Eisboch wrote:

"Boater" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
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We've not had any snow which covered the ground, yet. Lots of wind
yesterday, buy only about four flakes of snow.

BTW, have you tried adding chains and weight to the Gator for snow
removal?


Traction isn't a problem with the Gator. It has four wheel drive, a
high and low gear range, plus you can lock the rear differential.
With the wide, soft tires, it actually has much better traction in
snow and on ice than the bigger tractor.

The limitation is the size, particularly the height of the plow.
When the snow gets over 12 inches, it starts to pile up and over the
plow instead of being pushed to the left or right, depending on how
you set it's angle.

Eisboch


You need a full size dump truck with chains and a vee-plow...


Last night I downloaded the newest version of Google Earth. It's
pretty cool. It even has a Flight Simulator mode that I was fooling
around with for hours.

Turns out I was a bit off on my earlier estimate of the length of our
driveway(s) that I plow.
Google Earth has a "ruler" function where you can fairly accurately
measure distances in miles, meters, yards, feet, inches, etc. I used
the "path" mode (sums a bunch of cumulative measurements) and measured
the total length of the driveways. They total 815 feet long by an
average of 15 feet wide. That's a lot of snow to move with a Gator.

Eisboch



Obviously, you have too much driveway.

Tear some up and plant a cash crop.

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On Jan 1, 8:56 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .

We've not had any snow which covered the ground, yet. Lots of wind
yesterday, buy only about four flakes of snow.

BTW, have you tried adding chains and weight to the Gator for snow
removal?

Traction isn't a problem with the Gator. It has four wheel drive, a
high and low gear range, plus you can lock the rear differential. With
the wide, soft tires, it actually has much better traction in snow and
on ice than the bigger tractor.

The limitation is the size, particularly the height of the plow. When
the snow gets over 12 inches, it starts to pile up and over the plow
instead of being pushed to the left or right, depending on how you set
it's angle.

Eisboch

You need a full size dump truck with chains and a vee-plow...- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

Eisboch, don't you love it when idiots tell you what "you need"?

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Well, funny thing is, he's right. Late last night the landscaping company
that normally plows our driveway showed up. By then there was a bunch of
new snow and drifts due to wind covering everything, even though I had
plowed earlier. He was driving a small dump truck with dual rear wheels
and did in about 10 minutes what it takes me an hour or so to do with the
Gator.

The only reason I do it is because we never know when Mrs.E.'s elderly and
handicapped parents who live a few miles from us are going to call with an
emergency. I try to keep the driveway somewhat passable, even during the
middle of the storm for that reason.

A goal for 2009 is to convince them it's time for assisted living or a
nursing home. It's a tough sell, but the time has come. My mother moved
into an assisted living facility last May and she loves it. All kinds of
activities, new friends, great meals and privacy when she wants to be alone.
It was a tough sell for her as well. She lived in the old Farmhouse that we
own (until tomorrow) for seven years. Now she wishes she had moved into
the assisted living place earlier.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:

wrote in message
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On Jan 1, 8:56 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .

We've not had any snow which covered the ground, yet. Lots of wind
yesterday, buy only about four flakes of snow.

BTW, have you tried adding chains and weight to the Gator for snow
removal?

Traction isn't a problem with the Gator. It has four wheel drive, a
high and low gear range, plus you can lock the rear differential. With
the wide, soft tires, it actually has much better traction in snow and
on ice than the bigger tractor.

The limitation is the size, particularly the height of the plow. When
the snow gets over 12 inches, it starts to pile up and over the plow
instead of being pushed to the left or right, depending on how you set
it's angle.

Eisboch

You need a full size dump truck with chains and a vee-plow...- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Eisboch, don't you love it when idiots tell you what "you need"?

-----------------------------------------------------------

Well, funny thing is, he's right. Late last night the landscaping
company that normally plows our driveway showed up. By then there was a
bunch of new snow and drifts due to wind covering everything, even
though I had plowed earlier. He was driving a small dump truck with
dual rear wheels and did in about 10 minutes what it takes me an hour or
so to do with the Gator.

The only reason I do it is because we never know when Mrs.E.'s elderly
and handicapped parents who live a few miles from us are going to call
with an emergency. I try to keep the driveway somewhat passable, even
during the middle of the storm for that reason.

A goal for 2009 is to convince them it's time for assisted living or a
nursing home. It's a tough sell, but the time has come. My mother
moved into an assisted living facility last May and she loves it. All
kinds of activities, new friends, great meals and privacy when she wants
to be alone. It was a tough sell for her as well. She lived in the old
Farmhouse that we own (until tomorrow) for seven years. Now she wishes
she had moved into the assisted living place earlier.

Eisboch



Once I got my driver's license in Connecticut at 16, I earned my
spending money in the winter by plowing driveways and shoveling sidewalks.

I used my dad's 4WD jeep. Chains on all tires, concrete blocks in the
back, and a hydraulically controlled plow. The dump trucks do a good job
because the box can be filled with sand, and the added weight gives the
chains and tires more bite.

Those were the days of relatively lightweight four cylinder jeeps. They
were pretty good on beach sand, too...light enough not to sink too
deeply in the sand.

You remember the long Fountain Street hill? I can down there one snowy
day in the jeep/plow and about halfway down, the road surface turned
entirely to ice. I slid about 500' and only stopped because I dropped
the plow blade and the drag slowed me down.

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
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We've not had any snow which covered the ground, yet. Lots of wind
yesterday, buy only about four flakes of snow.

BTW, have you tried adding chains and weight to the Gator for snow
removal?


Traction isn't a problem with the Gator. It has four wheel drive, a
high and low gear range, plus you can lock the rear differential. With
the wide, soft tires, it actually has much better traction in snow and
on ice than the bigger tractor.

The limitation is the size, particularly the height of the plow. When
the snow gets over 12 inches, it starts to pile up and over the plow
instead of being pushed to the left or right, depending on how you set
it's angle.

Eisboch


You need a full size dump truck with chains and a vee-plow...


Last night I downloaded the newest version of Google Earth. It's pretty
cool. It even has a Flight Simulator mode that I was fooling around with
for hours.

Turns out I was a bit off on my earlier estimate of the length of our
driveway(s) that I plow.
Google Earth has a "ruler" function where you can fairly accurately
measure distances in miles, meters, yards, feet, inches, etc. I used the
"path" mode (sums a bunch of cumulative measurements) and measured the
total length of the driveways. They total 815 feet long by an average of
15 feet wide. That's a lot of snow to move with a Gator.

Eisboch

If you don't want to buy a heavy duty plowing vehicle, build a small 12' x
20' garage right at the foot of your driveway to store one of your vehicles
for the winter.

Don White wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
...

We've not had any snow which covered the ground, yet. Lots of wind
yesterday, buy only about four flakes of snow.

BTW, have you tried adding chains and weight to the Gator for snow
removal?

Traction isn't a problem with the Gator. It has four wheel drive, a
high and low gear range, plus you can lock the rear differential. With
the wide, soft tires, it actually has much better traction in snow and
on ice than the bigger tractor.

The limitation is the size, particularly the height of the plow. When
the snow gets over 12 inches, it starts to pile up and over the plow
instead of being pushed to the left or right, depending on how you set
it's angle.

Eisboch

You need a full size dump truck with chains and a vee-plow...

Last night I downloaded the newest version of Google Earth. It's pretty
cool. It even has a Flight Simulator mode that I was fooling around with
for hours.

Turns out I was a bit off on my earlier estimate of the length of our
driveway(s) that I plow.
Google Earth has a "ruler" function where you can fairly accurately
measure distances in miles, meters, yards, feet, inches, etc. I used the
"path" mode (sums a bunch of cumulative measurements) and measured the
total length of the driveways. They total 815 feet long by an average of
15 feet wide. That's a lot of snow to move with a Gator.

Eisboch

If you don't want to buy a heavy duty plowing vehicle, build a small 12' x
20' garage right at the foot of your driveway to store one of your vehicles
for the winter.




And don't forget the snowshoes.

On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 08:45:56 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
.. .


We've not had any snow which covered the ground, yet. Lots of wind
yesterday, buy only about four flakes of snow.

BTW, have you tried adding chains and weight to the Gator for snow
removal?


Traction isn't a problem with the Gator. It has four wheel drive, a high
and low gear range, plus you can lock the rear differential. With the
wide, soft tires, it actually has much better traction in snow and on ice
than the bigger tractor.

The limitation is the size, particularly the height of the plow. When the
snow gets over 12 inches, it starts to pile up and over the plow instead of
being pushed to the left or right, depending on how you set it's angle.

Eisboch

Well, that would mean you just have to hit it more often while it's
snowing. Getting it at 4" or so. Might mean getting up three or four times
in the middle of the night.

There are times when discretion is the better part of valor. This sounds
like it may be one of them. Call a snow guy and be done with it. I'd hate
to see you hurt yourself or something around the drive.
--
** Good Day! **

John H

On Jan 1, 9:17*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Jan 1, 8:56 am, Boater wrote:





Eisboch wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .

We've not had any snow which covered the ground, yet. Lots of wind
yesterday, buy only about four flakes of snow.

BTW, have you tried adding chains and weight to the Gator for snow
removal?

Traction isn't a problem with the Gator. It has four wheel drive, a
high and low gear range, plus you can lock the rear differential. With
the wide, soft tires, it actually has much better traction in snow and
on ice than the bigger tractor.

The limitation is the size, particularly the height of the plow. When
the snow gets over 12 inches, it starts to pile up and over the plow
instead of being pushed to the left or right, depending on how you set
it's angle.

Eisboch

You need a full size dump truck with chains and a vee-plow...- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

Eisboch, don't you love it when idiots tell you what "you need"?

-----------------------------------------------------------

Well, funny thing is, he's right. * Late last night the landscaping company
that normally plows our driveway showed up. *By then there was a bunch of
new snow and drifts due to wind covering everything, even though I had
plowed earlier. * He was driving a small dump truck with dual rear wheels
and did in about 10 minutes what it takes me an hour or so to do with the
Gator.

The only reason I do it is because we never know when Mrs.E.'s elderly and
handicapped parents who live a few miles from us are going to call with an
emergency. * I try to keep the driveway somewhat passable, even during the
middle of the storm for that reason.

A goal for 2009 is to convince them it's time for assisted living or a
nursing home. *It's a tough sell, but the time has come. * My mother moved
into an assisted living facility last May and she loves it. *All kinds of
activities, new friends, great meals and privacy when she wants to be alone.
It was a tough sell for her as well. *She lived in the old Farmhouse that we
own *(until tomorrow) for seven years. *Now she wishes she had moved into
the assisted living place earlier.

Eisboch- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It isn't necessarily because it was a dump truck. Four wheel or front
wheel drive does the trick, because there's a LOT of weight on the
front because the engines there, and then the plow sticking out of the
front creates a moment that is transferred to the front axle.

Some of those assisted living places are really, really nice, and like
you say, there's other people to interact with.

On Jan 1, 9:30*am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

wrote in message
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On Jan 1, 8:56 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .

We've not had any snow which covered the ground, yet. Lots of wind
yesterday, buy only about four flakes of snow.

BTW, have you tried adding chains and weight to the Gator for snow
removal?

Traction isn't a problem with the Gator. It has four wheel drive, a
high and low gear range, plus you can lock the rear differential. With
the wide, soft tires, it actually has much better traction in snow and
on ice than the bigger tractor.

The limitation is the size, particularly the height of the plow. When
the snow gets over 12 inches, it starts to pile up and over the plow
instead of being pushed to the left or right, depending on how you set
it's angle.

Eisboch

You need a full size dump truck with chains and a vee-plow...- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Eisboch, don't you love it when idiots tell you what "you need"?

-----------------------------------------------------------

Well, funny thing is, he's right. * Late last night the landscaping
company that normally plows our driveway showed up. *By then there was a
bunch of new snow and drifts due to wind covering everything, even
though I had plowed earlier. * He was driving a small dump truck with
dual rear wheels and did in about 10 minutes what it takes me an hour or
so to do with the Gator.

The only reason I do it is because we never know when Mrs.E.'s elderly
and handicapped parents who live a few miles from us are going to call
with an emergency. * I try to keep the driveway somewhat passable, even
during the middle of the storm for that reason.

A goal for 2009 is to convince them it's time for assisted living or a
nursing home. *It's a tough sell, but the time has come. * My mother
moved into an assisted living facility last May and she loves it. *All
kinds of activities, new friends, great meals and privacy when she wants
to be alone. It was a tough sell for her as well. *She lived in the old
Farmhouse that we own *(until tomorrow) for seven years. *Now she wishes
she had moved into the assisted living place earlier.

Eisboch

Once I got my driver's license in Connecticut at 16, I earned my
spending money in the winter by plowing driveways and shoveling sidewalks..

I used my dad's 4WD jeep. Chains on all tires, concrete blocks in the
back, and a hydraulically controlled plow. The dump trucks do a good job
because the box can be filled with sand, and the added weight gives the
chains and tires more bite.

Those were the days of relatively lightweight four cylinder jeeps. They
were pretty good on beach sand, too...light enough not to sink too
deeply in the sand.

You remember the long Fountain Street hill? I can down there one snowy
day in the jeep/plow and about halfway down, the road surface turned
entirely to ice. I slid about 500' and only stopped because I dropped
the plow blade and the drag slowed me down.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So let's see. First you want a HEAVY vehicle to give the tires more
"bite", then you praise the merits of a LIGHT Jeep......
Which is it?

wrote:
On Jan 1, 8:56 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...
We've not had any snow which covered the ground, yet. Lots of wind
yesterday, buy only about four flakes of snow.
BTW, have you tried adding chains and weight to the Gator for snow
removal?
Traction isn't a problem with the Gator. It has four wheel drive, a
high and low gear range, plus you can lock the rear differential. With
the wide, soft tires, it actually has much better traction in snow and
on ice than the bigger tractor.
The limitation is the size, particularly the height of the plow. When
the snow gets over 12 inches, it starts to pile up and over the plow
instead of being pushed to the left or right, depending on how you set
it's angle.
Eisboch
You need a full size dump truck with chains and a vee-plow...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Eisboch, don't you love it when idiots tell you what "you need"?
Maybe we could cut Harry some slack for 1 day.
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Eisboch wrote:
Happy New Year youse all.

Let's hope '09 brings some refreshing and positive changes.

And a ban on snow.

Eisboch

Right on.
Positive change would be good.
There is a snow ban here. Haven't seen a snowflake in years.
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