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On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:24:17 -0400, "Don White" wrote: One Christmas a couple years ago, I found a sale on Mastercraft screwdrivers from Canadian Tire at 60% off. I can't walk past a deal like that so I bought them for my #2 son. Now he delights in telling anyone who'll listen that I gave him a bag of screwdrivers for Christmas that year. LOL!! -- When I want your opinion, I'll beat it out of you |
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On Jan 8, 7:34*am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote: On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 07:02:14 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote: wrote: On Jan 7, 8:44 pm, John H wrote: On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:50:29 -0800 (PST), - Show quoted text - Well, as someone who made my living with hand tools, I can honestly say I think quite the opposite.. Crapsman tools have failed me more than any other tool, they are crap in my opinion, warrantee or not.. Like I said, the warrantee doesn't cover the busted knuckle when one of their cheap wrenches snaps, or pay for the lost time when one ****s the bed... Snapalong, and Porter Cable are my preference...I will never buy another Craftsman gas or electric power tool again either, cheap ass plastic junk... Craftsman is made for the average home repairman, doing simple home repairs who really do not stress out a tool. *They are not designed for a pro. *Most homeowners don't want to pay for Snap-a-long, It's not Snapalong or Snap-a-long - It's Snapon. http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/catalog.asp?tool=hand Mac, or other Pro Brands. *Sears tools are substantially less expensive than the Pro Tools. The pros buy expensive quality tools, because they can not afford to stop working so they can exchange a wrench that broke. While Sears makes a decent product for homeowner quality tools, they can charge more, because Sears has successful convinced many homeowners that their life time warranty is unique. I have found that Home Depot's Husky and Lowe's Kobolt tools to be the equal of Mac and Snapon - and that's speaking as somebody who owns Snapon tools. *The higher end tool boxes are the equal of Snapon also. And you can get Snapon tools at a fairly inexpensive price if you know a Snapon franchise operator - they repossess tools on a regular basis and you can get them for the money owed. *That's how I got my set of auto tools - paid about 1/3 of the new price and the tools were hardly used. -- Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Think ergonomics, and think of holding that wrench for 8 hours a day.. Mac however smoothed it's edges 20 years ago so they are not so bad... |
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On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 15:16:27 -0500, John H
wrote: I've found that if I don't use a hammer to beat on the end of the ratchet, the Sears sockets last a lot longer. Craftsmen hand tools are just fine. I was a machine repairman and most of us used them. Used them for years doing a lot of auto work too. My brother was and one of my kids is an automotive mechanic and they used them. I *never* broke a Craftsman wrench/ratchet/socket, and I've banged and put pipes on them. But....any wrench can break after enough hard use. There's a metal fatigue factor involved Some guys insist on Snap-on or Matco or Mac. Don't mean anything. Many pro mechs use whatever decent wrench/socket, and pick up some of the Snap-on "special" tools. I just talked to my kid to verify what I'm saying. I was surprised when he told me how many wrenches break at his shop, which does mostly heavy truck suspensions. Apparently after hanging on a wrench and or beating it enough it'll give up the ghost and snap. All of them. He says his guys use all kinds of tools - whatever works, but nobody is a Snap-on freak. He's got a $350 Snap-on air chisel because he says it's damn good, but he gets a lot of his bigger wrenches and impact sockets at Harbor Freight - Pittsburgh brand - because they don't spread and they're about 20% the cost of Snap-on. Made in China. He's got a 3' Snap-on pry bar he paid $100 for, and is still ****ed at the price, but he needed it quick and the guy was there. The Snap-on sales guys get a lot of static from some mechs, ala "What the ****? You want WHAT for that?" or "What do you mean it ain't covered?" In my son's experience they are not popular guys. Same with his last shop. They don't always want to honor replacement warrantee. They like the Matco practices better. I didn't get a feel for the Mac tools, but some of the guys have them too. When the Mac guy started making the rounds at the kids's shop after some halt in servicing them - didn't get why that happened - he was replacing broken wrenches and sockets a few trips before he got any sales. What's my point? My one year's packaging machine mechanic experience has nothing to do with full-time automotive or other mechanical work. Though I've done a lot of automotive work, and never broke a Craftsman wrench, the full-time mechanics break all brands of wrenches. My son, and the guys at two of the shops my son has worked at don't care who makes the tool, but that it works. They end up with a lot of Snap-on, Matco, and Mac because the sales guys show up at the shops bringing the candy store. I'll stick with Craftsman hand tools because they've worked fine for me. But I've got some other sets too. Think I've been pleased enough with a DK socket set somebody gave me. I've made a "Don't get all anal about hand tool brand" vow. Just talking hand tools here, and what my son tells me. Never found anything especially good about Craftsman power tools, though I have some. --Vic |
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On Jan 8, 5:32*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 15:16:27 -0500, John H wrote: I've found that if I don't use a hammer to beat on the end of the ratchet, the Sears sockets last a lot longer. Craftsmen hand tools are just fine. *I was a machine repairman and most of us used them. *Used them for years doing a lot of auto work too. *My brother was and one of my kids is an automotive mechanic and they used them. *I *never* broke a Craftsman wrench/ratchet/socket, and I've banged and put pipes on them. But....any wrench can break after enough hard use. *There's a metal fatigue factor involved Some guys insist on Snap-on or Matco or Mac. *Don't mean anything. Many pro mechs use whatever decent wrench/socket, and pick up some of the Snap-on "special" tools. I just talked to my kid to verify what I'm saying. *I was surprised when he told me how many wrenches break at his shop, which does mostly heavy truck suspensions. Apparently after hanging on a wrench and or beating it enough it'll give up the ghost and snap. *All of them. He says his guys use all kinds of tools - whatever works, but nobody is a Snap-on freak. *He's got a $350 Snap-on air chisel because he says it's damn good, but he gets a lot of his bigger wrenches and impact sockets at Harbor Freight - Pittsburgh brand - because they don't spread and they're about 20% the cost of Snap-on. Made in China. He's got a 3' Snap-on pry bar he paid $100 for, and is still ****ed at the price, but he needed it quick and the guy was there. The Snap-on sales guys get a lot of static from some mechs, ala "What the ****? *You want WHAT for that?" or "What do you mean it ain't covered?" *In my son's experience they are not popular guys. Same with his last shop. They don't always want to honor replacement warrantee. They like the Matco practices better. *I didn't get a feel for the Mac tools, but some of the guys have them too. *When the Mac guy started making the rounds at the kids's shop after some halt in servicing them - didn't get why that happened - he was replacing broken wrenches and sockets a few trips before he got any sales. What's my point? My one year's packaging machine mechanic experience has nothing to do with full-time automotive or other mechanical work. Though I've done a lot of automotive work, and never broke a Craftsman wrench, the full-time mechanics break all brands of wrenches. My son, and the guys at two of the shops my son has worked at don't care who makes the tool, but that it works. They end up with a lot of Snap-on, Matco, and Mac because the sales guys show up at the shops bringing the candy store. I'll stick with Craftsman hand tools because they've worked fine for me. *But I've got some other sets too. *Think I've been pleased enough with a DK socket set somebody gave me. * I've made a "Don't get all anal about hand tool brand" vow. Just talking hand tools here, and what my son tells me. Never found anything especially good about Craftsman power tools, though I have some. --Vic Sounds reasonable to me, but I have been out of the biz for nearly 20 years... |
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Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 07:02:14 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote: wrote: On Jan 7, 8:44 pm, John H wrote: On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:50:29 -0800 (PST), - Show quoted text - Well, as someone who made my living with hand tools, I can honestly say I think quite the opposite.. Crapsman tools have failed me more than any other tool, they are crap in my opinion, warrantee or not.. Like I said, the warrantee doesn't cover the busted knuckle when one of their cheap wrenches snaps, or pay for the lost time when one ****s the bed... Snapalong, and Porter Cable are my preference...I will never buy another Craftsman gas or electric power tool again either, cheap ass plastic junk... Craftsman is made for the average home repairman, doing simple home repairs who really do not stress out a tool. They are not designed for a pro. Most homeowners don't want to pay for Snap-a-long, It's not Snapalong or Snap-a-long - It's Snapon. http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/catalog.asp?tool=hand Mac, or other Pro Brands. Sears tools are substantially less expensive than the Pro Tools. The pros buy expensive quality tools, because they can not afford to stop working so they can exchange a wrench that broke. While Sears makes a decent product for homeowner quality tools, they can charge more, because Sears has successful convinced many homeowners that their life time warranty is unique. I have found that Home Depot's Husky and Lowe's Kobolt tools to be the equal of Mac and Snapon - and that's speaking as somebody who owns Snapon tools. The higher end tool boxes are the equal of Snapon also. And you can get Snapon tools at a fairly inexpensive price if you know a Snapon franchise operator - they repossess tools on a regular basis and you can get them for the money owed. That's how I got my set of auto tools - paid about 1/3 of the new price and the tools were hardly used. -- Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense. Offered without comment. "SNAP-ON" ---snerk--- |
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John H wrote:
On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 07:34:58 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 07:02:14 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote: wrote: On Jan 7, 8:44 pm, John H wrote: On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:50:29 -0800 (PST), - Show quoted text - Well, as someone who made my living with hand tools, I can honestly say I think quite the opposite.. Crapsman tools have failed me more than any other tool, they are crap in my opinion, warrantee or not.. Like I said, the warrantee doesn't cover the busted knuckle when one of their cheap wrenches snaps, or pay for the lost time when one ****s the bed... Snapalong, and Porter Cable are my preference...I will never buy another Craftsman gas or electric power tool again either, cheap ass plastic junk... Craftsman is made for the average home repairman, doing simple home repairs who really do not stress out a tool. They are not designed for a pro. Most homeowners don't want to pay for Snap-a-long, It's not Snapalong or Snap-a-long - It's Snapon. http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/catalog.asp?tool=hand Mac, or other Pro Brands. Sears tools are substantially less expensive than the Pro Tools. The pros buy expensive quality tools, because they can not afford to stop working so they can exchange a wrench that broke. While Sears makes a decent product for homeowner quality tools, they can charge more, because Sears has successful convinced many homeowners that their life time warranty is unique. I have found that Home Depot's Husky and Lowe's Kobolt tools to be the equal of Mac and Snapon - and that's speaking as somebody who owns Snapon tools. The higher end tool boxes are the equal of Snapon also. And you can get Snapon tools at a fairly inexpensive price if you know a Snapon franchise operator - they repossess tools on a regular basis and you can get them for the money owed. That's how I got my set of auto tools - paid about 1/3 of the new price and the tools were hardly used. I've found that if I don't use a hammer to beat on the end of the ratchet, the Sears sockets last a lot longer. I don't suffer from insanity; I enjoy every minute of it. You have no finesse. You don't hammer on a ratchet when a 2 foot pipe over the end of the handle will get the job done nicely and leave no abuse marks on the tool. |
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On Jan 8, 6:26*pm, Jim wrote:
wrote: On Jan 8, 7:34 am, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 07:02:14 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote: wrote: On Jan 7, 8:44 pm, John H wrote: On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:50:29 -0800 (PST), - Show quoted text - Well, as someone who made my living with hand tools, I can honestly say I think quite the opposite.. Crapsman tools have failed me more than any other tool, they are crap in my opinion, warrantee or not.. Like I said, the warrantee doesn't cover the busted knuckle when one of their cheap wrenches snaps, or pay for the lost time when one ****s the bed... Snapalong, and Porter Cable are my preference...I will never buy another Craftsman gas or electric power tool again either, cheap ass plastic junk... Craftsman is made for the average home repairman, doing simple home repairs who really do not stress out a tool. *They are not designed for a pro. *Most homeowners don't want to pay for Snap-a-long, It's not Snapalong or Snap-a-long - It's Snapon. http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/catalog.asp?tool=hand Mac, or other Pro Brands. *Sears tools are substantially less expensive than the Pro Tools. The pros buy expensive quality tools, because they can not afford to stop working so they can exchange a wrench that broke. While Sears makes a decent product for homeowner quality tools, they can charge more, because Sears has successful convinced many homeowners that their life time warranty is unique. I have found that Home Depot's Husky and Lowe's Kobolt tools to be the equal of Mac and Snapon - and that's speaking as somebody who owns Snapon tools. *The higher end tool boxes are the equal of Snapon also. And you can get Snapon tools at a fairly inexpensive price if you know a Snapon franchise operator - they repossess tools on a regular basis and you can get them for the money owed. *That's how I got my set of auto tools - paid about 1/3 of the new price and the tools were hardly used. -- Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Think ergonomics, and think of holding that wrench for 8 hours a day.. Mac however smoothed it's edges 20 years ago so they are not so bad... Holding a wrench for 8 hours a day? In a GM factory, maybe.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yup, Chevy dealership... ;) Maybe not the same wrench, but you probably got the idea... |
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On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:22:08 -0500, Jim wrote:
John H wrote: On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 07:34:58 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 07:02:14 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote: wrote: On Jan 7, 8:44 pm, John H wrote: On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:50:29 -0800 (PST), - Show quoted text - Well, as someone who made my living with hand tools, I can honestly say I think quite the opposite.. Crapsman tools have failed me more than any other tool, they are crap in my opinion, warrantee or not.. Like I said, the warrantee doesn't cover the busted knuckle when one of their cheap wrenches snaps, or pay for the lost time when one ****s the bed... Snapalong, and Porter Cable are my preference...I will never buy another Craftsman gas or electric power tool again either, cheap ass plastic junk... Craftsman is made for the average home repairman, doing simple home repairs who really do not stress out a tool. They are not designed for a pro. Most homeowners don't want to pay for Snap-a-long, It's not Snapalong or Snap-a-long - It's Snapon. http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/catalog.asp?tool=hand Mac, or other Pro Brands. Sears tools are substantially less expensive than the Pro Tools. The pros buy expensive quality tools, because they can not afford to stop working so they can exchange a wrench that broke. While Sears makes a decent product for homeowner quality tools, they can charge more, because Sears has successful convinced many homeowners that their life time warranty is unique. I have found that Home Depot's Husky and Lowe's Kobolt tools to be the equal of Mac and Snapon - and that's speaking as somebody who owns Snapon tools. The higher end tool boxes are the equal of Snapon also. And you can get Snapon tools at a fairly inexpensive price if you know a Snapon franchise operator - they repossess tools on a regular basis and you can get them for the money owed. That's how I got my set of auto tools - paid about 1/3 of the new price and the tools were hardly used. I've found that if I don't use a hammer to beat on the end of the ratchet, the Sears sockets last a lot longer. I don't suffer from insanity; I enjoy every minute of it. You have no finesse. You don't hammer on a ratchet when a 2 foot pipe over the end of the handle will get the job done nicely and leave no abuse marks on the tool. Sometimes you just don't have the right tool. |
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Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:24:17 -0400, "Don White" wrote: One Christmas a couple years ago, I found a sale on Mastercraft screwdrivers from Canadian Tire at 60% off. I can't walk past a deal like that so I bought them for my #2 son. Now he delights in telling anyone who'll listen that I gave him a bag of screwdrivers for Christmas that year. LOL!! -- When I want your opinion, I'll beat it out of you I like your style. Welcome! |
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"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message ... On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:12:54 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 8, 7:34 am, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 07:02:14 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote: wrote: On Jan 7, 8:44 pm, John H wrote: On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:50:29 -0800 (PST), - Show quoted text - Well, as someone who made my living with hand tools, I can honestly say I think quite the opposite.. Crapsman tools have failed me more than any other tool, they are crap in my opinion, warrantee or not.. Like I said, the warrantee doesn't cover the busted knuckle when one of their cheap wrenches snaps, or pay for the lost time when one ****s the bed... Snapalong, and Porter Cable are my preference...I will never buy another Craftsman gas or electric power tool again either, cheap ass plastic junk... Craftsman is made for the average home repairman, doing simple home repairs who really do not stress out a tool. They are not designed for a pro. Most homeowners don't want to pay for Snap-a-long, It's not Snapalong or Snap-a-long - It's Snapon. http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/catalog.asp?tool=hand Mac, or other Pro Brands. Sears tools are substantially less expensive than the Pro Tools. The pros buy expensive quality tools, because they can not afford to stop working so they can exchange a wrench that broke. While Sears makes a decent product for homeowner quality tools, they can charge more, because Sears has successful convinced many homeowners that their life time warranty is unique. I have found that Home Depot's Husky and Lowe's Kobolt tools to be the equal of Mac and Snapon - and that's speaking as somebody who owns Snapon tools. The higher end tool boxes are the equal of Snapon also. And you can get Snapon tools at a fairly inexpensive price if you know a Snapon franchise operator - they repossess tools on a regular basis and you can get them for the money owed. That's how I got my set of auto tools - paid about 1/3 of the new price and the tools were hardly used. Yep, I have a complete set of Husky 1/4", 3/8", and 1/2" sockets, the black lazer etched ones, that are great tools. I also have there 11 drawer bottom tool box, 3 drawer intermediate, and 8 drawer top box, ball bearing glides, etc. I gave each of the boys a set of Husky ratchets, socket and wrench sets when they graduated from high school. Then I discovered Kobolt tools at Lowe's so their boxes have a mixture of Husky and Kobolt hand tools now. The only thing I don't like about the Husky brand screwdrivers is that they seem a little cheap to me. I have Klien hand screwdrivers and cutters - things never wear out it seems - the cutters, not the screwdrivers. -- Alcohol & calculus don't mix. Never drink & derive. Sent both my girls off to college with a "Do it herself" toolkit. Hammer, screw drivers, tape measure, pliers, etc in a nice case. Both used them a lot in school for projects and younger daughter had boys come by to borrow the use of tools. Was happy I taught them about hand tools as part of their upbringing. Younger one still has the case and most of the tools and still uses them for household repairs. I buy the cheaper set of tools at Kragen autoparts for storage on the boat. Then just toss the tool when gets broke or rusty or worn. Garage has a mixture of great, good and mediocre tools collected over 55 years. |
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"Jim" wrote in message ... Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 07:02:14 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote: wrote: On Jan 7, 8:44 pm, John H wrote: On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:50:29 -0800 (PST), - Show quoted text - Well, as someone who made my living with hand tools, I can honestly say I think quite the opposite.. Crapsman tools have failed me more than any other tool, they are crap in my opinion, warrantee or not.. Like I said, the warrantee doesn't cover the busted knuckle when one of their cheap wrenches snaps, or pay for the lost time when one ****s the bed... Snapalong, and Porter Cable are my preference...I will never buy another Craftsman gas or electric power tool again either, cheap ass plastic junk... Craftsman is made for the average home repairman, doing simple home repairs who really do not stress out a tool. They are not designed for a pro. Most homeowners don't want to pay for Snap-a-long, It's not Snapalong or Snap-a-long - It's Snapon. http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/catalog.asp?tool=hand Mac, or other Pro Brands. Sears tools are substantially less expensive than the Pro Tools. The pros buy expensive quality tools, because they can not afford to stop working so they can exchange a wrench that broke. While Sears makes a decent product for homeowner quality tools, they can charge more, because Sears has successful convinced many homeowners that their life time warranty is unique. I have found that Home Depot's Husky and Lowe's Kobolt tools to be the equal of Mac and Snapon - and that's speaking as somebody who owns Snapon tools. The higher end tool boxes are the equal of Snapon also. And you can get Snapon tools at a fairly inexpensive price if you know a Snapon franchise operator - they repossess tools on a regular basis and you can get them for the money owed. That's how I got my set of auto tools - paid about 1/3 of the new price and the tools were hardly used. -- Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense. Offered without comment. "SNAP-ON" ---snerk--- Snap-on, snap-off. The switch of tools. |
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On Jan 8, 3:44*pm, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:12:54 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 8, 7:34*am, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 07:02:14 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote: wrote: On Jan 7, 8:44 pm, John H wrote: On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:50:29 -0800 (PST), - Show quoted text - Well, as someone who made my living with hand tools, I can honestly say I think quite the opposite.. Crapsman tools have failed me more than any other tool, they are crap in my opinion, warrantee or not... Like I said, the warrantee doesn't cover the busted knuckle when one of their cheap wrenches snaps, or pay for the lost time when one ****s the bed... Snapalong, and Porter Cable are my preference...I will never buy another Craftsman gas or electric power tool again either, cheap ass plastic junk... Craftsman is made for the average home repairman, doing simple home repairs who really do not stress out a tool. *They are not designed for a pro. *Most homeowners don't want to pay for Snap-a-long, It's not Snapalong or Snap-a-long - It's Snapon. http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/catalog.asp?tool=hand Mac, or other Pro Brands. *Sears tools are substantially less expensive than the Pro Tools. The pros buy expensive quality tools, because they can not afford to stop working so they can exchange a wrench that broke. While Sears makes a decent product for homeowner quality tools, they can charge more, because Sears has successful convinced many homeowners that their life time warranty is unique. I have found that Home Depot's Husky and Lowe's Kobolt tools to be the equal of Mac and Snapon - and that's speaking as somebody who owns Snapon tools. *The higher end tool boxes are the equal of Snapon also. And you can get Snapon tools at a fairly inexpensive price if you know a Snapon franchise operator - they repossess tools on a regular basis and you can get them for the money owed. *That's how I got my set of auto tools - paid about 1/3 of the new price and the tools were hardly used. Yep, I have a complete set of Husky 1/4", 3/8", and 1/2" sockets, the black lazer etched ones, that are great tools. I also have there 11 drawer bottom tool box, 3 drawer intermediate, and 8 drawer top box, ball bearing glides, etc. I gave each of the boys a set of Husky ratchets, socket and wrench sets when they graduated from high school. *Then I discovered Kobolt tools at Lowe's so their boxes have a mixture of Husky and Kobolt hand tools now. The only thing I don't like about the Husky brand screwdrivers is that they seem a little cheap to me. *I have Klien hand screwdrivers and cutters - things never wear out it seems - the cutters, not the screwdrivers. -- Alcohol & calculus don't mix. Never drink & derive.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, I've got a set of Husky screwdrivers as well. They're fairly good, not great. And I agree, if you are getting cutting tools, Klein it is. There's a lot of Klein stuff in my electrical tool drawer. |
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