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Eisboch wrote:

"Boater" wrote in message
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It's really annoying when a computer seller loads up a new box or
laptop with crapware. I know that for a while, Dell was offering
machines where you could opt out of crapware.

It's even more annoying that certain software doesn't completely
remove itself when you want it to. I'm afraid that knowing how to find
"a" file isn't going to do it these days...you have to know a lot
more, and sometimes you have to go into the registry.


This new laptop (HP something or other, optimized for multimedia)
really doesn't have a lot of extra stuff or junk in the bundled
software. There are a few, but they don't automatically install and are
simply offers if interested. Other than Norton and a media
editing/publishing program that I haven't tried yet ( it's in addition
to Microsoft's standard Media Center programs) I haven't seen the usual
enticements for a bunch of stuff you'd never use or be interested in.
Even the standard AOL offering for an account isn't included.

Eisboch


Well, that's an improvement. I haven't bought a put-together PC in a
long, long time. So, when I bought the pieces and parts and an OS
license, there was no crapware.

There was no crapware on the Macbook Pro I got last year, either.

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On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:55:13 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

It's really annoying when a computer seller loads up a new box or laptop
with crapware. I know that for a while, Dell was offering machines where
you could opt out of crapware.

You mean Windoze?

Casady

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Richard Casady wrote:
On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:55:13 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

It's really annoying when a computer seller loads up a new box or laptop
with crapware. I know that for a while, Dell was offering machines where
you could opt out of crapware.

You mean Windoze?

Casady


Oh, puh-leaze. Windows works just fine for me and kazillions of others.
It's no longer my fav, but it has been pretty trouble-free for me.

RTFM.

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On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 14:59:15 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote:

On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:55:13 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

It's really annoying when a computer seller loads up a new box or laptop
with crapware. I know that for a while, Dell was offering machines where
you could opt out of crapware.

You mean Windoze?

That was Harry who wrote that, Richard.
I've built my own PC's for a long time, and before that they came
without software.
But I've seen what he's talking about on other computers.
I'm pretty sure that "crapware" he was talking about really had
nothing to do with Windows, but other software companies that
have a "financial" deal with the PC manufacturer.
I resisted Windows for a while, but ultimately found it the best OS.
I haven't bothered looking at its competitors, since it has been fine
to work with for me. And since XP it never breaks on me.
Some like the Mac OS and the Linux variants, and get all het up
with the "My OS is better than your OS" stuff.
Pretty funny. I say use whatever works best for you.
Wanna argue?

--Vic

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Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 14:59:15 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote:

On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:55:13 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

It's really annoying when a computer seller loads up a new box or laptop
with crapware. I know that for a while, Dell was offering machines where
you could opt out of crapware.
You mean Windoze?

That was Harry who wrote that, Richard.
I've built my own PC's for a long time, and before that they came
without software.
But I've seen what he's talking about on other computers.
I'm pretty sure that "crapware" he was talking about really had
nothing to do with Windows, but other software companies that
have a "financial" deal with the PC manufacturer.
I resisted Windows for a while, but ultimately found it the best OS.
I haven't bothered looking at its competitors, since it has been fine
to work with for me. And since XP it never breaks on me.
Some like the Mac OS and the Linux variants, and get all het up
with the "My OS is better than your OS" stuff.
Pretty funny. I say use whatever works best for you.
Wanna argue?

--Vic


Correct on all counts.

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On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 10:04:49 -0500, boater wrote:

Richard Casady wrote:
On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:55:13 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

It's really annoying when a computer seller loads up a new box or laptop
with crapware. I know that for a while, Dell was offering machines where
you could opt out of crapware.

You mean Windoze?

Casady


Oh, puh-leaze. Windows works just fine for me and kazillions of others.
It's no longer my fav, but it has been pretty trouble-free for me.

RTFM.

I have to admit it is not that bad today. I used to reformat and
reinstall the 311 virus about once a month.Some days you could spend
more time rebooting than operating, or so it seemed.

Casady

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Richard Casady wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 10:04:49 -0500, boater wrote:

Richard Casady wrote:
On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:55:13 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

It's really annoying when a computer seller loads up a new box or laptop
with crapware. I know that for a while, Dell was offering machines where
you could opt out of crapware.
You mean Windoze?

Casady

Oh, puh-leaze. Windows works just fine for me and kazillions of others.
It's no longer my fav, but it has been pretty trouble-free for me.

RTFM.

I have to admit it is not that bad today. I used to reformat and
reinstall the 311 virus about once a month.Some days you could spend
more time rebooting than operating, or so it seemed.

Casady
You were doing something *way* wrong there. I had the same Windows for
Workgroups 3.11 running from 1992 to 1999 when I upgraded it to Window
95. It was copied from machine to machine, installing new drivers as
required as I upgraded hardware. I even have a few legacy apps that I
ported the folders accross to this machine from it running today. My
oldest email on this box for instance is dated 3 November 1998. :-)

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On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 20:04:07 +0000, IanM
wrote:

Richard Casady wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 10:04:49 -0500, boater wrote:

Richard Casady wrote:
On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:55:13 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

It's really annoying when a computer seller loads up a new box or laptop
with crapware. I know that for a while, Dell was offering machines where
you could opt out of crapware.
You mean Windoze?

Casady

Oh, puh-leaze. Windows works just fine for me and kazillions of others.
It's no longer my fav, but it has been pretty trouble-free for me.

RTFM.

I have to admit it is not that bad today. I used to reformat and
reinstall the 311 virus about once a month.Some days you could spend
more time rebooting than operating, or so it seemed.

Casady
You were doing something *way* wrong there. I had the same Windows for
Workgroups 3.11 running from 1992 to 1999 when I upgraded it to Window
95. It was copied from machine to machine, installing new drivers as
required as I upgraded hardware. I even have a few legacy apps that I
ported the folders accross to this machine from it running today. My
oldest email on this box for instance is dated 3 November 1998. :-)

I was thinking this morning that I could have lived the rest of my life
with Win for Workgps 3.11. What a great program.