Multi-tool.
 

On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 13:16:17 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 07:44:53 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote:

John H wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:20:02 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote:

John H wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:50:29 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 7, 7:44 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message

...





On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:20:50 -0500, John H
wrote:
Once upon a time, when I was about 17, I had a Sears Craftsman
pocketknife. I broke the point off. I took it to the store, showed it to
the salesman, and asked that he replace it. He asked how I broke it.
"I was throwing it at a tree to stick it," I said.
"We can't replace it when you treat it like that," he said.
So I asked him to get the manager, which he did. After hearing both sides
of the story, the manager looked at me and asked, "Are you satisfied with
the knife?"
"No," I said.
The manager looked at the salesman and said, "Give him a new knife."
The salesman was not happy. I was.
Yeah, I've heard before they do sometimes ask questions.
I've used Craftsman for years and never asked for a replacement.
Broke a couple screwdriver blades using them as a prybar, but never
bothered replacing them. Good excuse to get another whole kit.
Tools get lost or stolen more than they break.
--Vic
worst was a lot of years ago. I was in Sears and guy brings in an
adjustable wrench that has obviously lived in the backyard in the dirt for
years. Rusted solid. They replaced it. That was stupid of a company.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Screw the warrantee.... I was on the way to a wedding once. We got a
flat out in the middle of nowhere and went to change it only to break
the 1/2" wratchet at 4pm on a Sunday.. Lot's of good the warrantee did
me, we totally missed the wedding. When I worked on cars, I went with
snap-along.... Not to mention when you have a wrench in your hand
for 8 hours you don't want that square ass Crapsman ****....;)
I don't believe Craftsman tools are any better than any other decent tool.
I've broken several of their sockets. But, they do have the warranty which
keeps me coming back for more.
Most tools have the same warranty, they have just done a great job of
marketing it.

....and, the Snap-On truck is hard to track down when you want a tool!

Just hang out at the local mechanic and wait.

Snap-on man lives a block from here.

Casady

I'd be a broke sumbitch if I had one living a block from my house!

Multi-tool.
 

On Jan 7, 5:02*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 13:01:11 -0500, John H
wrote:





On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:08:00 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:46:28 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

The guy I posted for will be using it to carry on a dirtbike.. no room
for a toolbox, even a small one...

Ya but...
Those multi-tools aren't exactly small either.
When I biked (pedal) I could carry what I needed.
Forgot what your friend wanted - pliers? - but there's
not many sizes to twist on any bike.
Though I don't use them, and I don't like them, a Crescent
wrench is better for cranking nuts than any pair of pliers.
Somebody already wrote about a multi-tool pliers breaking.
I can't imagine breaking a pliers, and I've cranked on a lot of them.
And you need a slip joint in any set of pliers to get a good bite on
more than one size thing.
I'm spitting in the wind here anywhere, because the multi-tool Army is
marching, and I'm just going to get run over. *(-:

--Vic

I think my friend used his Leatherman pliers as a pry bar. It's for damn
sure they didn't break under proper use.

Because he didn't bring the tool box with the prybar. *(-:

The thing is, Leatherman just replaced the tool.

I've seen a guy use a Craftsman 3/4" drive ratchet as a hammer.
Sears would replace it, no questions asked.
But I get your point.

--Vic- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

My uncle had a Craftsman 3/8" ratchet that he'd been abusing since he
got out of the Navy, probably 35 years old or so at the time, and it
finally broke. Replaced it with no problem.

Multi-tool.
 

Richard Casady wrote:
On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 07:44:53 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote:

John H wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:20:02 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote:

John H wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:50:29 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 7, 7:44 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message

...





On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:20:50 -0500, John H
wrote:
Once upon a time, when I was about 17, I had a Sears Craftsman
pocketknife. I broke the point off. I took it to the store, showed it to
the salesman, and asked that he replace it. He asked how I broke it.
"I was throwing it at a tree to stick it," I said.
"We can't replace it when you treat it like that," he said.
So I asked him to get the manager, which he did. After hearing both sides
of the story, the manager looked at me and asked, "Are you satisfied with
the knife?"
"No," I said.
The manager looked at the salesman and said, "Give him a new knife."
The salesman was not happy. I was.
Yeah, I've heard before they do sometimes ask questions.
I've used Craftsman for years and never asked for a replacement.
Broke a couple screwdriver blades using them as a prybar, but never
bothered replacing them. Good excuse to get another whole kit.
Tools get lost or stolen more than they break.
--Vic
worst was a lot of years ago. I was in Sears and guy brings in an
adjustable wrench that has obviously lived in the backyard in the dirt for
years. Rusted solid. They replaced it. That was stupid of a company.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Screw the warrantee.... I was on the way to a wedding once. We got a
flat out in the middle of nowhere and went to change it only to break
the 1/2" wratchet at 4pm on a Sunday.. Lot's of good the warrantee did
me, we totally missed the wedding. When I worked on cars, I went with
snap-along.... Not to mention when you have a wrench in your hand
for 8 hours you don't want that square ass Crapsman ****....;)
I don't believe Craftsman tools are any better than any other decent tool.
I've broken several of their sockets. But, they do have the warranty which
keeps me coming back for more.
Most tools have the same warranty, they have just done a great job of
marketing it.
....and, the Snap-On truck is hard to track down when you want a tool!
Just hang out at the local mechanic and wait.

Snap-on man lives a block from here.

Casady

Well there is the answer. JohnH, go visit Casady.

Multi-tool.
 

On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 08:50:02 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote:

Richard Casady wrote:
On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 07:44:53 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote:

John H wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:20:02 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote:

John H wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:50:29 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 7, 7:44 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message

...





On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:20:50 -0500, John H
wrote:
Once upon a time, when I was about 17, I had a Sears Craftsman
pocketknife. I broke the point off. I took it to the store, showed it to
the salesman, and asked that he replace it. He asked how I broke it.
"I was throwing it at a tree to stick it," I said.
"We can't replace it when you treat it like that," he said.
So I asked him to get the manager, which he did. After hearing both sides
of the story, the manager looked at me and asked, "Are you satisfied with
the knife?"
"No," I said.
The manager looked at the salesman and said, "Give him a new knife."
The salesman was not happy. I was.
Yeah, I've heard before they do sometimes ask questions.
I've used Craftsman for years and never asked for a replacement.
Broke a couple screwdriver blades using them as a prybar, but never
bothered replacing them. Good excuse to get another whole kit.
Tools get lost or stolen more than they break.
--Vic
worst was a lot of years ago. I was in Sears and guy brings in an
adjustable wrench that has obviously lived in the backyard in the dirt for
years. Rusted solid. They replaced it. That was stupid of a company.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Screw the warrantee.... I was on the way to a wedding once. We got a
flat out in the middle of nowhere and went to change it only to break
the 1/2" wratchet at 4pm on a Sunday.. Lot's of good the warrantee did
me, we totally missed the wedding. When I worked on cars, I went with
snap-along.... Not to mention when you have a wrench in your hand
for 8 hours you don't want that square ass Crapsman ****....;)
I don't believe Craftsman tools are any better than any other decent tool.
I've broken several of their sockets. But, they do have the warranty which
keeps me coming back for more.
Most tools have the same warranty, they have just done a great job of
marketing it.
....and, the Snap-On truck is hard to track down when you want a tool!
Just hang out at the local mechanic and wait.

Snap-on man lives a block from here.

Casady

Well there is the answer. JohnH, go visit Casady.

I would, but I don't have time. As soon as the frost delay is over at the
golf course, I'm gone, unless the wind keeps picking up.

Multi-tool.
 

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 07:02:14 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote:

wrote:
On Jan 7, 8:44 pm, John H wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:50:29 -0800 (PST),
- Show quoted text -
Well, as someone who made my living with hand tools, I can honestly
say I think quite the opposite.. Crapsman tools have failed me more
than any other tool, they are crap in my opinion, warrantee or not..
Like I said, the warrantee doesn't cover the busted knuckle when one
of their cheap wrenches snaps, or pay for the lost time when one ****s
the bed...

Snapalong, and Porter Cable are my preference...I will never buy
another Craftsman gas or electric power tool again either, cheap ass
plastic junk...
Craftsman is made for the average home repairman, doing simple home
repairs who really do not stress out a tool. They are not designed for
a pro. Most homeowners don't want to pay for Snap-a-long,

It's not Snapalong or Snap-a-long - It's Snapon.

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/catalog.asp?tool=hand

Mac, or other
Pro Brands. Sears tools are substantially less expensive than the Pro
Tools. The pros buy expensive quality tools, because they can not afford
to stop working so they can exchange a wrench that broke.

While Sears makes a decent product for homeowner quality tools, they can
charge more, because Sears has successful convinced many homeowners that
their life time warranty is unique.

I have found that Home Depot's Husky and Lowe's Kobolt tools to be the
equal of Mac and Snapon - and that's speaking as somebody who owns
Snapon tools. The higher end tool boxes are the equal of Snapon also.

And you can get Snapon tools at a fairly inexpensive price if you know
a Snapon franchise operator - they repossess tools on a regular basis
and you can get them for the money owed. That's how I got my set of
auto tools - paid about 1/3 of the new price and the tools were hardly
used.

--


I kept my father's chest of snap-on tools when I shut down the boatyard.
The flat and socket wrenches are first-rate, but the snap-on
screwdrivers from that era didn't impress me. He also had a set of
absolutely top drawer German-made wood handled screwdrivers that were
much much better.

Multi-tool.
 

On Jan 8, 3:04*pm, hk wrote:
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:





On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 07:02:14 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote:

wrote:
On Jan 7, 8:44 pm, John H wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:50:29 -0800 (PST),
- Show quoted text -
Well, as someone who made my living with hand tools, I can honestly
say I think quite the opposite.. Crapsman tools have failed me more
than any other tool, they are crap in my opinion, warrantee or not..
Like I said, the warrantee doesn't cover the busted knuckle when one
of their cheap wrenches snaps, or pay for the lost time when one ****s
the bed...

Snapalong, and Porter Cable are my preference...I will never buy
another Craftsman gas or electric power tool again either, cheap ass
plastic junk...
Craftsman is made for the average home repairman, doing simple home
repairs who really do not stress out a tool. *They are not designed for
a pro. *Most homeowners don't want to pay for Snap-a-long,

It's not Snapalong or Snap-a-long - It's Snapon.

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/catalog.asp?tool=hand

Mac, or other
Pro Brands. *Sears tools are substantially less expensive than the Pro
Tools. The pros buy expensive quality tools, because they can not afford
to stop working so they can exchange a wrench that broke.

While Sears makes a decent product for homeowner quality tools, they can
charge more, because Sears has successful convinced many homeowners that
their life time warranty is unique.

I have found that Home Depot's Husky and Lowe's Kobolt tools to be the
equal of Mac and Snapon - and that's speaking as somebody who owns
Snapon tools. *The higher end tool boxes are the equal of Snapon also..

And you can get Snapon tools at a fairly inexpensive price if you know
a Snapon franchise operator - they repossess tools on a regular basis
and you can get them for the money owed. *That's how I got my set of
auto tools - paid about 1/3 of the new price and the tools were hardly
used.

--

I kept my father's chest of snap-on tools when I shut down the boatyard.
The flat and socket wrenches are first-rate, but the snap-on
screwdrivers from that era didn't impress me. He also had a set of
absolutely top drawer German-made wood handled screwdrivers that were
much much better.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah, we believe you.........

Multi-tool.
 

On Jan 8, 7:34*am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 07:02:14 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."





wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 7, 8:44 pm, John H wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:50:29 -0800 (PST),

- Show quoted text -

Well, as someone who made my living with hand tools, I can honestly
say I think quite the opposite.. Crapsman tools have failed me more
than any other tool, they are crap in my opinion, warrantee or not..
Like I said, the warrantee doesn't cover the busted knuckle when one
of their cheap wrenches snaps, or pay for the lost time when one ****s
the bed...

Snapalong, and Porter Cable are my preference...I will never buy
another Craftsman gas or electric power tool again either, cheap ass
plastic junk...

Craftsman is made for the average home repairman, doing simple home
repairs who really do not stress out a tool. *They are not designed for
a pro. *Most homeowners don't want to pay for Snap-a-long,

It's not Snapalong or Snap-a-long - It's Snapon.

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/catalog.asp?tool=hand

Mac, or other

Pro Brands. *Sears tools are substantially less expensive than the Pro
Tools. The pros buy expensive quality tools, because they can not afford
to stop working so they can exchange a wrench that broke.

While Sears makes a decent product for homeowner quality tools, they can
charge more, because Sears has successful convinced many homeowners that
their life time warranty is unique.

I have found that Home Depot's Husky and Lowe's Kobolt tools to be the
equal of Mac and Snapon - and that's speaking as somebody who owns
Snapon tools. *The higher end tool boxes are the equal of Snapon also.

And you can get Snapon tools at a fairly inexpensive price if you know
a Snapon franchise operator - they repossess tools on a regular basis
and you can get them for the money owed. *That's how I got my set of
auto tools - paid about 1/3 of the new price and the tools were hardly
used.

--

Honesty is the best policy, but insanity
is a better defense.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yep, I have a complete set of Husky 1/4", 3/8", and 1/2" sockets, the
black lazer etched ones, that are great tools. I also have there 11
drawer bottom tool box, 3 drawer intermediate, and 8 drawer top box,
ball bearing glides, etc.

Multi-tool.
 

On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 07:34:58 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 07:02:14 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote:

wrote:
On Jan 7, 8:44 pm, John H wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:50:29 -0800 (PST),

- Show quoted text -

Well, as someone who made my living with hand tools, I can honestly
say I think quite the opposite.. Crapsman tools have failed me more
than any other tool, they are crap in my opinion, warrantee or not..
Like I said, the warrantee doesn't cover the busted knuckle when one
of their cheap wrenches snaps, or pay for the lost time when one ****s
the bed...

Snapalong, and Porter Cable are my preference...I will never buy
another Craftsman gas or electric power tool again either, cheap ass
plastic junk...

Craftsman is made for the average home repairman, doing simple home
repairs who really do not stress out a tool. They are not designed for
a pro. Most homeowners don't want to pay for Snap-a-long,

It's not Snapalong or Snap-a-long - It's Snapon.

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/catalog.asp?tool=hand

Mac, or other
Pro Brands. Sears tools are substantially less expensive than the Pro
Tools. The pros buy expensive quality tools, because they can not afford
to stop working so they can exchange a wrench that broke.

While Sears makes a decent product for homeowner quality tools, they can
charge more, because Sears has successful convinced many homeowners that
their life time warranty is unique.

I have found that Home Depot's Husky and Lowe's Kobolt tools to be the
equal of Mac and Snapon - and that's speaking as somebody who owns
Snapon tools. The higher end tool boxes are the equal of Snapon also.

And you can get Snapon tools at a fairly inexpensive price if you know
a Snapon franchise operator - they repossess tools on a regular basis
and you can get them for the money owed. That's how I got my set of
auto tools - paid about 1/3 of the new price and the tools were hardly
used.

I've found that if I don't use a hammer to beat on the end of the ratchet,
the Sears sockets last a lot longer.

I don't suffer from insanity; I enjoy every minute of it.

Multi-tool.
 

On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:12:54 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 8, 7:34*am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 07:02:14 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."





wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 7, 8:44 pm, John H wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:50:29 -0800 (PST),

- Show quoted text -

Well, as someone who made my living with hand tools, I can honestly
say I think quite the opposite.. Crapsman tools have failed me more
than any other tool, they are crap in my opinion, warrantee or not..
Like I said, the warrantee doesn't cover the busted knuckle when one
of their cheap wrenches snaps, or pay for the lost time when one ****s
the bed...

Snapalong, and Porter Cable are my preference...I will never buy
another Craftsman gas or electric power tool again either, cheap ass
plastic junk...

Craftsman is made for the average home repairman, doing simple home
repairs who really do not stress out a tool. *They are not designed for
a pro. *Most homeowners don't want to pay for Snap-a-long,

It's not Snapalong or Snap-a-long - It's Snapon.

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/catalog.asp?tool=hand

Mac, or other

Pro Brands. *Sears tools are substantially less expensive than the Pro
Tools. The pros buy expensive quality tools, because they can not afford
to stop working so they can exchange a wrench that broke.

While Sears makes a decent product for homeowner quality tools, they can
charge more, because Sears has successful convinced many homeowners that
their life time warranty is unique.

I have found that Home Depot's Husky and Lowe's Kobolt tools to be the
equal of Mac and Snapon - and that's speaking as somebody who owns
Snapon tools. *The higher end tool boxes are the equal of Snapon also.

And you can get Snapon tools at a fairly inexpensive price if you know
a Snapon franchise operator - they repossess tools on a regular basis
and you can get them for the money owed. *That's how I got my set of
auto tools - paid about 1/3 of the new price and the tools were hardly
used.

Yep, I have a complete set of Husky 1/4", 3/8", and 1/2" sockets, the
black lazer etched ones, that are great tools. I also have there 11
drawer bottom tool box, 3 drawer intermediate, and 8 drawer top box,
ball bearing glides, etc.

I gave each of the boys a set of Husky ratchets, socket and wrench
sets when they graduated from high school. Then I discovered Kobolt
tools at Lowe's so their boxes have a mixture of Husky and Kobolt hand
tools now.

The only thing I don't like about the Husky brand screwdrivers is that
they seem a little cheap to me. I have Klien hand screwdrivers and
cutters - things never wear out it seems - the cutters, not the
screwdrivers.

--

Alcohol & calculus don't mix. Never drink & derive.

Multi-tool.
 

"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:12:54 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 8, 7:34 am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 07:02:14 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."





wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 7, 8:44 pm, John H wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:50:29 -0800 (PST),


- Show quoted text -

Well, as someone who made my living with hand tools, I can honestly
say I think quite the opposite.. Crapsman tools have failed me more
than any other tool, they are crap in my opinion, warrantee or not..
Like I said, the warrantee doesn't cover the busted knuckle when one
of their cheap wrenches snaps, or pay for the lost time when one
****s
the bed...

Snapalong, and Porter Cable are my preference...I will never buy
another Craftsman gas or electric power tool again either, cheap ass
plastic junk...

Craftsman is made for the average home repairman, doing simple home
repairs who really do not stress out a tool. They are not designed for
a pro. Most homeowners don't want to pay for Snap-a-long,

It's not Snapalong or Snap-a-long - It's Snapon.

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/catalog.asp?tool=hand

Mac, or other

Pro Brands. Sears tools are substantially less expensive than the Pro
Tools. The pros buy expensive quality tools, because they can not
afford
to stop working so they can exchange a wrench that broke.

While Sears makes a decent product for homeowner quality tools, they
can
charge more, because Sears has successful convinced many homeowners
that
their life time warranty is unique.

I have found that Home Depot's Husky and Lowe's Kobolt tools to be the
equal of Mac and Snapon - and that's speaking as somebody who owns
Snapon tools. The higher end tool boxes are the equal of Snapon also.

And you can get Snapon tools at a fairly inexpensive price if you know
a Snapon franchise operator - they repossess tools on a regular basis
and you can get them for the money owed. That's how I got my set of
auto tools - paid about 1/3 of the new price and the tools were hardly
used.

Yep, I have a complete set of Husky 1/4", 3/8", and 1/2" sockets, the
black lazer etched ones, that are great tools. I also have there 11
drawer bottom tool box, 3 drawer intermediate, and 8 drawer top box,
ball bearing glides, etc.

I gave each of the boys a set of Husky ratchets, socket and wrench
sets when they graduated from high school. Then I discovered Kobolt
tools at Lowe's so their boxes have a mixture of Husky and Kobolt hand
tools now.

The only thing I don't like about the Husky brand screwdrivers is that
they seem a little cheap to me. I have Klien hand screwdrivers and
cutters - things never wear out it seems - the cutters, not the
screwdrivers.

--

Alcohol & calculus don't mix. Never drink & derive.

One Christmas a couple years ago, I found a sale on Mastercraft screwdrivers
from Canadian Tire at 60% off. I can't walk past a deal like that so I
bought them for my #2 son.
Now he delights in telling anyone who'll listen that I gave him a bag of
screwdrivers for Christmas that year.