Oh ****!
This is the garden group, right?


On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 11:33:52 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 11:55:48 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 13:04:31 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

I got tired of sweeping leaves out of the Tolman every time I wanted
to use her. So, I bought one of those shelters with a heavy canvas
type roof over a tubular steel frame from Shelter Logic. It isnt
bad. It is 26' X 12' with 2" steel tubing frame powder coated.
Roughly $400. It went together very well. I looked into various
schemes to anchor it but the mobile home screw in anchors were
expensive and serious overkill. However, I found screw in type tent
anchors at Wal Mart for $3.50 each and I put one next to each leg and
tied the leg base to it.


Naa that is some kind of yuppie up town thing. A redneck shelter is
made out of PVC pipe and a poly tarp.

Hey, you just gave me an idea for a new gazebo.
The roof of my metal frame one collapsed a week ago when the snow load
got heavy. Didn't take the canvas off as it was getting rotten at the
corners. I have 2 new $90 tops, and figured if the snow ripped it I
would just put a new top on.
But the roof framework itself collapsed, which is weird given the
slope and the fact the rest of the structure didn't flex at all.
Square metal tube stuff - one side's tubes must have bent enough that
the whole roof could collapse inwards.
Looks like I can straighten things out when it warms up.
My son said he can do a little welding if necessary. There was no
corrosion on the thing.
It's on a patio slab and I never shot nails or drilled plugs to tie it
down, though I should. Got some patio blocks on the legs and the
stuff on the shelves is pretty heavy, but a couple times during
windstorms it looked like it was ready to take off.
This is the gazebo, but I think I only paid a little over 2 hundred
about 5 years ago at Target. I recommend it. Wife has big flowers on
the shelves and wire ties plastic screening on the street side which
allows vines to climb. Like sitting in an open flower shop with birds
around and occasionally flying through. Wife has a HUGE garden.
Spend a lot of time there in the summer. We have very comfortable
chairs in it and the Weber is right beside it. Oh, oh, I'm feeling a
little cabin fever here.
http://exterior-accents.stores.yahoo...setgazebo.html
But if you get heavy snow, do take the lid off before the snows come.
Oh, wait, you don't get too much snow, right? (-:

--Vic

Vic Smith wrote:
Oh ****!
This is the garden group, right?
Near enough ;-)

I was boating this afternoon. When did you last get on the water?
(N.B. if you didn't take the shore lines off it doesn't count.)

On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 11:33:52 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 11:55:48 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 13:04:31 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

I got tired of sweeping leaves out of the Tolman every time I wanted
to use her. So, I bought one of those shelters with a heavy canvas
type roof over a tubular steel frame from Shelter Logic. It isnt
bad. It is 26' X 12' with 2" steel tubing frame powder coated.
Roughly $400. It went together very well. I looked into various
schemes to anchor it but the mobile home screw in anchors were
expensive and serious overkill. However, I found screw in type tent
anchors at Wal Mart for $3.50 each and I put one next to each leg and
tied the leg base to it.

Naa that is some kind of yuppie up town thing. A redneck shelter is
made out of PVC pipe and a poly tarp.
Hey, you just gave me an idea for a new gazebo.
The roof of my metal frame one collapsed a week ago when the snow load
got heavy. Didn't take the canvas off as it was getting rotten at the
corners. I have 2 new $90 tops, and figured if the snow ripped it I
would just put a new top on.
But the roof framework itself collapsed, which is weird given the
slope and the fact the rest of the structure didn't flex at all.
Square metal tube stuff - one side's tubes must have bent enough that
the whole roof could collapse inwards.
Looks like I can straighten things out when it warms up.
My son said he can do a little welding if necessary. There was no
corrosion on the thing.
It's on a patio slab and I never shot nails or drilled plugs to tie it
down, though I should. Got some patio blocks on the legs and the
stuff on the shelves is pretty heavy, but a couple times during
windstorms it looked like it was ready to take off.
This is the gazebo, but I think I only paid a little over 2 hundred
about 5 years ago at Target. I recommend it. Wife has big flowers on
the shelves and wire ties plastic screening on the street side which
allows vines to climb. Like sitting in an open flower shop with birds
around and occasionally flying through. Wife has a HUGE garden.
Spend a lot of time there in the summer. We have very comfortable
chairs in it and the Weber is right beside it. Oh, oh, I'm feeling a
little cabin fever here.
http://exterior-accents.stores.yahoo...setgazebo.html
But if you get heavy snow, do take the lid off before the snows come.
Oh, wait, you don't get too much snow, right? (-:

--Vic

On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:22:10 +0000, IanM
wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
Oh ****!
This is the garden group, right?
Near enough ;-)

I was boating this afternoon. When did you last get on the water?
(N.B. if you didn't take the shore lines off it doesn't count.)

At least 20 years since I've been out in a boat, a charter.
Been limited to shore/dock/pier fishing.
I'm here mostly to read about the boating experiences of the salts
here, because if I move south I'll be getting a boat.
Been a little sparse on the boat stuff lately though.
Where are you at? Do any fishing?

--Vic

Vic Smith wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:22:10 +0000, IanM
wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
Oh ****!
This is the garden group, right?
Near enough ;-)

I was boating this afternoon. When did you last get on the water?
(N.B. if you didn't take the shore lines off it doesn't count.)
At least 20 years since I've been out in a boat, a charter.
Been limited to shore/dock/pier fishing.
I'm here mostly to read about the boating experiences of the salts
here, because if I move south I'll be getting a boat.
Been a little sparse on the boat stuff lately though.
Where are you at? Do any fishing?

I was providing safety boat cover for my dinghy club in a brisk breeze
and near freezing conditions. We were lucky with the weather as there
was enough wind for a reasonably competitive race but not enough to
cause any incidents. Also it stayed fine. Where, well this was on the
River Thames in London, England.

Haven't done any fishing since I was out in South Africa about 20 years
back and that was hand lining from a rowboat. My dad was the keen
fisherman. If he was still with us, he'd have a tale or two to tell.
There was one time he was out for the night with the minister, the local
police officer, the school teacher, the councillor and the publican in
two boats in the river mouth illegally netting the salmon run. (The
absentee landlord was none too popular with the local community.) I'd
better not say where, but if I said Oban was the nearest port of any
size, I'd not be lying.

IanM wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:22:10 +0000, IanM
wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
Oh ****!
This is the garden group, right?
Near enough ;-)

I was boating this afternoon. When did you last get on the water?
(N.B. if you didn't take the shore lines off it doesn't count.)
At least 20 years since I've been out in a boat, a charter.
Been limited to shore/dock/pier fishing.
I'm here mostly to read about the boating experiences of the salts
here, because if I move south I'll be getting a boat.
Been a little sparse on the boat stuff lately though.
Where are you at? Do any fishing?

I was providing safety boat cover for my dinghy club in a brisk breeze
and near freezing conditions. We were lucky with the weather as there
was enough wind for a reasonably competitive race but not enough to
cause any incidents. Also it stayed fine. Where, well this was on the
River Thames in London, England.

Haven't done any fishing since I was out in South Africa about 20 years
back and that was hand lining from a rowboat. My dad was the keen
fisherman. If he was still with us, he'd have a tale or two to tell.
There was one time he was out for the night with the minister, the local
police officer, the school teacher, the councillor and the publican in
two boats in the river mouth illegally netting the salmon run. (The
absentee landlord was none too popular with the local community.) I'd
better not say where, but if I said Oban was the nearest port of any
size, I'd not be lying.


Was that the townhouse you lived in?

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:25:24 +0000, IanM
wrote:

I was providing safety boat cover for my dinghy club in a brisk breeze
and near freezing conditions. We were lucky with the weather as there
was enough wind for a reasonably competitive race but not enough to
cause any incidents. Also it stayed fine. Where, well this was on the
River Thames in London, England.

Haven't done any fishing since I was out in South Africa about 20 years
back and that was hand lining from a rowboat. My dad was the keen
fisherman. If he was still with us, he'd have a tale or two to tell.
There was one time he was out for the night with the minister, the local
police officer, the school teacher, the councillor and the publican in
two boats in the river mouth illegally netting the salmon run. (The
absentee landlord was none too popular with the local community.) I'd
better not say where, but if I said Oban was the nearest port of any
size, I'd not be lying.

Had to google Oban up, and what I saw in West Scotland looks real
pretty. Did you happen to see a flick called "Local Hero?"
Seems like a similar location.
Looks like you travel a bit. Of course I'm just assuming that's the
Oban you mentioned.
No question about SA or London.
Haven't done much traveling myself since I settled down here in N.
Illinois when I was 26. Only foreign jaunt since was to a stripper
bar in Canada some years ago. (-:
What kind of safety boat do you drive for your dinghy club?
You do much sailing?
I'm thinking of getting a 26' when(if) I move to Florida, else a 24"
skiff. The sailboat would probably be a Mac 26x/m, much scorned
in sailing circles. Not sure yet, but the scorn factor won't be in
play. After all, I'm always driving Chevys.

Cheers,

--Vic

Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:25:24 +0000, IanM
wrote:
I was providing safety boat cover for my dinghy club in a brisk breeze
and near freezing conditions. We were lucky with the weather as there
was enough wind for a reasonably competitive race but not enough to
cause any incidents. Also it stayed fine. Where, well this was on the
River Thames in London, England.

Haven't done any fishing since I was out in South Africa about 20 years
back and that was hand lining from a rowboat. My dad was the keen
fisherman. If he was still with us, he'd have a tale or two to tell.
There was one time he was out for the night with the minister, the local
police officer, the school teacher, the councillor and the publican in
two boats in the river mouth illegally netting the salmon run. (The
absentee landlord was none too popular with the local community.) I'd
better not say where, but if I said Oban was the nearest port of any
size, I'd not be lying.

Had to google Oban up, and what I saw in West Scotland looks real
pretty. Did you happen to see a flick called "Local Hero?"

Had to google that. I caught about 3/4 of it on late night TV a few
years back. Now I know what it was called :-)

Seems like a similar location.

.... to a visitor. Mind you, when I was a kid, in most west coast
villages, you were a visitor unless all 8 great-grand parents were born
within a few hours walk. Mine had got out to Glasgow and the next
generation to London so we were visitors :-)

Looks like you travel a bit. Of course I'm just assuming that's the
Oban you mentioned.

I doubt there are many others in traditional salmon fishing areas.
Don't travel so much nowdays. Won't fly long haul and not so fond of
coaches. A good few years back I'd drive up to Hopetoun House,
Edinburgh once a year for a Saturday night dance. About 500 miles each
way as I had some friends to pick up the other side of the country.

No question about SA or London.
Haven't done much traveling myself since I settled down here in N.
Illinois when I was 26. Only foreign jaunt since was to a stripper
bar in Canada some years ago. (-:
What kind of safety boat do you drive for your dinghy club?
Only a small trihull. We've got a couple of inflatables as well, but
the dory is more comfortable and faster.
You do much sailing?
Some :-) Couple of thou NM weekending this year and few afternoons
dinghy racing as well.
I'm thinking of getting a 26' when(if) I move to Florida, else a 24"
skiff. The sailboat would probably be a Mac 26x/m, much scorned
in sailing circles. Not sure yet, but the scorn factor won't be in
play. After all, I'm always driving Chevys.
They aren't so bad as a fair weather lake boat,lots of room, light
enough to trail easily and the speed can be handy if you gotta make port
before the weather breaks, but you'll find the Mac 26es limiting if you
get serious. Lot of potential problems, and when you've checked/fixed
the worst of them you'll be rather poorer but the boat wont be worth a
lot more . . .
OTOH better a boat you can sail regularly than a marina queen eating up
your entire boat budget in berth fees.

We have a Contessa 26 in a marina. Saves a little bit on the insurance
and a lot on lost/drowned gear getting stuff to the boat compared to a
swinging mooring. We figure we're not *that* far off even by the time
you figure in the convenience of having power for maintenance etc. Was
down the boat the day before and watched the marina staff bring in a
drifter. Small motor cruiser had broken loose on the river complete with
its mooring buoy. Looked like the sort with the bar through and a ring
top and bottom. The bottom ring was missing completely. Check your
moorings folks!

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:00:28 +0000, IanM
wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:


Seems like a similar location.

... to a visitor. Mind you, when I was a kid, in most west coast
villages, you were a visitor unless all 8 great-grand parents were born
within a few hours walk. Mine had got out to Glasgow and the next
generation to London so we were visitors :-)

Sounds like the Ozark area my ma grew up in.
Without the sea, of course (-:

You do much sailing?
Some :-) Couple of thou NM weekending this year and few afternoons
dinghy racing as well.

That's a bit (-:

I'm thinking of getting a 26' when(if) I move to Florida, else a 24"
skiff. The sailboat would probably be a Mac 26x/m, much scorned
in sailing circles. Not sure yet, but the scorn factor won't be in
play. After all, I'm always driving Chevys.
They aren't so bad as a fair weather lake boat,lots of room, light
enough to trail easily and the speed can be handy if you gotta make port
before the weather breaks, but you'll find the Mac 26es limiting if you
get serious. Lot of potential problems, and when you've checked/fixed
the worst of them you'll be rather poorer but the boat wont be worth a
lot more . . .
OTOH better a boat you can sail regularly than a marina queen eating up
your entire boat budget in berth fees.

The Compromise strikes again. I'm pretty aware of it's limitations.
I'd never spend much trying to make it sail better, because a sow's
ear won't make a silk purse. There are some standing rigging upgrades
recommended by owners. If I ever get serious about "sailing" I'd just
get a different boat. The space and shallow draft are what I like,
since I enjoy overnight fishing.
When compared in cost to a cabined powerboat for that, it shines.
Still don't know about fishing from that small cockpit though, which
is why the skiff is my alternative. The Mac sails are a bonus, and I
have enjoyed moving with the wind. Not much for speed anyway.

We have a Contessa 26 in a marina. Saves a little bit on the insurance
and a lot on lost/drowned gear getting stuff to the boat compared to a
swinging mooring. We figure we're not *that* far off even by the time
you figure in the convenience of having power for maintenance etc. Was
down the boat the day before and watched the marina staff bring in a
drifter. Small motor cruiser had broken loose on the river complete with
its mooring buoy. Looked like the sort with the bar through and a ring
top and bottom. The bottom ring was missing completely. Check your
moorings folks!

Good advice.
I looked a bit into the Contessa 26, and it looks a sturdy boat.
Was it under you for all those miles?

--Vic