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D.Duck wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
...
Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 06:37:05 -0500, hk wrote:


Wrong, Lucky Strike breath.
Lucky's are pretty good. Do they still make them?
Think I started with them and Camels.
Graduated to the filtered, more aromatic blends.
But any decent cigarette can mask the smell of boiled cabbage.

--Vic

It's an awful smell. I have no idea whether Lucky Strikes are still made.
I do remember the ads. My guess is that smokers do not realize how badly
they smell. The odor really permeates them.

And some folks cannot tolerate the smell of perfume.




And our hospitals are filled with people made ill by inhaling
second-hand perfume odors.

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On Jan 6, 1:31*am, wrote:
On Jan 5, 10:11*pm, hk wrote:

wrote:
On Jan 5, 9:22 pm, hk wrote:
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/business/06smoke.html
Here's what I want to know:
5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are
attributed to alcohol.
I'm in favor of banning the growth and sale of all tobacco products.
Thought you'd like to know that.

This is the kind of backhanded trolling that destroyed Chucks site..
mostly from you...

Bull****.

I second that. Harrys statement was not a troll, but dip****s response
WAS.

If you don't think it was a troll to Tom, who enjoys a cigar, you are
an idiot.

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hk wrote:
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:22:25 -0500, hk wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/business/06smoke.html

Here's what I want to know:

5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are
attributed to alcohol.
I'm in favor of banning the growth and sale of all tobacco products.
Thought you'd like to know that.

Great - that's wonderful that you have an actual opinon on the subject
of smoking.

Now, how about the alcohol?


I'm not in favor of excessive drinking. I am in favor of criminal
penalties for those who drink and drive. As in jail time...for the first
offense.

Sitting in resstaurant next to someone enjoying a drink does not
interfere with my meal. Sitting next to a smoker ruins the meal because
of the stench.

Maryland has banned smoking in restaurants, as have other states.
There aren't enough jails to house your m13 buddies. where you going to
put all the drinkers.

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On Jan 5, 10:18*pm, hk wrote:
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:





On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:22:25 -0500, hk wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/business/06smoke.html

Here's what I want to know:

5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are
attributed to alcohol.
I'm in favor of banning the growth and sale of all tobacco products.
Thought you'd like to know that.

Great - that's wonderful that you have an actual opinon on the subject
of smoking.

Now, how about the alcohol?

I'm not in favor of excessive drinking. I am in favor of criminal
penalties for those who drink and drive. As in jail time...for the first
offense.

Sitting in resstaurant next to someone enjoying a drink does not
interfere with my meal. Sitting next to a smoker ruins the meal because
of the stench.

Maryland has banned smoking in restaurants, as have other states.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, then if there is a ban in restaurants, your meal isn't ruined by
someone smoking, just like your meal isn't ruined because of someone
having a drink. I have, indeed, had meals ruined by someone drinking
to excess.

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"hk" wrote in message
m...
D.Duck wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
...
Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 06:37:05 -0500, hk wrote:


Wrong, Lucky Strike breath.
Lucky's are pretty good. Do they still make them?
Think I started with them and Camels.
Graduated to the filtered, more aromatic blends.
But any decent cigarette can mask the smell of boiled cabbage.

--Vic

It's an awful smell. I have no idea whether Lucky Strikes are still
made. I do remember the ads. My guess is that smokers do not realize how
badly they smell. The odor really permeates them.

And some folks cannot tolerate the smell of perfume.


And our hospitals are filled with people made ill by inhaling second-hand
perfume odors.

I didn't mention any heath hazards. I mentioned people being annoyed.

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"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 00:26:37 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/business/06smoke.html

Here's what I want to know:

5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are
attributed to alcohol.

15% of all deaths from diseases of the respiratory system are
attributed to alcohol.

30% of all deaths from accidents caused by fire and flames are
attributed to alcohol.

30% of all accidental drownings are attributed to alcohol.

30% of all suicides are attributed to alcohol.

40% of all deaths due to accidental falls are attributed to alcohol.

45% of all deaths in automobile accidents are attributed to alcohol.

60% of all homicides are attributed to alcohol.

Why aren't we taxing the crap out of alcohol consumption?

ANSWER ME HENRY WAXWORM!!!

Because:

1) It would accomplish nothing.

2) Booze lobbyists would never let it happen.

Nope.

And I'm not even going to detail why because it will turn into a rant
and I'm just not up to it today - tonight - this morning - whatever.


If cigarettes are any indication, more taxes would not work. NY taxes the
bejeezus out of them and it doesn't seem to slow sales any.

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Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 06:31:38 -0500, hk wrote:



Sorry I am not as "consistent" as you would like, but I really believe
smoking is the foulest of habits.

No - the foulest of habits is telling other people how to live their
lives.

--

"An idealist is one who, on noticing that
a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes
that it will also make better soup."

H.L. Mencken

You tell him Tom. The righteous left is too damn into life ruling.

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Don White wrote:
"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/business/06smoke.html

Here's what I want to know:

5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are
attributed to alcohol.

15% of all deaths from diseases of the respiratory system are
attributed to alcohol.

30% of all deaths from accidents caused by fire and flames are
attributed to alcohol.

30% of all accidental drownings are attributed to alcohol.

30% of all suicides are attributed to alcohol.

40% of all deaths due to accidental falls are attributed to alcohol.

45% of all deaths in automobile accidents are attributed to alcohol.

60% of all homicides are attributed to alcohol.

Why aren't we taxing the crap out of alcohol consumption?

ANSWER ME HENRY WAXWORM!!!


--


Have you ever bought booze up here?


Yes

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"hk" wrote in message
m...


Why should I have to walk down the street for "atmospheric relief" because
some inconsiderate fool is smoking like a chimney, stinking up the
environment and exposing me to second-hand smoke? I've gotten off
elevators because someone who had been smoking recently got on and made
the elevator stink.

I've gagged and had sneezing fits when I inhale certain perfumes.
My nose wrinkles a bit when I or someone else farts in a room.
I wither in disgust at some forms of music I hear blasting from cars.
I find some posts in rec.boats to be disgustingly repulsive.

I've learned to live with it.

Eisboch

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hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 5, 11:14 pm, "Mike" wrote:
"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
messagenews:odi5m4l4462l2r3sp6agcs9bln3iltk5d9@4ax .com...





On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:22:25 -0500, hk wrote:
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/business/06smoke.html
Here's what I want to know:
5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are
attributed to alcohol.
I'm in favor of banning the growth and sale of all tobacco products.
Thought you'd like to know that.
Great - that's wonderful that you have an actual opinon on the subject
of smoking.
Now, how about the alcohol?
--
"Do what you can, with what you
have, where you are."
Theodore Roosevelt.
As Scott mentioned, harry's response had absolutely nothing to do
with the
thread you began. His rebuttal to your follow up, again had nothing
to do
with the thread. What does smoking have to do with booze? This is his
M.O.
in *every* thread. This will now grow to a long winded, flaming,
personal
attack thread. As is every other one that harry contributes to. Yes, I'm
part of it, and I apologize. I will not respond to this thread again.

Oh yeah, I notice that the only threads that don't get out of hand,
are the
ones that harry starts... no one responds. What a surprise.

--Mike- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, just so you know.. The attack was aimed at Tom who is well known
for enjoying a good cigar here and there.... You are right, it is his
M.O... it has been for over a decade.


Wrong, Lucky Strike breath. Tom posted a rant against alcohol because he
is upset over cigar taxes. I simply responded in kind without belaboring
it. Not everything fits into your simple-minded little world of black or
white.

I'm appalled by Tom's continued consumption of tobacco products. He's a
smart guy and knows better.

I'm appalled by Harry Krause's continued use of foul language and
abusive behavior. He's a smart guy and knows better

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Jim wrote:
hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 5, 11:14 pm, "Mike" wrote:
"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
messagenews:odi5m4l4462l2r3sp6agcs9bln3iltk5d9@4ax .com...





On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:22:25 -0500, hk wrote:
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/business/06smoke.html
Here's what I want to know:
5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are
attributed to alcohol.
I'm in favor of banning the growth and sale of all tobacco products.
Thought you'd like to know that.
Great - that's wonderful that you have an actual opinon on the subject
of smoking.
Now, how about the alcohol?
--
"Do what you can, with what you
have, where you are."
Theodore Roosevelt.
As Scott mentioned, harry's response had absolutely nothing to do
with the
thread you began. His rebuttal to your follow up, again had nothing
to do
with the thread. What does smoking have to do with booze? This is
his M.O.
in *every* thread. This will now grow to a long winded, flaming,
personal
attack thread. As is every other one that harry contributes to. Yes,
I'm
part of it, and I apologize. I will not respond to this thread again.

Oh yeah, I notice that the only threads that don't get out of hand,
are the
ones that harry starts... no one responds. What a surprise.

--Mike- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, just so you know.. The attack was aimed at Tom who is well known
for enjoying a good cigar here and there.... You are right, it is his
M.O... it has been for over a decade.


Wrong, Lucky Strike breath. Tom posted a rant against alcohol because
he is upset over cigar taxes. I simply responded in kind without
belaboring it. Not everything fits into your simple-minded little
world of black or white.

I'm appalled by Tom's continued consumption of tobacco products. He's
a smart guy and knows better.

I'm appalled by Harry Krause's continued use of foul language and
abusive behavior. He's a smart guy and knows better
\
Do you honestly believe he is smart guy? I would guess he is at best
average intelligence. What smart guy living in New Haven, CT would go
to the Univ. of Kansas so he could get a quality Liberal Arts degree?

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"hk" wrote in message
m...

None, not one of the union guys I know, smoke. Some did, but they gave it
up a long time ago. There's no smoking at the union offices I visit
downtown, because smoking is prohibited in DC offices. At one of the white
collar union offices I visit, there's no smoking outside on the sidewalk,
either, because the union president has made it known that anyone who
smokes is on the schitt list.


That figures.

What about the guys that smoke on the way to to meeting? You can't convince
me that none do. You have indicated that your nose is so superior that you
can detect the aroma of a departed smoker in an elevator. Are you now
saying you can't smell it on the clothing of a person sitting next to you?

Better never arrange to meet Obama.

Eisboch

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"hk" wrote in message
m...
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/business/06smoke.html

Here's what I want to know:

5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are
attributed to alcohol.


I'm in favor of banning the growth and sale of all tobacco products.
Thought you'd like to know that.

They will not ban alcohol or tobacco, raises too much easy cash for the
government. They even have to pay less social security for alcoholics and
smokers. Weed, the smoking kind, if it were not so easy to grow they would
make it legal and tax people on it too. Why some things are legal and
others are not caan be changed down to pure economics.

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Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
m...

None, not one of the union guys I know, smoke. Some did, but they gave
it up a long time ago. There's no smoking at the union offices I visit
downtown, because smoking is prohibited in DC offices. At one of the
white collar union offices I visit, there's no smoking outside on the
sidewalk, either, because the union president has made it known that
anyone who smokes is on the schitt list.


That figures.

What about the guys that smoke on the way to to meeting? You can't
convince me that none do. You have indicated that your nose is so
superior that you can detect the aroma of a departed smoker in an
elevator. Are you now saying you can't smell it on the clothing of a
person sitting next to you?

Better never arrange to meet Obama.

Eisboch

Actually, the smoker in the elevator is one of the soon to be departed.
No, I cannot smell them after they have left the elevator...just while
they are in it.

Some years ago, I was at a breakfast meeting in Chicago with some of
the officers of an international union. The exec veep lit up, and I
said, "Jesus, Tommy, would you put out the f*cking cigarette or I'll
puke in your eggs, and stop smoking before it kills you."

Everyone burst out laughing. "Tommy" was the union's persuader. He put
out the cigarette. That evening, at a reception-dinner, his wife planted
a big kiss on my cheek and told me that I was the only one who had the
balls to tell her husband to stop smoking.

Sadly, Tommy had a stroke the next year and died. He was only 60.


If I met Obama, I'd ask him if he had stopped smoking. It is a fair
question and he is smart enough to know that people who care about him
want him to stay healthy. I want him to serve two full terms in good health.

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D.Duck wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
m...
D.Duck wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
...
Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 06:37:05 -0500, hk wrote:


Wrong, Lucky Strike breath.
Lucky's are pretty good. Do they still make them?
Think I started with them and Camels.
Graduated to the filtered, more aromatic blends.
But any decent cigarette can mask the smell of boiled cabbage.

--Vic
It's an awful smell. I have no idea whether Lucky Strikes are still
made. I do remember the ads. My guess is that smokers do not realize how
badly they smell. The odor really permeates them.
And some folks cannot tolerate the smell of perfume.

And our hospitals are filled with people made ill by inhaling second-hand
perfume odors.

I didn't mention any heath hazards. I mentioned people being annoyed.



I have to hold my breath when I walk by the cosmetics department of any
big department store.

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Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq. wrote:
Jim wrote:
hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 5, 11:14 pm, "Mike" wrote:
"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
messagenews:odi5m4l4462l2r3sp6agcs9bln3iltk5d9@4ax .com...





On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:22:25 -0500, hk wrote:
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/business/06smoke.html
Here's what I want to know:
5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are
attributed to alcohol.
I'm in favor of banning the growth and sale of all tobacco products.
Thought you'd like to know that.
Great - that's wonderful that you have an actual opinon on the
subject
of smoking.
Now, how about the alcohol?
--
"Do what you can, with what you
have, where you are."
Theodore Roosevelt.
As Scott mentioned, harry's response had absolutely nothing to do
with the
thread you began. His rebuttal to your follow up, again had nothing
to do
with the thread. What does smoking have to do with booze? This is
his M.O.
in *every* thread. This will now grow to a long winded, flaming,
personal
attack thread. As is every other one that harry contributes to.
Yes, I'm
part of it, and I apologize. I will not respond to this thread again.

Oh yeah, I notice that the only threads that don't get out of hand,
are the
ones that harry starts... no one responds. What a surprise.

--Mike- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, just so you know.. The attack was aimed at Tom who is well known
for enjoying a good cigar here and there.... You are right, it is his
M.O... it has been for over a decade.


Wrong, Lucky Strike breath. Tom posted a rant against alcohol because
he is upset over cigar taxes. I simply responded in kind without
belaboring it. Not everything fits into your simple-minded little
world of black or white.

I'm appalled by Tom's continued consumption of tobacco products. He's
a smart guy and knows better.

I'm appalled by Harry Krause's continued use of foul language and
abusive behavior. He's a smart guy and knows better
\
Do you honestly believe he is smart guy? I would guess he is at best
average intelligence. What smart guy living in New Haven, CT would go
to the Univ. of Kansas so he could get a quality Liberal Arts degree?

If you don't believe he's smart, just ask him. I don't think he'll cop
to being crude and vulgar though.

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On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 08:50:07 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote:

What smart guy living in New Haven, CT would go
to the Univ. of Kansas so he could get a quality Liberal Arts degree?

Lawrence Kansas is a very nice town. I happen to think Kansas is a
pretty decent school. I had an uncle on the faculty there. Dean of the
law school, actually. Someone in CT might find it a bit distant.

Casady

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hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
m...

None, not one of the union guys I know, smoke. Some did, but they
gave it up a long time ago. There's no smoking at the union offices I
visit downtown, because smoking is prohibited in DC offices. At one
of the white collar union offices I visit, there's no smoking outside
on the sidewalk, either, because the union president has made it
known that anyone who smokes is on the schitt list.


That figures.

What about the guys that smoke on the way to to meeting? You can't
convince me that none do. You have indicated that your nose is so
superior that you can detect the aroma of a departed smoker in an
elevator. Are you now saying you can't smell it on the clothing of a
person sitting next to you?

Better never arrange to meet Obama.

Eisboch

Actually, the smoker in the elevator is one of the soon to be departed.
No, I cannot smell them after they have left the elevator...just while
they are in it.

Some years ago, I was at a breakfast meeting in Chicago with some of
the officers of an international union. The exec veep lit up, and I
said, "Jesus, Tommy, would you put out the f*cking cigarette or I'll
puke in your eggs, and stop smoking before it kills you."

Everyone burst out laughing. "Tommy" was the union's persuader. He put
out the cigarette. That evening, at a reception-dinner, his wife planted
a big kiss on my cheek and told me that I was the only one who had the
balls to tell her husband to stop smoking.

Sadly, Tommy had a stroke the next year and died. He was only 60.


If I met Obama, I'd ask him if he had stopped smoking. It is a fair
question and he is smart enough to know that people who care about him
want him to stay healthy. I want him to serve two full terms in good
health.

You are so brave.
Tell me Harry. What is the job description of a union persuader.

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On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:36:10 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

And when Obamessiah lifts the Cuban embargo, what the hell are they
going to sell to the US then? Sugar?

Ethanol?

Casady

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"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:53:40 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote:


"hk" wrote in message
news:LKSdnUWQ0PT8Xf_UnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d@earthlink. com...
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/business/06smoke.html

Here's what I want to know:

5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are
attributed to alcohol.


I'm in favor of banning the growth and sale of all tobacco products.
Thought you'd like to know that.

But people want it. And it is less dangerous than alcohol. Will the
tobacco companies stop paying the money the states collected and borrowed
against with the new taxes seeming to violate the agreement between the
government and tobacco. This country was founded on freedom of choice.
1984 is happening.

Damn straight. Used to be a good $5 cigar was a good cigar. A $5
cigar in today's money is about $45.

That is just obscene.

And when Obamessiah lifts the Cuban embargo, what the hell are they
going to sell to the US then? Sugar?

~~ mutter ~~


Sun & beach, like every other island in that part of the world.

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On Jan 6, 2:21*am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 00:26:37 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"





wrote:
"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
messagenews:djf5m4llipgme39r2ubg1n7gdfvggr42oi@4a x.com...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/business/06smoke.html

Here's what I want to know:

5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are
attributed to alcohol.

15% of all deaths from diseases of the respiratory system are
attributed to alcohol.

30% of all deaths from accidents caused by fire and flames are
attributed to alcohol.

30% of all accidental drownings are attributed to alcohol.

30% of all suicides are attributed to alcohol.

40% of all deaths due to accidental falls are attributed to alcohol.

45% of all deaths in automobile accidents are attributed to alcohol.

60% of all homicides are attributed to alcohol.

Why aren't we taxing the crap out of alcohol consumption?

ANSWER ME HENRY WAXWORM!!!

Because:

1) It would accomplish nothing.

2) Booze lobbyists would never let it happen.

Nope.

And I'm not even going to detail why because it will turn into a rant
and I'm just not up to it today - tonight - this morning - whatever.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Really, taxing to death does work for behavior modification.. When the
price of fuel went up, people stopped driving. They have taxed the
crap out of tobacco and many newer cars we were looking at before the
health issue don't even come stock with ashtrays or cigar lighters..

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On Jan 6, 2:33*am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:56:42 -0800, "CalifBill"





wrote:

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
messagenews:djf5m4llipgme39r2ubg1n7gdfvggr42oi@4a x.com...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/business/06smoke.html

Here's what I want to know:

5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are
attributed to alcohol.

15% of all deaths from diseases of the respiratory system are
attributed to alcohol.

30% of all deaths from accidents caused by fire and flames are
attributed to alcohol.

30% of all accidental drownings are attributed to alcohol.

30% of all suicides are attributed to alcohol.

40% of all deaths due to accidental falls are attributed to alcohol.

45% of all deaths in automobile accidents are attributed to alcohol.

60% of all homicides are attributed to alcohol.

Why aren't we taxing the crap out of alcohol consumption?

ANSWER ME HENRY WAXWORM!!!

Ted Kennedy does not smoke.

And that is relevant how? *:)
--

Happy Holidays and Merry Whatever It Is
That ****es Liberals Off.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If he smoked, there would be no taxes on it.. I think that is his
point...

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On Jan 6, 6:53*am, hk wrote:
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:





On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 06:31:38 -0500, hk wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:18:51 -0500, hk wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:22:25 -0500, hk wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/business/06smoke.html

Here's what I want to know:

5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are
attributed to alcohol.
I'm in favor of banning the growth and sale of all tobacco products.
Thought you'd like to know that.
Great - that's wonderful that you have an actual opinon on the subject
of smoking.

Now, how about the alcohol?
I'm not in favor of excessive drinking. I am in favor of criminal
penalties for those who drink and drive. As in jail time...for the first
offense.
Not what I asked. *Based on the personal and economic devastation
wrought on the American public by excessive drinking of alcohol, are
you in favor of increasing the taxes by triple or quadruple the
amounts now taxed in the same manner as tobacco?
Nope. I'm not opposed to a modest increase in taxes on alcohol, but I do
think the taxes on tobacco products should at least double every year
until they are so expensive no one can afford them. Most people who do
enjoy a drink or two once in a while never become alcoholics, and modest
drinking is not obnoxious to other people.

I can absoutely prove to you that one or two is just as bad as ten or
twelve.

It's science baby.

Smoking is obnoxious, period.

So funking what. It's my freakin' life and I can do with it as I
please.

Or used to be able to anyway. *You don't like my cigars, walk down the
street.

See if I care.

The smell is awful and if you are exposed to a smoker, his cloud of
effluent makes your clothes and hair stink as badly as his do.

Sorry I am not as "consistent" as you would like, but I really believe
smoking is the foulest of habits.

No - the foulest of habits is telling other people how to live their
lives.

Oh, I am sure you can find some sort of spurious science to "prove"
anything you like. That'll help you convince yourself. After all, it is
what you do with global warming, right?

Why should I have to walk down the street for "atmospheric relief"
because some inconsiderate fool is smoking like a chimney, stinking up
the environment and exposing me to second-hand smoke? *I've gotten off
elevators because someone who had been smoking recently got on and made
the elevator stink.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Pfffttt.. Tom is more responsible than that. He asked me once if I
wanted a cigar and I noted how bad my lungs were and that they made me
pretty ill. He didn't light one for himself either... I am pretty sure
he really woudn't make someone else go down the street to avoid his
smoke.

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On Jan 6, 7:53*am, hk wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 06:53:51 -0500, hk wrote:

Why should I have to walk down the street for "atmospheric relief"
because some inconsiderate fool is smoking like a chimney, stinking up
the environment and exposing me to second-hand smoke? *I've gotten off
elevators because someone who had been smoking recently got on and made
the elevator stink.

You're really sounding prissy here.
How do you operate around union guys?
Hope you don't get all huffy about them lighting up.

--Vic

None, not one of the union guys I know, smoke. Some did, but they gave
it up a long time ago. There's no smoking at the union offices I visit
downtown, because smoking is prohibited in DC offices. At one of the
white collar union offices I visit, there's no smoking outside on the
sidewalk, either, because the union president has made it known that
anyone who smokes is on the schitt list.

So you really are anti-choice!

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On Jan 6, 8:36*am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
messagenews:5h16m492juip8k8ib0hrdrmdnrolrbrgmt@4ax .com...





On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 00:26:37 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
messagenews:djf5m4llipgme39r2ubg1n7gdfvggr42oi@4 ax.com...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/business/06smoke.html

Here's what I want to know:

5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are
attributed to alcohol.

15% of all deaths from diseases of the respiratory system are
attributed to alcohol.

30% of all deaths from accidents caused by fire and flames are
attributed to alcohol.

30% of all accidental drownings are attributed to alcohol.

30% of all suicides are attributed to alcohol.

40% of all deaths due to accidental falls are attributed to alcohol.

45% of all deaths in automobile accidents are attributed to alcohol.

60% of all homicides are attributed to alcohol.

Why aren't we taxing the crap out of alcohol consumption?

ANSWER ME HENRY WAXWORM!!!

Because:

1) It would accomplish nothing.

2) Booze lobbyists would never let it happen.

Nope.

And I'm not even going to detail why because it will turn into a rant
and I'm just not up to it today - tonight - this morning - whatever.

If cigarettes are any indication, more taxes would not work. NY taxes the
bejeezus out of them and it doesn't seem to slow sales any.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Check your numbers again, it's working...

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Richard Casady wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:36:10 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

And when Obamessiah lifts the Cuban embargo, what the hell are they
going to sell to the US then? Sugar?

Ethanol?

Casady


Cheap labor, right offshore. Tourism. I'm ready for a visit.

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On Jan 6, 9:43*am, Jim wrote:
hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
news:uqudnaRYbcKjyf7UnZ2dnUVZ_vninZ2d@earthlink. com...

None, not one of the union guys I know, smoke. Some did, but they
gave it up a long time ago. There's no smoking at the union offices I
visit downtown, because smoking is prohibited in DC offices. At one
of the white collar union offices I visit, there's no smoking outside
on the sidewalk, either, because the union president has made it
known that anyone who smokes is on the schitt list.

That figures.

What about the guys that smoke on the way to to meeting? You can't
convince me that none do. *You have indicated that your nose is so
superior that you can detect the aroma of a departed smoker in an
elevator. *Are you now saying you can't smell it on the clothing of a
person sitting next to you?

Better never arrange to meet Obama.

Eisboch

Actually, the smoker in the elevator is one of the soon to be departed.
No, I cannot smell them after they have left the elevator...just while
they are in it.

Some years ago, I was at a breakfast meeting in Chicago *with some of
the officers of an international union. The exec veep lit up, and I
said, "Jesus, Tommy, would you put out the f*cking cigarette or I'll
puke in your eggs, and stop smoking before it kills you."

Everyone burst out laughing. "Tommy" was the union's persuader. He put
out the cigarette. That evening, at a reception-dinner, his wife planted
a big kiss on my cheek and told me that I was the only one who had the
balls to tell her husband to stop smoking.

Sadly, Tommy had a stroke the next year and died. He was only 60.

If I met Obama, I'd ask him if he had stopped smoking. It is a fair
question and he is smart enough to know that people who care about him
want him to stay healthy. I want him to serve two full terms in good
health.

You are so brave.
Tell me Harry. What is the job description of a union persuader.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Voter re-education..

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"hk" wrote in message
...

Some years ago, I was at a breakfast meeting in Chicago with some of the
officers of an international union. The exec veep lit up, and I said,
"Jesus, Tommy, would you put out the f*cking cigarette or I'll puke in
your eggs, and stop smoking before it kills you."




That must have been quite a few years ago. Smoking at meetings, dinners, in
public places went out by the 1990's either by law or by social pressure.

I used to smoke like a chimney, but have cut back significantly in an
attempt to stay healthy as long as I can. Hopefully this is the year I give
it up entirely.

I still smoke occasionally, but only in designated places even at my own
house. If I have an itch for a butt on the boat, I go out in the cockpit
area. If people are visiting that I know don't smoke, I don't smoke. We
don't allow smoking in our house, but we don't forbid anyone from smoking
anywhere outside.

I think it should be a personal choice, not legislated. Long term smoking
is a tough habit to kick and I admire people who have successfully done so
completely. Success is gained by encouragement, not by condemnation or
punishment.

Eisboch

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wrote in message
...
On Jan 6, 8:36 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
messagenews:5h16m492juip8k8ib0hrdrmdnrolrbrgmt@4ax .com...





On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 00:26:37 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
messagenews:djf5m4llipgme39r2ubg1n7gdfvggr42oi@4 ax.com...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/business/06smoke.html

Here's what I want to know:

5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are
attributed to alcohol.

15% of all deaths from diseases of the respiratory system are
attributed to alcohol.

30% of all deaths from accidents caused by fire and flames are
attributed to alcohol.

30% of all accidental drownings are attributed to alcohol.

30% of all suicides are attributed to alcohol.

40% of all deaths due to accidental falls are attributed to alcohol.

45% of all deaths in automobile accidents are attributed to alcohol.

60% of all homicides are attributed to alcohol.

Why aren't we taxing the crap out of alcohol consumption?

ANSWER ME HENRY WAXWORM!!!

Because:

1) It would accomplish nothing.

2) Booze lobbyists would never let it happen.

Nope.

And I'm not even going to detail why because it will turn into a rant
and I'm just not up to it today - tonight - this morning - whatever.

If cigarettes are any indication, more taxes would not work. NY taxes the
bejeezus out of them and it doesn't seem to slow sales any.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

Check your numbers again, it's working...
=================


Because of the tax, or other reasons?

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Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
...

Some years ago, I was at a breakfast meeting in Chicago with some of
the officers of an international union. The exec veep lit up, and I
said, "Jesus, Tommy, would you put out the f*cking cigarette or I'll
puke in your eggs, and stop smoking before it kills you."




That must have been quite a few years ago. Smoking at meetings,
dinners, in public places went out by the 1990's either by law or by
social pressure.

I used to smoke like a chimney, but have cut back significantly in an
attempt to stay healthy as long as I can. Hopefully this is the year I
give it up entirely.

I still smoke occasionally, but only in designated places even at my own
house. If I have an itch for a butt on the boat, I go out in the
cockpit area. If people are visiting that I know don't smoke, I don't
smoke. We don't allow smoking in our house, but we don't forbid anyone
from smoking anywhere outside.

I think it should be a personal choice, not legislated. Long term
smoking is a tough habit to kick and I admire people who have
successfully done so completely. Success is gained by encouragement,
not by condemnation or punishment.

Eisboch


I appreciate the difficulties involved in kicking the habit. It is worth
doing.

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On Jan 6, 10:07*am, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 6, 9:43 am, Jim wrote:
hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
news:uqudnaRYbcKjyf7UnZ2dnUVZ_vninZ2d@earthlin k.com...
None, not one of the union guys I know, smoke. Some did, but they
gave it up a long time ago. There's no smoking at the union offices I
visit downtown, because smoking is prohibited in DC offices. At one
of the white collar union offices I visit, there's no smoking outside
on the sidewalk, either, because the union president has made it
known that anyone who smokes is on the schitt list.
That figures.
What about the guys that smoke on the way to to meeting? You can't
convince me that none do. *You have indicated that your nose is so
superior that you can detect the aroma of a departed smoker in an
elevator. *Are you now saying you can't smell it on the clothing of a
person sitting next to you?
Better never arrange to meet Obama.
Eisboch
Actually, the smoker in the elevator is one of the soon to be departed.
No, I cannot smell them after they have left the elevator...just while
they are in it.
Some years ago, I was at a breakfast meeting in Chicago *with some of
the officers of an international union. The exec veep lit up, and I
said, "Jesus, Tommy, would you put out the f*cking cigarette or I'll
puke in your eggs, and stop smoking before it kills you."
Everyone burst out laughing. "Tommy" was the union's persuader. He put
out the cigarette. That evening, at a reception-dinner, his wife planted
a big kiss on my cheek and told me that I was the only one who had the
balls to tell her husband to stop smoking.
Sadly, Tommy had a stroke the next year and died. He was only 60.
If I met Obama, I'd ask him if he had stopped smoking. It is a fair
question and he is smart enough to know that people who care about him
want him to stay healthy. I want him to serve two full terms in good
health.
You are so brave.
Tell me Harry. What is the job description of a union persuader.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Voter re-education..

Nothing that exotic.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Pfffttt. Tell it to the guys who bucked the union at Finast. They were
sent through the Gauntlet and usually showed up 10-15 minutes late for
lunch after having the **** beat out of them.. Grown men with
families, pummeled in a box car. You can deny it all you want, I saw
it with my own eyes...

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On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 23:44:49 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/business/06smoke.html

Here's what I want to know:

5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are
attributed to alcohol.

15% of all deaths from diseases of the respiratory system are
attributed to alcohol.

30% of all deaths from accidents caused by fire and flames are
attributed to alcohol.

30% of all accidental drownings are attributed to alcohol.

30% of all suicides are attributed to alcohol.

40% of all deaths due to accidental falls are attributed to alcohol.

45% of all deaths in automobile accidents are attributed to alcohol.

60% of all homicides are attributed to alcohol.

Why aren't we taxing the crap out of alcohol consumption?

ANSWER ME HENRY WAXWORM!!!


--


Have you ever bought booze up here?

I understand that some have hidden as much as thirty cases of Trinidad
light in a fishboat.. [Some bit of French territory off NS sells booze
cheap]. Grampa said it was better in his day: The Mounties stayed away
from the parties. The rum was better, came in bigger bottles too, and
the Revenue cutters were slow.

Casady

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On Jan 6, 10:35*am, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 6, 10:07 am, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 6, 9:43 am, Jim wrote:
hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
news:uqudnaRYbcKjyf7UnZ2dnUVZ_vninZ2d@earthl ink.com...
None, not one of the union guys I know, smoke. Some did, but they
gave it up a long time ago. There's no smoking at the union offices I
visit downtown, because smoking is prohibited in DC offices. At one
of the white collar union offices I visit, there's no smoking outside
on the sidewalk, either, because the union president has made it
known that anyone who smokes is on the schitt list.
That figures.
What about the guys that smoke on the way to to meeting? You can't
convince me that none do. *You have indicated that your nose is so
superior that you can detect the aroma of a departed smoker in an
elevator. *Are you now saying you can't smell it on the clothing of a
person sitting next to you?
Better never arrange to meet Obama.
Eisboch
Actually, the smoker in the elevator is one of the soon to be departed.
No, I cannot smell them after they have left the elevator...just while
they are in it.
Some years ago, I was at a breakfast meeting in Chicago *with some of
the officers of an international union. The exec veep lit up, and I
said, "Jesus, Tommy, would you put out the f*cking cigarette or I'll
puke in your eggs, and stop smoking before it kills you."
Everyone burst out laughing. "Tommy" was the union's persuader. He put
out the cigarette. That evening, at a reception-dinner, his wife planted
a big kiss on my cheek and told me that I was the only one who had the
balls to tell her husband to stop smoking.
Sadly, Tommy had a stroke the next year and died. He was only 60.
If I met Obama, I'd ask him if he had stopped smoking. It is a fair
question and he is smart enough to know that people who care about him
want him to stay healthy. I want him to serve two full terms in good
health.
You are so brave.
Tell me Harry. What is the job description of a union persuader.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Voter re-education..
Nothing that exotic.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Pfffttt. Tell it to the guys who bucked the union at Finast. They were
sent through the Gauntlet and usually showed up 10-15 minutes late for
lunch after having the **** beat out of them.. Grown men with
families, pummeled in a box car. You can deny it all you want, I saw
it with my own eyes...

What were you drinking at the time?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Gatoraid? If you were a honorable man I would make a wager with you.
There are still guys doing time for killing a scab on his front porch
in front of his kids because he crossed a pickett line... But I know
you are not up to an honest discussion so I will let the readers
decide who they will believe here...

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"hk" wrote in message
m...
Richard Casady wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:36:10 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

And when Obamessiah lifts the Cuban embargo, what the hell are they
going to sell to the US then? Sugar?

Ethanol?

Casady


Cheap labor, right offshore. Tourism. I'm ready for a visit.

And take more jobs from the mainland.

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D.Duck wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
m...
Richard Casady wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:36:10 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

And when Obamessiah lifts the Cuban embargo, what the hell are they
going to sell to the US then? Sugar?
Ethanol?

Casady

Cheap labor, right offshore. Tourism. I'm ready for a visit.

And take more jobs from the mainland.




Are there any jobs left?

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"Richard Casady" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 23:44:49 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/business/06smoke.html

Here's what I want to know:

5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are
attributed to alcohol.

15% of all deaths from diseases of the respiratory system are
attributed to alcohol.

30% of all deaths from accidents caused by fire and flames are
attributed to alcohol.

30% of all accidental drownings are attributed to alcohol.

30% of all suicides are attributed to alcohol.

40% of all deaths due to accidental falls are attributed to alcohol.

45% of all deaths in automobile accidents are attributed to alcohol.

60% of all homicides are attributed to alcohol.

Why aren't we taxing the crap out of alcohol consumption?

ANSWER ME HENRY WAXWORM!!!


--


Have you ever bought booze up here?

I understand that some have hidden as much as thirty cases of Trinidad
light in a fishboat.. [Some bit of French territory off NS sells booze
cheap]. Grampa said it was better in his day: The Mounties stayed away
from the parties. The rum was better, came in bigger bottles too, and
the Revenue cutters were slow.

Casady


Probably St. Pierre et Miquelon just south of Newfoundland.
If you have a sailboat you can trace this route in 2010. The race is held
every 2nd year...the off years for the Marblehead/Halifax race.
http://routehsp.wordpress.com/