Per Micheal Artindale:
http://www.mec.ca/Products/product_d...45524442503911
is simmular to the dry tops i am looking at. The dry bottom is not the
farmer john type, it is like a pair of trousers.

Gaskets are at the waist, neck, wrist and ankle openings. I think I have
seen a pair of bottoms that had attatched socks.

Looks to me like something that would keep one reasonably dry as
long as they stayed in the boat.

Come out of the boat, go through the rinse cycle a few times, I'd
bet a weeks pay it's gonna take on water - big time.

I use a one-piece bag suit for lake paddling.

One-piece mixed-mode (neo john bonded to bag top with PolarTec
shirt) for ocean/surf when the water's really cold.

For less-cold water, I use a regular farmer john with a dry top
like the one you linked to.

That combo will keep one dry for the first few moments of
immersion, but in the end it's wet. OTOH, the john is a wet
suit.... i.e. it's designed tb warm with a film of water under
it. The top? Like I said I don't wear it when the water's
really cold.... maybe down to the low fifties; then I go to the
one-piece solutions.
--
PeteCresswell

I've had this drysuit
(http://www.nrsweb.com/shop/product.a...eptid=1174)for 3 seasons
so far. It is the best drysuit I have ever owned. The attached booties
make it easy to get in and out of. It is warm and comfortable, and because
it is breathable, sweat doesn't condense on the inside. I'm a whitewater
boater, so I can't promise it will be as good in the ocean, but it is a
great suit for whitewater and a good value. One of my friends had a two
piece--it took him a while to get in and a while to get out.

--Bob Gramann

"(PeteCresswell)" wrote in message
...
Per Micheal Artindale:
http://www.mec.ca/Products/product_d...45524442503911
is simmular to the dry tops i am looking at. The dry bottom is not the
farmer john type, it is like a pair of trousers.

Gaskets are at the waist, neck, wrist and ankle openings. I think I have
seen a pair of bottoms that had attatched socks.

Looks to me like something that would keep one reasonably dry as
long as they stayed in the boat.

Come out of the boat, go through the rinse cycle a few times, I'd
bet a weeks pay it's gonna take on water - big time.

I use a one-piece bag suit for lake paddling.

One-piece mixed-mode (neo john bonded to bag top with PolarTec
shirt) for ocean/surf when the water's really cold.

For less-cold water, I use a regular farmer john with a dry top
like the one you linked to.

That combo will keep one dry for the first few moments of
immersion, but in the end it's wet. OTOH, the john is a wet
suit.... i.e. it's designed tb warm with a film of water under
it. The top? Like I said I don't wear it when the water's
really cold.... maybe down to the low fifties; then I go to the
one-piece solutions.
--
PeteCresswell

Per Bob Gramann:
I've had this drysuit
(http://www.nrsweb.com/shop/product.a...eptid=1174)for 3 seasons
so far. It is the best drysuit I have ever owned. The attached booties
make it easy to get in and out of. It is warm and comfortable, and because
it is breathable, sweat doesn't condense on the inside. I'm a whitewater
boater, so I can't promise it will be as good in the ocean, but it is a
great suit for whitewater and a good value. One of my friends had a two
piece--it took him a while to get in and a while to get out.

That looks identical to the Kokatat that I use for flat-water
paddling.

There is *nothing* more comfortable or easier to get in/out of.

But for surf, it doesn't work for me. The problem is that the
legs get vacuum bagged when one wipes out and that effect
severely limits motion - especially if the crotch has worked it's
way down a foot or so as it will if the body is cut a little
long. You can wind up in the shore break unable to stand up
until you lay back in the water and wiggle around enough to get
the crotch up where it belongs.

--
PeteCresswell

On Jan 19, 2:45*pm, "(PeteCresswell)" wrote:
Per Bob Gramann:

I've had this drysuit
(http://www.nrsweb.com/shop/product.a...ptid=1174)for3 seasons
so far. *It is the best drysuit I have ever owned. *The attached booties
make it easy to get in and out of. *It is warm and comfortable, and because
it is breathable, sweat doesn't condense on the inside. *I'm a whitewater
boater, so I can't promise it will be as good in the ocean, but it is a
great suit for whitewater and a good value. *One of my friends had a two
piece--it took him a while to get in and a while to get out.

That looks identical to the Kokatat that I use for flat-water
paddling. *

There is *nothing* more comfortable or easier to get in/out of.

But for surf, it doesn't work for me. * The problem is that the
legs get vacuum bagged when one wipes out and that effect
severely limits motion - especially if the crotch has worked it's
way down a foot or so as it will if the body is cut a little
long. * You can wind up in the shore break unable to stand up
until you lay back in the water and wiggle around enough to get
the crotch up where it belongs.

--
PeteCresswell

Silk long johns. a marvel.

I'm 6'2". Having a suit cut "a little long" is never a problem.

--Bob

"(PeteCresswell)" wrote in message
...
Per Bob Gramann:
I've had this drysuit
(http://www.nrsweb.com/shop/product.a...eptid=1174)for 3
seasons
so far. It is the best drysuit I have ever owned. The attached booties
make it easy to get in and out of. It is warm and comfortable, and
because
it is breathable, sweat doesn't condense on the inside. I'm a whitewater
boater, so I can't promise it will be as good in the ocean, but it is a
great suit for whitewater and a good value. One of my friends had a two
piece--it took him a while to get in and a while to get out.

That looks identical to the Kokatat that I use for flat-water
paddling.

There is *nothing* more comfortable or easier to get in/out of.

But for surf, it doesn't work for me. The problem is that the
legs get vacuum bagged when one wipes out and that effect
severely limits motion - especially if the crotch has worked it's
way down a foot or so as it will if the body is cut a little
long. You can wind up in the shore break unable to stand up
until you lay back in the water and wiggle around enough to get
the crotch up where it belongs.

--
PeteCresswell

Per Bob Gramann:
I'm 6'2". Having a suit cut "a little long" is never a problem.

I'm 6'5". Had one made semi-custom and, in my opinion, Kokatat
dropped the ball by mis-locating the waist cinch (which keeps the
bottom half of the suit from dropping too low).

Extra body length is a Good Thing bc it allows one to draw the
knees up to the chest without running out of suit length.

But in a normal posture, something is needed to "keep the pants
up" so-to-speak. That's the waist cinch strap - analogous to a
belt.

Four inches lower, and it would work.

It irked me to pay all that line for a suit, even offer to pay
more to have the waist thing fixed, and have them say "sorry, we
don't do stuff like that."
--
PeteCresswell

(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Bob Gramann:
I'm 6'2". Having a suit cut "a little long" is never a problem.

I'm 6'5". Had one made semi-custom and, in my opinion, Kokatat
dropped the ball by mis-locating the waist cinch (which keeps the
bottom half of the suit from dropping too low).

Extra body length is a Good Thing bc it allows one to draw the
knees up to the chest without running out of suit length.

But in a normal posture, something is needed to "keep the pants
up" so-to-speak. That's the waist cinch strap - analogous to a
belt.

Internal suspenders are another option/feature that some dry suit
manufacturers offer.

Four inches lower, and it would work.

It irked me to pay all that line for a suit, even offer to pay
more to have the waist thing fixed, and have them say "sorry, we
don't do stuff like that."

I get the impression that's because Kokatat doesn't make their own
suits. Their custom orders are sent to an overseas factory, which has
limited capacity to make modifications. They can't even do things as
basic as retrofitting Gore-Tex socks on their suits, you have to send
them to a third party.

I'm 6'2". *Having a suit cut "a little long" is never a problem.

I'm 6'5". * Had one made semi-custom and, in my opinion, Kokatat
dropped the ball by mis-locating the waist cinch (which keeps the
bottom half of the suit from dropping too low). *

I sold Kokatat dry suits....wanted one....so i called them up about a
shortened leg....i have a 28" inseam and the darn extra long legs
SUCK.....
the kokatat person told me that the only changes tehy make is about 2"
on the ankles/wrists...that teh gasket stay in place but the overcuff
gets changed......

too much other work for them....

i turned around and got a Stohlquist BodyPod T that i like better
since they chopped 4" off the legs for me....at the knees then
resealed them....much better fit...and it breaths GREAT!with a more
comfortable neck.....

Isn't it kind of cold for that right now


--
Dymphna
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