing exposure to life under an extreme socialist society.
(Communism)

The average Chinese factory worker had to bow to and worship his
employer who in turn worshiped his provincial mayor for the
opportunity to make a living for his family.

It was sad. * And it hasn't changed.

And, it where this country is heading.

Eisboch

Every American and Canadian should support the union/labour movement..
If not for themselves, for their children & grandchildren.
\
The Chinese Government *is* the ultimate union labor establishment. *Are
you sure that's what you want?

Eisboch

Naw..they're communist...I'd lean toward *socialist/labour

You are the kind of guy who wants government controlling his life from the
cradle to the grave.

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Nope...Mr Class Act. *I just want to see some benefit for my heavy taxes.- Hide quoted text -

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LOL!! Sarcastically calling someone else a "class act" after what you
pulled last week? That's funny...

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On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 20:01:35 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


"Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote in message
m...
Don White wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"Don White" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"John H" wrote in message
...
That makes good sense unless your goal is for the government to run
the
corporations.
I visited China (PRC) back in 1986 when they were first experimenting
with the concepts of foreign investments and a subtle shift towards
capitalism.

It was an amazing exposure to life under an extreme socialist society.
(Communism)

The average Chinese factory worker had to bow to and worship his
employer who in turn worshiped his provincial mayor for the
opportunity to make a living for his family.

It was sad. And it hasn't changed.

And, it where this country is heading.

Eisboch

Every American and Canadian should support the union/labour movement.
If not for themselves, for their children & grandchildren.
\
The Chinese Government *is* the ultimate union labor establishment. Are
you sure that's what you want?

Eisboch


Naw..they're communist...I'd lean toward socialist/labour

You are the kind of guy who wants government controlling his life from the
cradle to the grave.

--
_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \


Nope...Mr Class Act. I just want to see some benefit for my heavy taxes.


Don, have you noticed that Harry has not jumped in to defend this position
of yours?

That, in itself, should tell you something.

Payrolls Post Biggest Annual Decline Since 1945
 

On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:37:44 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Don White" wrote in message
.. .

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"John H" wrote in message
...

That makes good sense unless your goal is for the government to run the
corporations.

I visited China (PRC) back in 1986 when they were first experimenting
with the concepts of foreign investments and a subtle shift towards
capitalism.

It was an amazing exposure to life under an extreme socialist society.
(Communism)

The average Chinese factory worker had to bow to and worship his employer
who in turn worshiped his provincial mayor for the opportunity to make a
living for his family.

It was sad. And it hasn't changed.

And, it where this country is heading.

Eisboch


Every American and Canadian should support the union/labour movement.
If not for themselves, for their children & grandchildren.
\

The Chinese Government *is* the ultimate union labor establishment. Are you
sure that's what you want?

The labor unions I've been a member of didn't worship anything except
getting power for their members, and would sooner cut their employer's
throat than worship him.
Guess you don't know much about American labor unions.
And it's disgusting to call American union members Chicoms.
It is the free-trade globalists who gave the Chicoms their power.
I think the ultimate commie labor union is the WSEFU.
That would be the "Wall Street Execs ****-up Union."
That's where you'll find the cretins who push for globalism and
subservience of labor. Their minions are in the Congressional and
Executive branches of the U.S. government.
Just gave them some hundreds of billions of taxpayers money.
I have my own idea about who the commie leaders are, who are
apparatchik, and who has the dachas.
Sure as hell ain't labor unions.
BTW, while I'm ranting here, might as well tell everybody what nobody
else wants to tell them.
This country will continue its decline until we start making our own
goods again. No two ways about it.
The party is over. Wall Street's rise, and all the non-productive
"work" it has provided, is kaput. It was smoke and mirrors and a
mountain of debt buying foreign goods that enabled and sustained it.
Honest blue collar factory labor will rise again.
Whether it's unionized or not is a side issue.
If you've saved some of the money cheap overseas labor has earned for
you in buying your toys, you'll be okay.
If you've spent like a drunken sailor and dug yourself into a hole,
you're in for "an entirely new experience."
Of course - and as usual - I may be wrong.
It's happened before. (-:

--Vic

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On Jan 9, 4:19*pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."

Just get in line behind the porn industry.


I heard about that today:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28545081/

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"Tim" wrote in message
...
On Jan 9, 4:19 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."

Just get in line behind the porn industry.


I heard about that today:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28545081/
--

That is funny....why not...

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"John H" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 20:01:35 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


"Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote in message
om...
Don White wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"Don White" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"John H" wrote in message
...
That makes good sense unless your goal is for the government to run
the
corporations.
I visited China (PRC) back in 1986 when they were first
experimenting
with the concepts of foreign investments and a subtle shift towards
capitalism.

It was an amazing exposure to life under an extreme socialist
society.
(Communism)

The average Chinese factory worker had to bow to and worship his
employer who in turn worshiped his provincial mayor for the
opportunity to make a living for his family.

It was sad. And it hasn't changed.

And, it where this country is heading.

Eisboch

Every American and Canadian should support the union/labour movement.
If not for themselves, for their children & grandchildren.
\
The Chinese Government *is* the ultimate union labor establishment.
Are
you sure that's what you want?

Eisboch


Naw..they're communist...I'd lean toward socialist/labour

You are the kind of guy who wants government controlling his life from
the
cradle to the grave.

--
_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \


Nope...Mr Class Act. I just want to see some benefit for my heavy taxes.


Don, have you noticed that Harry has not jumped in to defend this position
of yours?

That, in itself, should tell you something.

ahhhh ...you assume Harry & I are similar to your Drone Army...where every
drone marches along in lockstep?
No military maneuvers for us.. we can and do act independently.

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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
The labor unions I've been a member of didn't worship anything except
getting power for their members, and would sooner cut their employer's
throat than worship him.
Guess you don't know much about American labor unions.
And it's disgusting to call American union members Chicoms.
It is the free-trade globalists who gave the Chicoms their power.
I think the ultimate commie labor union is the WSEFU.
That would be the "Wall Street Execs ****-up Union."
That's where you'll find the cretins who push for globalism and
subservience of labor. Their minions are in the Congressional and
Executive branches of the U.S. government.
Just gave them some hundreds of billions of taxpayers money.
I have my own idea about who the commie leaders are, who are
apparatchik, and who has the dachas.
Sure as hell ain't labor unions.
BTW, while I'm ranting here, might as well tell everybody what nobody
else wants to tell them.
This country will continue its decline until we start making our own
goods again. No two ways about it.
The party is over. Wall Street's rise, and all the non-productive
"work" it has provided, is kaput. It was smoke and mirrors and a
mountain of debt buying foreign goods that enabled and sustained it.
Honest blue collar factory labor will rise again.
Whether it's unionized or not is a side issue.
If you've saved some of the money cheap overseas labor has earned for
you in buying your toys, you'll be okay.
If you've spent like a drunken sailor and dug yourself into a hole,
you're in for "an entirely new experience."
Of course - and as usual - I may be wrong.
It's happened before. (-:

--Vic

Yup...and the difference 'for now' between Canada and the US is we still
have natural resources to sell off to maintain our lifestyle. When they're
gone...........

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hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
m...

I don't think that is the way out. We need massive infusion of
capital to get the economy moving, and corporate America ain't
spending it.

Why should they? All they will do is become penalized via taxes.

Eisboch


Well, then, let them liquidate themselves so others who want to run a
business can fill the voids.

From the man who has never run a business in his entire life.

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hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
m...

I don't think that is the way out. We need massive infusion of
capital to get the economy moving, and corporate America ain't
spending it.

Why should they? All they will do is become penalized via taxes.

Eisboch


Well, then, let them liquidate themselves so others who want to run a
business can fill the voids.


You have to be kidding. Businesses survive, employ people, provide
health plans, and grow because they can make a profit. Take that
incentive away and you get what we have now.

Eisboch


It isn't taxes that it keeping corporations from making money. It is a
crapped out economy and bad management.

It is over regulation by the government that has crapped out the economy.

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Don White wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"John H" wrote in message
...
That makes good sense unless your goal is for the government to run the
corporations.
I visited China (PRC) back in 1986 when they were first experimenting with
the concepts of foreign investments and a subtle shift towards capitalism.

It was an amazing exposure to life under an extreme socialist society.
(Communism)

The average Chinese factory worker had to bow to and worship his employer
who in turn worshiped his provincial mayor for the opportunity to make a
living for his family.

It was sad. And it hasn't changed.

And, it where this country is heading.

Eisboch


Every American and Canadian should support the union/labour movement.
If not for themselves, for their children & grandchildren.

Screw that. What happed to being pro-choice.

Payrolls Post Biggest Annual Decline Since 1945
 

Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"John H" wrote in message
...

That makes good sense unless your goal is for the government to
run the
corporations.

I visited China (PRC) back in 1986 when they were first
experimenting with the concepts of foreign investments and a subtle
shift towards capitalism.

It was an amazing exposure to life under an extreme socialist
society. (Communism)

The average Chinese factory worker had to bow to and worship his
employer who in turn worshiped his provincial mayor for the
opportunity to make a living for his family.

It was sad. And it hasn't changed.

And, it where this country is heading.

Eisboch


Every American and Canadian should support the union/labour movement.
If not for themselves, for their children & grandchildren.
\

The Chinese Government *is* the ultimate union labor establishment.
Are you sure that's what you want?

Eisboch


No it isn't.

It isn't want you want or it isn't what I said?

If the latter, you are dead wrong. It is exactly what the ultimate
structure and relationship of a controlled, "unionized" society is.

Organized labor from the politburo down to the factory floor.

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Don White wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"Don White" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"John H" wrote in message
...
That makes good sense unless your goal is for the government to run the
corporations.
I visited China (PRC) back in 1986 when they were first experimenting
with the concepts of foreign investments and a subtle shift towards
capitalism.

It was an amazing exposure to life under an extreme socialist society.
(Communism)

The average Chinese factory worker had to bow to and worship his
employer who in turn worshiped his provincial mayor for the opportunity
to make a living for his family.

It was sad. And it hasn't changed.

And, it where this country is heading.

Eisboch

Every American and Canadian should support the union/labour movement.
If not for themselves, for their children & grandchildren.
\
The Chinese Government *is* the ultimate union labor establishment. Are
you sure that's what you want?

Eisboch


Naw..they're communist...I'd lean toward socialist/labour



It's all central control. The only difference is the name.

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Don White wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"Don White" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"John H" wrote in message
...
That makes good sense unless your goal is for the government to run
the
corporations.
I visited China (PRC) back in 1986 when they were first experimenting
with the concepts of foreign investments and a subtle shift towards
capitalism.

It was an amazing exposure to life under an extreme socialist society.
(Communism)

The average Chinese factory worker had to bow to and worship his
employer who in turn worshiped his provincial mayor for the
opportunity to make a living for his family.

It was sad. And it hasn't changed.

And, it where this country is heading.

Eisboch
Every American and Canadian should support the union/labour movement.
If not for themselves, for their children & grandchildren.
\
The Chinese Government *is* the ultimate union labor establishment. Are
you sure that's what you want?

Eisboch

Naw..they're communist...I'd lean toward socialist/labour
You are the kind of guy who wants government controlling his life from the
cradle to the grave.

--
_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \


Nope...Mr Class Act. I just want to see some benefit for my heavy taxes.

How about some extremely light taxes and you can give your money to
whomever you want.

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On Jan 9, 9:56*pm, BAR wrote:
Don White wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
m...
"John H" wrote in message
. ..
That makes good sense unless your goal is for the government to run the
corporations.
I visited China (PRC) back in 1986 when they were first experimenting with
the concepts of foreign investments and a subtle shift towards capitalism.

It was an amazing exposure to life under an extreme socialist society.
(Communism)

The average Chinese factory worker had to bow to and worship his employer
who in turn worshiped his provincial mayor for the opportunity to make a
living for his family.

It was sad. * And it hasn't changed.

And, it where this country is heading.

Eisboch

Every American and Canadian should support the union/labour movement.
If not for themselves, for their children & grandchildren.

Screw that. What happed to being pro-choice.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

These two aren't pro choice, they are simply pro abortion...

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"Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote in message
...

You are the kind of guy who wants government controlling his life from the
cradle to the grave.

--
_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
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How 'bout dropping the artwork? They are starting to pile up on my
keyboard.

Eisboch

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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:37:44 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

The Chinese Government *is* the ultimate union labor establishment. Are
you
sure that's what you want?


The labor unions I've been a member of didn't worship anything except
getting power for their members, and would sooner cut their employer's
throat than worship him.
Guess you don't know much about American labor unions.
And it's disgusting to call American union members Chicoms.


First order, yes. Second and third order, no. It's all about power and
control by a few over many.

I agree with the rest of your rant.

Eisboch

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"BAR" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"John H" wrote in message
...
That makes good sense unless your goal is for the government to run the
corporations.
I visited China (PRC) back in 1986 when they were first experimenting
with the concepts of foreign investments and a subtle shift towards
capitalism.

It was an amazing exposure to life under an extreme socialist society.
(Communism)

The average Chinese factory worker had to bow to and worship his
employer who in turn worshiped his provincial mayor for the opportunity
to make a living for his family.

It was sad. And it hasn't changed.

And, it where this country is heading.

Eisboch


Every American and Canadian should support the union/labour movement.
If not for themselves, for their children & grandchildren.

Screw that. What happed to being pro-choice.

Unions are not about choice, be it a new worker being bullied or a
government. Take the Canadian NDP party, a union party. They offered $1
billion of tax payers money to the Bloc (Quebec party) if they got their
votes for a year or two to form a coalition coup d'etat. And as I and other
suspect, because they wanted tax payers cash for GM/Chrylser. Saved by a
quirk in the parlimentry system, but still possible.

Now that is meddling in Canadian politics. The NDP Layton should be
arrested for bribery of a MP representative.

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wrote in message
...
On Jan 9, 9:56 pm, BAR wrote:
Don White wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
m...
"John H" wrote in message
. ..
That makes good sense unless your goal is for the government to run
the
corporations.
I visited China (PRC) back in 1986 when they were first experimenting
with
the concepts of foreign investments and a subtle shift towards
capitalism.

It was an amazing exposure to life under an extreme socialist society.
(Communism)

The average Chinese factory worker had to bow to and worship his
employer
who in turn worshiped his provincial mayor for the opportunity to make
a
living for his family.

It was sad. And it hasn't changed.

And, it where this country is heading.

Eisboch

Every American and Canadian should support the union/labour movement.
If not for themselves, for their children & grandchildren.

Screw that. What happed to being pro-choice.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

These two aren't pro choice, they are simply pro abortion...

Yep, pro abortion of tax payers cash down the toilet.

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"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
The labor unions I've been a member of didn't worship anything except
getting power for their members, and would sooner cut their employer's
throat than worship him.
Guess you don't know much about American labor unions.
And it's disgusting to call American union members Chicoms.
It is the free-trade globalists who gave the Chicoms their power.
I think the ultimate commie labor union is the WSEFU.
That would be the "Wall Street Execs ****-up Union."
That's where you'll find the cretins who push for globalism and
subservience of labor. Their minions are in the Congressional and
Executive branches of the U.S. government.
Just gave them some hundreds of billions of taxpayers money.
I have my own idea about who the commie leaders are, who are
apparatchik, and who has the dachas.
Sure as hell ain't labor unions.
BTW, while I'm ranting here, might as well tell everybody what nobody
else wants to tell them.
This country will continue its decline until we start making our own
goods again. No two ways about it.
The party is over. Wall Street's rise, and all the non-productive
"work" it has provided, is kaput. It was smoke and mirrors and a
mountain of debt buying foreign goods that enabled and sustained it.
Honest blue collar factory labor will rise again.
Whether it's unionized or not is a side issue.
If you've saved some of the money cheap overseas labor has earned for
you in buying your toys, you'll be okay.
If you've spent like a drunken sailor and dug yourself into a hole,
you're in for "an entirely new experience."
Of course - and as usual - I may be wrong.
It's happened before. (-:

--Vic

Yup...and the difference 'for now' between Canada and the US is we still
have natural resources to sell off to maintain our lifestyle. When
they're gone...........
So will we be gone.

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"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:

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I don't think that is the way out. We need massive infusion of capital
to get the economy moving, and corporate America ain't spending it.

Why should they? All they will do is become penalized via taxes.

Eisboch


Well, then, let them liquidate themselves so others who want to run a
business can fill the voids.


You have to be kidding. Businesses survive, employ people, provide
health plans, and grow because they can make a profit. Take that
incentive away and you get what we have now.

Eisboch


It isn't taxes that it keeping corporations from making money. It is a
crapped out economy and bad management.

More the economy. And government is a major cause of the economic woes.
It, under both major parties, has become a huge borrower, taking a lot of
capitol out of circulation. Encouraged overspending. The last stimulus
package was a failure, so BO is proposing 2x the failed program. I know you
do not care about your kids, if you ever had any, but all these people
crying for the government to save them from the pain of greed by themselves
are willing to put the pain on their kids, grandkids and great, great
grandkids. You could read it here a couple years ago when the cost of
buying a boat was discussed. A couple of posters said they did nto really
care what the boat cost as long as the monthly payment was affordable. 15
year loan on a $9000 boat. This Congress and the executive branch have
bungled the bailout. And BO is looking to 2x bungle it. The S&L bailout
could be an example. 3000 banks closed, but the resolution trust seemed to
handle it decently. None of the governments are talking about cutting their
spending! Local and states are figuring how to raise taxes and fees so they
can go along as if the economy does not matter. I do not have the answer,
but it appears our elected leaders do not either.

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"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
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On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:17:47 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"hk" wrote in message
news:gIidnfkxkPBnMPrUnZ2dnUVZ_hidnZ2d@earthlink. com...
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
m...

I don't think that is the way out. We need massive infusion of capital
to get the economy moving, and corporate America ain't spending it.

Why should they? All they will do is become penalized via taxes.

Eisboch


Well, then, let them liquidate themselves so others who want to run a
business can fill the voids.


BTW, I just found out about 30 min. ago that the company I started just
won
a major contract for technology that I can't identify just yet. They are
hiring. And their achievement has absolutely nothing to do with proposed
economic salvation plans proposed by the incoming administration.

Congratulations and best wishes for continued success.

--

"An idealist is one who, on noticing that
a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes
that it will also make better soup."

H.L. Mencken
when do we get the plasma engines?

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"Don White" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"hk" wrote in message
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U.S. Economy: Payrolls Post Biggest Annual Decline Since 1945

By Shobhana Chandra

Jan. 9 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. lost more jobs in 2008 than in any year
since 1945 as employers fired another 524,000 people in December,
indicating a free-fall in the economy just days before President-elect
Barack Obama takes office.

"Consumers are now going to get more and more scared at the prospect of
losing their job," said Nariman Behravesh, chief economist at IHS Global
Insight in Lexington, Massachusetts. Obama's proposed fiscal stimulus
"needs to be big, needs to be bold, needs to be swift. If they can do
something quickly we can limit the hemorrhage by mid-year."

The Labor Department reported that the nation lost 2.589 million jobs in
2008, just shy of the 2.75 million decline at the end of World War II.
The unemployment rate climbed more than economists forecast, to 7.2
percent in December, the highest level in almost 16 years.

Today's figures will intensify pressure on U.S. lawmakers to act quickly
on Obama's recovery program, which may exceed $775 billion and aims to
save or create 3 million jobs. They also underscore the urgency of the
Federal Reserve's $200 billion initiative to restart consumer financing
markets that's scheduled to begin next month.

- - -


Thank you for your leadership on these economic issues, President Bush.



Now if we could get the Feds from stop over spending and there would be
money for the economy to grow on, we could get out of this mess.

Mess?? You Californians better start paying your taxes before Arnold
sells off the lot of you.


Prime example of overspending. the budget was 69 billion bucks 8 years ago.
About 130Billion now. We do not have a revenue problem we have a spending
problem. If the budget had grown at the rate of inflation and population
growth, we would have a $10 billion SURPLUS. If you get a tax refund the
state is going to send you a non interest or penalty IOU. We need to send
non payable IOU's to the legislature while they are failing to do their job.

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Don White wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote in message
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Don White wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Don White" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"John H" wrote in message
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That makes good sense unless your goal is for the government to run
the
corporations.
I visited China (PRC) back in 1986 when they were first experimenting
with the concepts of foreign investments and a subtle shift towards
capitalism.

It was an amazing exposure to life under an extreme socialist society.
(Communism)

The average Chinese factory worker had to bow to and worship his
employer who in turn worshiped his provincial mayor for the
opportunity to make a living for his family.

It was sad. And it hasn't changed.

And, it where this country is heading.

Eisboch
Every American and Canadian should support the union/labour movement.
If not for themselves, for their children & grandchildren.
\
The Chinese Government *is* the ultimate union labor establishment. Are
you sure that's what you want?

Eisboch

Naw..they're communist...I'd lean toward socialist/labour
You are the kind of guy who wants government controlling his life from the
cradle to the grave.



Nope...Mr Class Act. I just want to see some benefit for my heavy taxes.



You say you lean toward socialist/labor. What you are really saying, is
I want someone's else's money. If you were upset about paying heavy
taxes, you would want less taxes.

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Eisboch wrote:

"Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote in message
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You are the kind of guy who wants government controlling his life from
the cradle to the grave.



How 'bout dropping the artwork? They are starting to pile up on my
keyboard.

Eisboch
What artwork?

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"CalifBill" wrote in message
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I do not have the answer,
but it appears our elected leaders do not either.


They don't, economists don't, nobody knows. What is being done, in the
words of Andrea Mitchell, is throwing anything and everything against the
wall and see if anything sticks.

Eisboch

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On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 22:19:48 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
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On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 20:01:35 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


"Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote in message
news:Ye2dnayY78k_ffrUnZ2dnUVZ_trinZ2d@giganews. com...
Don White wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Don White" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"John H" wrote in message
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That makes good sense unless your goal is for the government to run
the
corporations.
I visited China (PRC) back in 1986 when they were first
experimenting
with the concepts of foreign investments and a subtle shift towards
capitalism.

It was an amazing exposure to life under an extreme socialist
society.
(Communism)

The average Chinese factory worker had to bow to and worship his
employer who in turn worshiped his provincial mayor for the
opportunity to make a living for his family.

It was sad. And it hasn't changed.

And, it where this country is heading.

Eisboch

Every American and Canadian should support the union/labour movement.
If not for themselves, for their children & grandchildren.
\
The Chinese Government *is* the ultimate union labor establishment.
Are
you sure that's what you want?

Eisboch


Naw..they're communist...I'd lean toward socialist/labour

You are the kind of guy who wants government controlling his life from
the
cradle to the grave.

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Nope...Mr Class Act. I just want to see some benefit for my heavy taxes.


Don, have you noticed that Harry has not jumped in to defend this position
of yours?

That, in itself, should tell you something.

ahhhh ...you assume Harry & I are similar to your Drone Army...where every
drone marches along in lockstep?
No military maneuvers for us.. we can and do act independently.


No, I assume even he thinks that comment just too stupid to endorse.

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John H wrote:
On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 22:19:48 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
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On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 20:01:35 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:

"Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote in message
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Don White wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"Don White" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"John H" wrote in message
...
That makes good sense unless your goal is for the government to run
the
corporations.
I visited China (PRC) back in 1986 when they were first
experimenting
with the concepts of foreign investments and a subtle shift towards
capitalism.

It was an amazing exposure to life under an extreme socialist
society.
(Communism)

The average Chinese factory worker had to bow to and worship his
employer who in turn worshiped his provincial mayor for the
opportunity to make a living for his family.

It was sad. And it hasn't changed.

And, it where this country is heading.

Eisboch
Every American and Canadian should support the union/labour movement.
If not for themselves, for their children & grandchildren.
\
The Chinese Government *is* the ultimate union labor establishment.
Are
you sure that's what you want?

Eisboch

Naw..they're communist...I'd lean toward socialist/labour
You are the kind of guy who wants government controlling his life from
the
cradle to the grave.


Nope...Mr Class Act. I just want to see some benefit for my heavy taxes.

Don, have you noticed that Harry has not jumped in to defend this position
of yours?

That, in itself, should tell you something.
ahhhh ...you assume Harry & I are similar to your Drone Army...where every
drone marches along in lockstep?
No military maneuvers for us.. we can and do act independently.


No, I assume even he thinks that comment just too stupid to endorse.

Actually, Don is Harry's stooge, not the other way around. It is Don's
job to say "Yah, you tell him".

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"Canuck57" wrote in message
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Unions are not about choice, be it a new worker being bullied or a
government. Take the Canadian NDP party, a union party. They offered $1
billion of tax payers money to the Bloc (Quebec party) if they got their
votes for a year or two to form a coalition coup d'etat. And as I and
other suspect, because they wanted tax payers cash for GM/Chrylser. Saved
by a quirk in the parlimentry system, but still possible.

Now that is meddling in Canadian politics. The NDP Layton should be
arrested for bribery of a MP representative.


Guess I missed that news release. Got any links?

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"CalifBill" wrote in message
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I do not have the answer,
but it appears our elected leaders do not either.


They don't, economists don't, nobody knows. What is being done, in the
words of Andrea Mitchell, is throwing anything and everything against the
wall and see if anything sticks.

Eisboch

The scary part is I think the recession will get much worse before turning
around. And not one of the elected are asking Obama and his team what is
the basis for his plan.

Payrolls Post Biggest Annual Decline Since 1945
 

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"CalifBill" wrote in message
...


I do not have the answer,
but it appears our elected leaders do not either.


They don't, economists don't, nobody knows. What is being done, in the
words of Andrea Mitchell, is throwing anything and everything against the
wall and see if anything sticks.

Eisboch

The scary part is I think the recession will get much worse before turning
around. And not one of the elected are asking Obama and his team what is
the basis for his plan.


Some of Obama's comments lately are not exactly reassuring to the public.
He's trying to put pressure on Congress to make sure they will approve his
massive stimulus spending, but he's doing it by scaring the bejeezes out of
people. He recently made a statement to the affect that if his plan is not
approved, it may be too late to save the US. Not sure what he means by
that, but they sure aren't the words of a true Leader.

Eisboch

Payrolls Post Biggest Annual Decline Since 1945
 

On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 12:03:55 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
Unions are not about choice, be it a new worker being bullied or a
government. Take the Canadian NDP party, a union party. They offered $1
billion of tax payers money to the Bloc (Quebec party) if they got their
votes for a year or two to form a coalition coup d'etat. And as I and
other suspect, because they wanted tax payers cash for GM/Chrylser. Saved
by a quirk in the parlimentry system, but still possible.

Now that is meddling in Canadian politics. The NDP Layton should be
arrested for bribery of a MP representative.


Guess I missed that news release. Got any links?


http://tinyurl.com/161

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Eisboch wrote:

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"CalifBill" wrote in message
...


I do not have the answer,
but it appears our elected leaders do not either.


They don't, economists don't, nobody knows. What is being done, in
the words of Andrea Mitchell, is throwing anything and everything
against the wall and see if anything sticks.

Eisboch

The scary part is I think the recession will get much worse before
turning around. And not one of the elected are asking Obama and his
team what is the basis for his plan.


Some of Obama's comments lately are not exactly reassuring to the
public. He's trying to put pressure on Congress to make sure they will
approve his massive stimulus spending, but he's doing it by scaring the
bejeezes out of people. He recently made a statement to the affect
that if his plan is not approved, it may be too late to save the US.
Not sure what he means by that, but they sure aren't the words of a true
Leader.

I am willing to wait it out. We don't need to go deeper into debt. It is
going to be a little bit painful for some but, that's life.

Payrolls Post Biggest Annual Decline Since 1945
 

Eisboch wrote:

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"CalifBill" wrote in message
...


I do not have the answer,
but it appears our elected leaders do not either.


They don't, economists don't, nobody knows. What is being done, in
the words of Andrea Mitchell, is throwing anything and everything
against the wall and see if anything sticks.

Eisboch

The scary part is I think the recession will get much worse before
turning around. And not one of the elected are asking Obama and his
team what is the basis for his plan.


Some of Obama's comments lately are not exactly reassuring to the
public. He's trying to put pressure on Congress to make sure they will
approve his massive stimulus spending, but he's doing it by scaring the
bejeezes out of people. He recently made a statement to the affect
that if his plan is not approved, it may be too late to save the US.
Not sure what he means by that, but they sure aren't the words of a true
Leader.

Eisboch

Obama is correct.

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hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"CalifBill" wrote in message
...


I do not have the answer,
but it appears our elected leaders do not either.


They don't, economists don't, nobody knows. What is being done, in
the words of Andrea Mitchell, is throwing anything and everything
against the wall and see if anything sticks.

Eisboch

The scary part is I think the recession will get much worse before
turning around. And not one of the elected are asking Obama and his
team what is the basis for his plan.


Some of Obama's comments lately are not exactly reassuring to the
public. He's trying to put pressure on Congress to make sure they will
approve his massive stimulus spending, but he's doing it by scaring
the bejeezes out of people. He recently made a statement to the
affect that if his plan is not approved, it may be too late to save
the US. Not sure what he means by that, but they sure aren't the
words of a true Leader.

Eisboch

Obama is correct.

Obama is wrong. We don't need more government intervention in business.
All of these professional politicians to go get real jobs.

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BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"CalifBill" wrote in message
...


I do not have the answer,
but it appears our elected leaders do not either.


They don't, economists don't, nobody knows. What is being done, in
the words of Andrea Mitchell, is throwing anything and everything
against the wall and see if anything sticks.

Eisboch

The scary part is I think the recession will get much worse before
turning around. And not one of the elected are asking Obama and his
team what is the basis for his plan.


Some of Obama's comments lately are not exactly reassuring to the
public. He's trying to put pressure on Congress to make sure they
will approve his massive stimulus spending, but he's doing it by
scaring the bejeezes out of people. He recently made a statement to
the affect that if his plan is not approved, it may be too late to
save the US. Not sure what he means by that, but they sure aren't
the words of a true Leader.

Eisboch

Obama is correct.

Obama is wrong. We don't need more government intervention in business.


Prove it.

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hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"CalifBill" wrote in message
...


I do not have the answer,
but it appears our elected leaders do not either.


They don't, economists don't, nobody knows. What is being done,
in the words of Andrea Mitchell, is throwing anything and
everything against the wall and see if anything sticks.

Eisboch

The scary part is I think the recession will get much worse before
turning around. And not one of the elected are asking Obama and
his team what is the basis for his plan.


Some of Obama's comments lately are not exactly reassuring to the
public. He's trying to put pressure on Congress to make sure they
will approve his massive stimulus spending, but he's doing it by
scaring the bejeezes out of people. He recently made a statement
to the affect that if his plan is not approved, it may be too late
to save the US. Not sure what he means by that, but they sure
aren't the words of a true Leader.

Eisboch

Obama is correct.

Obama is wrong. We don't need more government intervention in business.


Prove it.

The GAO. If you want spur economic growth you need to cut taxes and
encourage business to hire and spend without the threat of increased
taxes. The people need to know that they will be able to spend their own
money the way they want to spend it rather than having it confiscated
and given, "redistributed", to those who won't get off their lazy asses
and work for themselves.

Obama with his misguided idea that he is going to "save" jobs and create
jobs by government spending is comical. FDR tried it before and it
failed miserable. Private industry creates jobs and the most jobs are
created by small businesses. Reducing regulation and taxes will ensure
the greatest growth of jobs. And the repeal of that ridiculous Sarbanes
Oxley legislation is the first thing that needs to happen.

Right now everyone has their hand out waiting for big daddy government
to give them something. Doesn't anyone have any self respect and pride
anymore.