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Richard Casady wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 08:50:07 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote:

What smart guy living in New Haven, CT would go
to the Univ. of Kansas so he could get a quality Liberal Arts degree?

Lawrence Kansas is a very nice town. I happen to think Kansas is a
pretty decent school. I had an uncle on the faculty there. Dean of the
law school, actually. Someone in CT might find it a bit distant.

Casady

Richard,
If you lived in Kansas, and wanted a college education at a very
reasonable price, Univ. of Kansas would be an option, but it would never
be considered a Liberal Arts college. It is a State University. When
you live in the NE, and you have some of the best liberal art colleges
in the US within 150 miles, it is foolish to go to Univ. of Kansas and
pay out of state tuition. While Univ. of Kansas has made great progress
in the last 30 yrs in improving their University System, it still is not
rated as a good Liberal Arts School. US News and World reports does not
include Univ. of Kansas in their ranking of Top, 2nd tier, 3rd tier or
4th tier Liberal Art Schools. If your objective was to get a quality
Liberal Arts education, you would never pick Univ. of Kansas, unless you
lived in Kansas.

Here are the listing according to US News

Best Liberal Arts Schools:
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandre...al-arts-search

Best Value in Liberal Arts:

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandre...ts-best-values

you can see the other rankings by clicking on the links in the left hand
column.

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hk wrote:


Killing a scab? A real scab? Someone hired after a strike began? What's
wrong with that? :) Scabs are the lowest life form, lower even than
neocon Republicans.

Wow, you do have a very interesting value system.

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hk wrote:
wrote:

Nothing that exotic.- Hide quoted text -
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Pfffttt. Tell it to the guys who bucked the union at Finast. They were
sent through the Gauntlet and usually showed up 10-15 minutes late for
lunch after having the **** beat out of them.. Grown men with
families, pummeled in a box car. You can deny it all you want, I saw
it with my own eyes...
What were you drinking at the time?- Hide quoted text -

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Gatoraid? If you were a honorable man I would make a wager with you.
There are still guys doing time for killing a scab on his front porch
in front of his kids because he crossed a pickett line... But I know
you are not up to an honest discussion so I will let the readers
decide who they will believe here...


Killing a scab? A real scab? Someone hired after a strike began? What's
wrong with that? :) Scabs are the lowest life form, lower even than
neocon Republicans.






And here is a website dedicated to honest reporting of union affairs. I
think you will find some interesting reading. You might even find a
familiar name or two if you look in the right places.
Also, there must be moles inside the unions reporting things such as
salary histories that should be company confidential. You should tell
your union friends to be more careful with employees private information.

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On Jan 6, 11:28*am, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote:
hk wrote:

Killing a scab? A real scab? Someone hired after a strike began? What's
wrong with that? :) Scabs are the lowest life form, lower even than
neocon Republicans.

Wow, you do have a very interesting value system.

Yeah, the guy was knifed on his front porch in front of his wife and
two small children... He was not hired after the strike, he crossed
the line during a unsanctioned "wildcat" strike and was followed home
by union "persuaders"...

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Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq. wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 08:50:07 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote:

What smart guy living in New Haven, CT would go to the Univ. of
Kansas so he could get a quality Liberal Arts degree?

Lawrence Kansas is a very nice town. I happen to think Kansas is a
pretty decent school. I had an uncle on the faculty there. Dean of the
law school, actually. Someone in CT might find it a bit distant.

Casady


I looked to see what Univ. of Kansas was ranked, and it is ranked 89th
among National Universities with a score of 41 out of a 100. 92% of
everyone who applied to Univ. Of Kansas were accepted.

As a comparison, Columbia and the other Ivy League schools, who are
known to be extremely selective, accept about 10% of their applicants.
Since these schools are known to be very selective, only the best of the
best even bother to apply and pay the $85 application fee.

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Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq. wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 08:50:07 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote:

What smart guy living in New Haven, CT would go to the Univ. of
Kansas so he could get a quality Liberal Arts degree?

Lawrence Kansas is a very nice town. I happen to think Kansas is a
pretty decent school. I had an uncle on the faculty there. Dean of the
law school, actually. Someone in CT might find it a bit distant.

Casady


I looked to see what Univ. of Kansas was ranked, and it is ranked 89th
among National Universities with a score of 41 out of a 100. 92% of
everyone who applied to Univ. Of Kansas were accepted.

As a comparison, Harvard, Yale, Princeton and Columbia, who are known to
be extremely selective, accept about 10% of their applicants. Since
these schools are known to be very selective, only the best of the best
even bother to apply and pay the $85 application fee.

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On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 08:46:46 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"hk" wrote in message
om...


Why should I have to walk down the street for "atmospheric relief" because
some inconsiderate fool is smoking like a chimney, stinking up the
environment and exposing me to second-hand smoke? I've gotten off
elevators because someone who had been smoking recently got on and made
the elevator stink.

I've gagged and had sneezing fits when I inhale certain perfumes.

Hai Karate does it for me.

My nose wrinkles a bit when I or someone else farts in a room.

Well, that's not a problem I share. When I have a little flatulence,
it smells like roses on a summer morning.

I wither in disgust at some forms of music I hear blasting from cars.

Rap - scrouge of the universe. I should ban rap in my official
capacity as Universal Galactic Overlord.

I find some posts in rec.boats to be disgustingly repulsive.

It's a good damn thing we don't have any psychiatrists in here - we'd
all be comitted eventually.

I've learned to live with it.

Here here.

--

"An idealist is one who, on noticing that
a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes
that it will also make better soup."

H.L. Mencken

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On Jan 6, 10:54*am, hk wrote:
wrote:

Nothing that exotic.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Pfffttt. Tell it to the guys who bucked the union at Finast. They were
sent through the Gauntlet and usually showed up 10-15 minutes late for
lunch after having the **** beat out of them.. Grown men with
families, pummeled in a box car. You can deny it all you want, I saw
it with my own eyes...
What were you drinking at the time?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Gatoraid? *If you were a honorable man I would make a wager with you.
There are still guys doing time for killing a scab on his front porch
in front of his kids because he crossed a pickett line... But I know
you are not up to an honest discussion so I will let the readers
decide who they will believe here...

Killing a scab? A real scab? Someone hired after a strike began? What's
wrong with that? :) Scabs are the lowest life form, lower even than
neocon Republicans.- Hide quoted text -

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And yet WAFA doesn't believe in the death penalty.....go figure..

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On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 09:58:28 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"hk" wrote in message
...

Some years ago, I was at a breakfast meeting in Chicago with some of the
officers of an international union. The exec veep lit up, and I said,
"Jesus, Tommy, would you put out the f*cking cigarette or I'll puke in
your eggs, and stop smoking before it kills you."




That must have been quite a few years ago. Smoking at meetings, dinners, in
public places went out by the 1990's either by law or by social pressure.

I used to smoke like a chimney, but have cut back significantly in an
attempt to stay healthy as long as I can. Hopefully this is the year I give
it up entirely.

I still smoke occasionally, but only in designated places even at my own
house. If I have an itch for a butt on the boat, I go out in the cockpit
area. If people are visiting that I know don't smoke, I don't smoke. We
don't allow smoking in our house, but we don't forbid anyone from smoking
anywhere outside.

I think it should be a personal choice, not legislated. Long term smoking
is a tough habit to kick and I admire people who have successfully done so
completely. Success is gained by encouragement, not by condemnation or
punishment.

Eisboch

When you get ready, let us know. I can tell you what helped me through.

Which reminds me:

This is to CERTIFY that:

JOHN L. HERRING

Has neither smoked nor puffed a single cigarette for: Seven years, one
week, five days, 14 hours, 10 minutes and 15 seconds. This means he has not
lit 128479 cigarettes, and has saved $20,877.92. The additional time he has
to spend his daughters' inheritance is about: 1 year, 11 weeks, 5 days, 2
hours, and 35 minutes.
==================

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On Jan 6, 9:20*am, hk wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
om...
D.Duck wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
...
Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 06:37:05 -0500, hk wrote:

Wrong, Lucky Strike breath.
Lucky's are pretty good. *Do they still make them?
Think I started with them and Camels.
Graduated to the filtered, more aromatic blends.
But any decent cigarette can mask the smell of boiled cabbage.

--Vic
It's an awful smell. I have no idea whether Lucky Strikes are still
made. I do remember the ads. My guess is that smokers do not realize how
badly they smell. The odor really permeates them.
And some folks cannot tolerate the smell of perfume.

And our hospitals are filled with people made ill by inhaling second-hand
perfume odors.

I didn't mention any heath hazards. *I mentioned people being annoyed..

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Just too used to your miserable stench, huh, fat pig?

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On Jan 6, 9:58*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"hk" wrote in message

...



Some years ago, I was at a breakfast meeting in Chicago *with some of the
officers of an international union. The exec veep lit up, and I said,
"Jesus, Tommy, would you put out the f*cking cigarette or I'll puke in
your eggs, and stop smoking before it kills you."

That must have been quite a few years ago. *Smoking at meetings, dinners, in
public places went out by the 1990's either by law or by social pressure.

I used to smoke like a chimney, but have cut back significantly in an
attempt to stay healthy as long as I can. *Hopefully this is the year I give
it up entirely.

I still smoke occasionally, but only in designated places even at my own
house. *If I have an itch for a butt on the boat, I go out in the cockpit
area. *If people are visiting that I know don't smoke, I don't smoke. * We
don't allow smoking in our house, but we don't forbid anyone from smoking
anywhere outside.

I think it should be a personal choice, not legislated. *Long term smoking
is a tough habit to kick and I admire people who have successfully done so
completely. *Success is gained by encouragement, not by condemnation or
punishment.

Eisboch

I quit quite a few years ago. Funny thing is, still, even after what
I'll bet is 7 or so, every once in awhile I still get the urge. I also
have a friend who's wife smokes one cigarette daily, every evening
when she gets home from work. I told her that if I only smoked one
cigarette a day, I'd quit, and she said that believe it or not, she's
just as addicted to that one cigarette as she was when she smoked a
pack a day.

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"hk" wrote in message
...
wrote:
On Jan 5, 11:14 pm, "Mike" wrote:
"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
messagenews:odi5m4l4462l2r3sp6agcs9bln3iltk5d9@4ax .com...





On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:22:25 -0500, hk wrote:
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/business/06smoke.html
Here's what I want to know:
5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are
attributed to alcohol.
I'm in favor of banning the growth and sale of all tobacco products.
Thought you'd like to know that.
Great - that's wonderful that you have an actual opinon on the subject
of smoking.
Now, how about the alcohol?
--
"Do what you can, with what you
have, where you are."
Theodore Roosevelt.
As Scott mentioned, harry's response had absolutely nothing to do with
the
thread you began. His rebuttal to your follow up, again had nothing to
do
with the thread. What does smoking have to do with booze? This is his
M.O.
in *every* thread. This will now grow to a long winded, flaming,
personal
attack thread. As is every other one that harry contributes to. Yes, I'm
part of it, and I apologize. I will not respond to this thread again.

Oh yeah, I notice that the only threads that don't get out of hand, are
the
ones that harry starts... no one responds. What a surprise.

--Mike- Hide quoted text -

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Well, just so you know.. The attack was aimed at Tom who is well known
for enjoying a good cigar here and there.... You are right, it is his
M.O... it has been for over a decade.


Wrong, Lucky Strike breath. Tom posted a rant against alcohol because he
is upset over cigar taxes. I simply responded in kind without belaboring
it. Not everything fits into your simple-minded little world of black or
white.

I'm appalled by Tom's continued consumption of tobacco products. He's a
smart guy and knows better.

Nope, he is against social engineering via taxes and he has had a family
member hurt / killed by a drunk driver. I am against the social
engineering. What is next, the Big Mac tax?

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Don White wrote:
"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/business/06smoke.html

Here's what I want to know:

5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are
attributed to alcohol.

15% of all deaths from diseases of the respiratory system are
attributed to alcohol.

30% of all deaths from accidents caused by fire and flames are
attributed to alcohol.

30% of all accidental drownings are attributed to alcohol.

30% of all suicides are attributed to alcohol.

40% of all deaths due to accidental falls are attributed to alcohol.

45% of all deaths in automobile accidents are attributed to alcohol.

60% of all homicides are attributed to alcohol.

Why aren't we taxing the crap out of alcohol consumption?

ANSWER ME HENRY WAXWORM!!!


--


Have you ever bought booze up here?



I have. What's your point?

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CalifBill wrote:
"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/business/06smoke.html

Here's what I want to know:

5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are
attributed to alcohol.

15% of all deaths from diseases of the respiratory system are
attributed to alcohol.

30% of all deaths from accidents caused by fire and flames are
attributed to alcohol.

30% of all accidental drownings are attributed to alcohol.

30% of all suicides are attributed to alcohol.

40% of all deaths due to accidental falls are attributed to alcohol.

45% of all deaths in automobile accidents are attributed to alcohol.

60% of all homicides are attributed to alcohol.

Why aren't we taxing the crap out of alcohol consumption?

ANSWER ME HENRY WAXWORM!!!


--

"Every normal man must be tempted at times
to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag,
and begin to slit throats."

H. L. Mencken

Ted Kennedy does not smoke.



Obama does.

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Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 06:31:38 -0500, hk wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:18:51 -0500, hk wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:22:25 -0500, hk wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/business/06smoke.html

Here's what I want to know:

5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are
attributed to alcohol.
I'm in favor of banning the growth and sale of all tobacco products.
Thought you'd like to know that.
Great - that's wonderful that you have an actual opinon on the subject
of smoking.

Now, how about the alcohol?
I'm not in favor of excessive drinking. I am in favor of criminal
penalties for those who drink and drive. As in jail time...for the first
offense.
Not what I asked. Based on the personal and economic devastation
wrought on the American public by excessive drinking of alcohol, are
you in favor of increasing the taxes by triple or quadruple the
amounts now taxed in the same manner as tobacco?
Nope. I'm not opposed to a modest increase in taxes on alcohol, but I do
think the taxes on tobacco products should at least double every year
until they are so expensive no one can afford them. Most people who do
enjoy a drink or two once in a while never become alcoholics, and modest
drinking is not obnoxious to other people.

I can absoutely prove to you that one or two is just as bad as ten or
twelve.

It's science baby.

Smoking is obnoxious, period.

So funking what. It's my freakin' life and I can do with it as I
please.

Or used to be able to anyway. You don't like my cigars, walk down the
street.

See if I care.

The smell is awful and if you are exposed to a smoker, his cloud of
effluent makes your clothes and hair stink as badly as his do.

Sorry I am not as "consistent" as you would like, but I really believe
smoking is the foulest of habits.

No - the foulest of habits is telling other people how to live their
lives.


I agree with this post.

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Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 06:53:51 -0500, hk wrote:


Why should I have to walk down the street for "atmospheric relief"
because some inconsiderate fool is smoking like a chimney, stinking up
the environment and exposing me to second-hand smoke? I've gotten off
elevators because someone who had been smoking recently got on and made
the elevator stink.

You're really sounding prissy here.
How do you operate around union guys?
Hope you don't get all huffy about them lighting up.

--Vic

He doesn't, Vic. That's all bull****.

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hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
m...

None, not one of the union guys I know, smoke. Some did, but they
gave it up a long time ago. There's no smoking at the union offices I
visit downtown, because smoking is prohibited in DC offices. At one
of the white collar union offices I visit, there's no smoking outside
on the sidewalk, either, because the union president has made it
known that anyone who smokes is on the schitt list.


That figures.

What about the guys that smoke on the way to to meeting? You can't
convince me that none do. You have indicated that your nose is so
superior that you can detect the aroma of a departed smoker in an
elevator. Are you now saying you can't smell it on the clothing of a
person sitting next to you?

Better never arrange to meet Obama.

Eisboch

Actually, the smoker in the elevator is one of the soon to be departed.
No, I cannot smell them after they have left the elevator...just while
they are in it.

Some years ago, I was at a breakfast meeting in Chicago with some of
the officers of an international union. The exec veep lit up, and I
said, "Jesus, Tommy, would you put out the f*cking cigarette or I'll
puke in your eggs, and stop smoking before it kills you."

Everyone burst out laughing. "Tommy" was the union's persuader. He put
out the cigarette. That evening, at a reception-dinner, his wife planted
a big kiss on my cheek and told me that I was the only one who had the
balls to tell her husband to stop smoking.

Sadly, Tommy had a stroke the next year and died. He was only 60.


If I met Obama, I'd ask him if he had stopped smoking. It is a fair
question and he is smart enough to know that people who care about him
want him to stay healthy. I want him to serve two full terms in good
health.

Holy ****! Narcissistic overload!

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Jim wrote:
hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
m...

None, not one of the union guys I know, smoke. Some did, but they
gave it up a long time ago. There's no smoking at the union offices
I visit downtown, because smoking is prohibited in DC offices. At
one of the white collar union offices I visit, there's no smoking
outside on the sidewalk, either, because the union president has
made it known that anyone who smokes is on the schitt list.


That figures.

What about the guys that smoke on the way to to meeting? You can't
convince me that none do. You have indicated that your nose is so
superior that you can detect the aroma of a departed smoker in an
elevator. Are you now saying you can't smell it on the clothing of a
person sitting next to you?

Better never arrange to meet Obama.

Eisboch

Actually, the smoker in the elevator is one of the soon to be
departed. No, I cannot smell them after they have left the
elevator...just while they are in it.

Some years ago, I was at a breakfast meeting in Chicago with some of
the officers of an international union. The exec veep lit up, and I
said, "Jesus, Tommy, would you put out the f*cking cigarette or I'll
puke in your eggs, and stop smoking before it kills you."

Everyone burst out laughing. "Tommy" was the union's persuader. He put
out the cigarette. That evening, at a reception-dinner, his wife
planted a big kiss on my cheek and told me that I was the only one who
had the balls to tell her husband to stop smoking.

Sadly, Tommy had a stroke the next year and died. He was only 60.


If I met Obama, I'd ask him if he had stopped smoking. It is a fair
question and he is smart enough to know that people who care about him
want him to stay healthy. I want him to serve two full terms in good
health.

You are so brave.
Tell me Harry. What is the job description of a union persuader.

He's the hired thug. He checks job sites and intimidates the non-union
family men.