Salmonbait wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 08:17:52 -0500, Boater wrote:

Salmonbait wrote:
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:47:53 -0500, D K
wrote:

Billgran wrote:
"John" wrote in message
...

I called the dealer. He said to connect the hose at the flushing
attachment, but not to let the engine get over idle speed.


If the dealer said to use the flusher hose and fitting under the motor's
powerhead, I'd be having a word with that dealer person. The Yamaha owners
manual, service manual, and training seminars state specifically NOT to run
the motor using it. Only run the motor with the "earmuff" type flushers
around the gearcase, preferably the dual hose feed style muffs.

Bill Grannis
service manager



I had to buy the double sided muffs for the 115 - the single doesn't cut
it. The rectangular type seems to also work better than the round ones.
Don't know about the 90 - it's hasn't seen sal****er yet.
I've got the double sided muffs, the best one's West Marine sells, with
water coming to both sides. Maybe the impeller's shot. Today I'm going to
put the engine in a big garbage can, fill the can with water and start the
engine. If I don't get some water from the 'pee hole' then I'll know
something's dicked up with the enging.
--

Salmonbait

Please have someone videotape your putting the engine in a big gargage can.

I don't get warm feelings of confidence from the dealer where you bought
that boat. The few times you have indicated the "advice" he has given
you, it has turned out to be "unusual." You should have bought that
Yamaha from Tri-State. If you had, by now you would know how to properly
fog the engine.

You are probably correct. But, Tri-State didn't sell Key West boats. The
dealer where I bought the boat is not the problem. He's down south of
Tappahanock, about two hours from here. I've been very happy with him.

The local guy is a Yamaha certified repair facility in Dumfries. I got the
name from Yamaha.

Actually, getting the lower unit in a big garbage can is not that big a
deal. Raise the engine, put the garbage can over the lower unit, lower the
engine, and fill the can with water. I don't have a video camera, but I
could take some pictures if you desire.

Now, what about personal insults and name-calling, don't you think it's
time to quit?
--

Salmonbait


Oh...I thought maybe you were going to lift the engine off the boat and
mount it so its lower unit went into a garbage can, like I used to do
back in the 50's with my 1-1/2 hp Eninrude outboard and later with my
Ducktwin.

I'm "conservative" when it comes to expensive toys. I wouldn't mess
around with that engine until I knew exactly what I was doing. I watched
one of "Harvey's Lads" change the oil and filters and winterize my F150.
The side benefit is that those guys back the boat and engine into one of
the big service tanks, hook up the computer, and run the diagnostics, too.

"First...do no harm."

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 08:32:59 -0500, Boater wrote:

Salmonbait wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 08:17:52 -0500, Boater wrote:

Salmonbait wrote:
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:47:53 -0500, D K
wrote:

Billgran wrote:
"John" wrote in message
...

I called the dealer. He said to connect the hose at the flushing
attachment, but not to let the engine get over idle speed.


If the dealer said to use the flusher hose and fitting under the motor's
powerhead, I'd be having a word with that dealer person. The Yamaha owners
manual, service manual, and training seminars state specifically NOT to run
the motor using it. Only run the motor with the "earmuff" type flushers
around the gearcase, preferably the dual hose feed style muffs.

Bill Grannis
service manager



I had to buy the double sided muffs for the 115 - the single doesn't cut
it. The rectangular type seems to also work better than the round ones.
Don't know about the 90 - it's hasn't seen sal****er yet.
I've got the double sided muffs, the best one's West Marine sells, with
water coming to both sides. Maybe the impeller's shot. Today I'm going to
put the engine in a big garbage can, fill the can with water and start the
engine. If I don't get some water from the 'pee hole' then I'll know
something's dicked up with the enging.
--

Salmonbait

Please have someone videotape your putting the engine in a big gargage can.

I don't get warm feelings of confidence from the dealer where you bought
that boat. The few times you have indicated the "advice" he has given
you, it has turned out to be "unusual." You should have bought that
Yamaha from Tri-State. If you had, by now you would know how to properly
fog the engine.

You are probably correct. But, Tri-State didn't sell Key West boats. The
dealer where I bought the boat is not the problem. He's down south of
Tappahanock, about two hours from here. I've been very happy with him.

The local guy is a Yamaha certified repair facility in Dumfries. I got the
name from Yamaha.

Actually, getting the lower unit in a big garbage can is not that big a
deal. Raise the engine, put the garbage can over the lower unit, lower the
engine, and fill the can with water. I don't have a video camera, but I
could take some pictures if you desire.

Now, what about personal insults and name-calling, don't you think it's
time to quit?
--

Salmonbait


Oh...I thought maybe you were going to lift the engine off the boat and
mount it so its lower unit went into a garbage can, like I used to do
back in the 50's with my 1-1/2 hp Eninrude outboard and later with my
Ducktwin.

Don't know what gave you that idea. I had mentioned an engine hoist.


I'm "conservative" when it comes to expensive toys. I wouldn't mess
around with that engine until I knew exactly what I was doing. I watched
one of "Harvey's Lads" change the oil and filters and winterize my F150.
The side benefit is that those guys back the boat and engine into one of
the big service tanks, hook up the computer, and run the diagnostics, too.

"First...do no harm."

When I got an MGB GT back in 1976, I had a choice - be conservative, or
learn. I've always figured that if I break something trying to fix it, then
I'll have a mechanic fix it. Who knows, I may end up taking it to
Tri-State, but not until I've tried.

BTW, you missed the second half of my post: Now, what about personal
insults and name-calling, don't you think it's time to quit?

--

Salmonbait

Salmonbait wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 08:32:59 -0500, Boater wrote:

Salmonbait wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 08:17:52 -0500, Boater wrote:

Salmonbait wrote:
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:47:53 -0500, D K
wrote:

Billgran wrote:
"John" wrote in message
...

I called the dealer. He said to connect the hose at the flushing
attachment, but not to let the engine get over idle speed.


If the dealer said to use the flusher hose and fitting under the motor's
powerhead, I'd be having a word with that dealer person. The Yamaha owners
manual, service manual, and training seminars state specifically NOT to run
the motor using it. Only run the motor with the "earmuff" type flushers
around the gearcase, preferably the dual hose feed style muffs.

Bill Grannis
service manager



I had to buy the double sided muffs for the 115 - the single doesn't cut
it. The rectangular type seems to also work better than the round ones.
Don't know about the 90 - it's hasn't seen sal****er yet.
I've got the double sided muffs, the best one's West Marine sells, with
water coming to both sides. Maybe the impeller's shot. Today I'm going to
put the engine in a big garbage can, fill the can with water and start the
engine. If I don't get some water from the 'pee hole' then I'll know
something's dicked up with the enging.
--

Salmonbait
Please have someone videotape your putting the engine in a big gargage can.

I don't get warm feelings of confidence from the dealer where you bought
that boat. The few times you have indicated the "advice" he has given
you, it has turned out to be "unusual." You should have bought that
Yamaha from Tri-State. If you had, by now you would know how to properly
fog the engine.
You are probably correct. But, Tri-State didn't sell Key West boats. The
dealer where I bought the boat is not the problem. He's down south of
Tappahanock, about two hours from here. I've been very happy with him.

The local guy is a Yamaha certified repair facility in Dumfries. I got the
name from Yamaha.

Actually, getting the lower unit in a big garbage can is not that big a
deal. Raise the engine, put the garbage can over the lower unit, lower the
engine, and fill the can with water. I don't have a video camera, but I
could take some pictures if you desire.

Now, what about personal insults and name-calling, don't you think it's
time to quit?
--

Salmonbait

Oh...I thought maybe you were going to lift the engine off the boat and
mount it so its lower unit went into a garbage can, like I used to do
back in the 50's with my 1-1/2 hp Eninrude outboard and later with my
Ducktwin.

Don't know what gave you that idea. I had mentioned an engine hoist.


I'm "conservative" when it comes to expensive toys. I wouldn't mess
around with that engine until I knew exactly what I was doing. I watched
one of "Harvey's Lads" change the oil and filters and winterize my F150.
The side benefit is that those guys back the boat and engine into one of
the big service tanks, hook up the computer, and run the diagnostics, too.

"First...do no harm."

When I got an MGB GT back in 1976, I had a choice - be conservative, or
learn. I've always figured that if I break something trying to fix it, then
I'll have a mechanic fix it. Who knows, I may end up taking it to
Tri-State, but not until I've tried.

BTW, you missed the second half of my post: Now, what about personal
insults and name-calling, don't you think it's time to quit?

--

Salmonbait


The problem with these damned modern outboards is that the "breakage"
can be very, very expensive to fix.

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:00:06 -0500, Boater wrote:

Salmonbait wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 08:32:59 -0500, Boater wrote:

Salmonbait wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 08:17:52 -0500, Boater wrote:

Salmonbait wrote:
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:47:53 -0500, D K
wrote:

Billgran wrote:
"John" wrote in message
...

I called the dealer. He said to connect the hose at the flushing
attachment, but not to let the engine get over idle speed.


If the dealer said to use the flusher hose and fitting under the motor's
powerhead, I'd be having a word with that dealer person. The Yamaha owners
manual, service manual, and training seminars state specifically NOT to run
the motor using it. Only run the motor with the "earmuff" type flushers
around the gearcase, preferably the dual hose feed style muffs.

Bill Grannis
service manager



I had to buy the double sided muffs for the 115 - the single doesn't cut
it. The rectangular type seems to also work better than the round ones.
Don't know about the 90 - it's hasn't seen sal****er yet.
I've got the double sided muffs, the best one's West Marine sells, with
water coming to both sides. Maybe the impeller's shot. Today I'm going to
put the engine in a big garbage can, fill the can with water and start the
engine. If I don't get some water from the 'pee hole' then I'll know
something's dicked up with the enging.
--

Salmonbait
Please have someone videotape your putting the engine in a big gargage can.

I don't get warm feelings of confidence from the dealer where you bought
that boat. The few times you have indicated the "advice" he has given
you, it has turned out to be "unusual." You should have bought that
Yamaha from Tri-State. If you had, by now you would know how to properly
fog the engine.
You are probably correct. But, Tri-State didn't sell Key West boats. The
dealer where I bought the boat is not the problem. He's down south of
Tappahanock, about two hours from here. I've been very happy with him.

The local guy is a Yamaha certified repair facility in Dumfries. I got the
name from Yamaha.

Actually, getting the lower unit in a big garbage can is not that big a
deal. Raise the engine, put the garbage can over the lower unit, lower the
engine, and fill the can with water. I don't have a video camera, but I
could take some pictures if you desire.

Now, what about personal insults and name-calling, don't you think it's
time to quit?
--

Salmonbait

Oh...I thought maybe you were going to lift the engine off the boat and
mount it so its lower unit went into a garbage can, like I used to do
back in the 50's with my 1-1/2 hp Eninrude outboard and later with my
Ducktwin.

Don't know what gave you that idea. I had mentioned an engine hoist.


I'm "conservative" when it comes to expensive toys. I wouldn't mess
around with that engine until I knew exactly what I was doing. I watched
one of "Harvey's Lads" change the oil and filters and winterize my F150.
The side benefit is that those guys back the boat and engine into one of
the big service tanks, hook up the computer, and run the diagnostics, too.

"First...do no harm."

When I got an MGB GT back in 1976, I had a choice - be conservative, or
learn. I've always figured that if I break something trying to fix it, then
I'll have a mechanic fix it. Who knows, I may end up taking it to
Tri-State, but not until I've tried.

BTW, you missed the second half of my post: Now, what about personal
insults and name-calling, don't you think it's time to quit?

--

Salmonbait


The problem with these damned modern outboards is that the "breakage"
can be very, very expensive to fix.

BTW, you missed the second half of my post: Now, what about personal
insults and name-calling, don't you think it's time to quit?

True, but it's only money. I'd rather be giving it to someone who's working
than someone who's not. So far I've been lucky. I never took the MG to the
shop for something I screwed up. My Moto Guzzi has been in the shop only
one time in the eighteen years I've owned it. And that was 'cause I was too
lazy to change a seal.

I may go up to Tri-State today, if they're open. I think I'll buy a service
manual. This operator's manual sucks.
--

Salmonbait

Salmonbait wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:00:06 -0500, Boater wrote:

Salmonbait wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 08:32:59 -0500, Boater wrote:

Salmonbait wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 08:17:52 -0500, Boater wrote:

Salmonbait wrote:
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:47:53 -0500, D K
wrote:

Billgran wrote:
"John" wrote in message
...

I called the dealer. He said to connect the hose at the flushing
attachment, but not to let the engine get over idle speed.


If the dealer said to use the flusher hose and fitting under the motor's
powerhead, I'd be having a word with that dealer person. The Yamaha owners
manual, service manual, and training seminars state specifically NOT to run
the motor using it. Only run the motor with the "earmuff" type flushers
around the gearcase, preferably the dual hose feed style muffs.

Bill Grannis
service manager



I had to buy the double sided muffs for the 115 - the single doesn't cut
it. The rectangular type seems to also work better than the round ones.
Don't know about the 90 - it's hasn't seen sal****er yet.
I've got the double sided muffs, the best one's West Marine sells, with
water coming to both sides. Maybe the impeller's shot. Today I'm going to
put the engine in a big garbage can, fill the can with water and start the
engine. If I don't get some water from the 'pee hole' then I'll know
something's dicked up with the enging.
--

Salmonbait
Please have someone videotape your putting the engine in a big gargage can.

I don't get warm feelings of confidence from the dealer where you bought
that boat. The few times you have indicated the "advice" he has given
you, it has turned out to be "unusual." You should have bought that
Yamaha from Tri-State. If you had, by now you would know how to properly
fog the engine.
You are probably correct. But, Tri-State didn't sell Key West boats. The
dealer where I bought the boat is not the problem. He's down south of
Tappahanock, about two hours from here. I've been very happy with him.

The local guy is a Yamaha certified repair facility in Dumfries. I got the
name from Yamaha.

Actually, getting the lower unit in a big garbage can is not that big a
deal. Raise the engine, put the garbage can over the lower unit, lower the
engine, and fill the can with water. I don't have a video camera, but I
could take some pictures if you desire.

Now, what about personal insults and name-calling, don't you think it's
time to quit?
--

Salmonbait
Oh...I thought maybe you were going to lift the engine off the boat and
mount it so its lower unit went into a garbage can, like I used to do
back in the 50's with my 1-1/2 hp Eninrude outboard and later with my
Ducktwin.

Don't know what gave you that idea. I had mentioned an engine hoist.


I'm "conservative" when it comes to expensive toys. I wouldn't mess
around with that engine until I knew exactly what I was doing. I watched
one of "Harvey's Lads" change the oil and filters and winterize my F150.
The side benefit is that those guys back the boat and engine into one of
the big service tanks, hook up the computer, and run the diagnostics, too.

"First...do no harm."
When I got an MGB GT back in 1976, I had a choice - be conservative, or
learn. I've always figured that if I break something trying to fix it, then
I'll have a mechanic fix it. Who knows, I may end up taking it to
Tri-State, but not until I've tried.

BTW, you missed the second half of my post: Now, what about personal
insults and name-calling, don't you think it's time to quit?

--

Salmonbait

The problem with these damned modern outboards is that the "breakage"
can be very, very expensive to fix.

BTW, you missed the second half of my post: Now, what about personal
insults and name-calling, don't you think it's time to quit?

True, but it's only money. I'd rather be giving it to someone who's working
than someone who's not. So far I've been lucky. I never took the MG to the
shop for something I screwed up. My Moto Guzzi has been in the shop only
one time in the eighteen years I've owned it. And that was 'cause I was too
lazy to change a seal.

I may go up to Tri-State today, if they're open. I think I'll buy a service
manual. This operator's manual sucks.
--

Salmonbait


Call first. The service department is closed on Sundays, but the parts
department is open. They might have to order the shop manual for you; it
is unlikely they or any other dealer stocks all the various shop
manuals. They'll need your motor serial number to order the right manual.

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:19:46 -0500, Boater wrote:

BTW, you missed the second half of my post: Now, what about personal
insults and name-calling, don't you think it's time to quit?

--

Salmonbait

Salmonbait wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:19:46 -0500, Boater wrote:

BTW, you missed the second half of my post: Now, what about personal
insults and name-calling, don't you think it's time to quit?

--

Salmonbait


You think it was accidental? I ask because you are repeating yourself.
What conclusions might you draw from this?

Boater wrote:
Salmonbait wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 08:17:52 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Salmonbait wrote:
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:47:53 -0500, D K
wrote:

Billgran wrote:
"John" wrote in message
...

I called the dealer. He said to connect the hose at the flushing
attachment, but not to let the engine get over idle speed.


If the dealer said to use the flusher hose and fitting under the
motor's powerhead, I'd be having a word with that dealer person.
The Yamaha owners manual, service manual, and training seminars
state specifically NOT to run the motor using it. Only run the
motor with the "earmuff" type flushers around the gearcase,
preferably the dual hose feed style muffs.

Bill Grannis
service manager



I had to buy the double sided muffs for the 115 - the single
doesn't cut it. The rectangular type seems to also work better
than the round ones. Don't know about the 90 - it's hasn't seen
sal****er yet.
I've got the double sided muffs, the best one's West Marine sells, with
water coming to both sides. Maybe the impeller's shot. Today I'm
going to
put the engine in a big garbage can, fill the can with water and
start the
engine. If I don't get some water from the 'pee hole' then I'll know
something's dicked up with the enging.
--

Salmonbait

Please have someone videotape your putting the engine in a big
gargage can.

I don't get warm feelings of confidence from the dealer where you
bought that boat. The few times you have indicated the "advice" he
has given you, it has turned out to be "unusual." You should have
bought that Yamaha from Tri-State. If you had, by now you would know
how to properly fog the engine.

You are probably correct. But, Tri-State didn't sell Key West boats. The
dealer where I bought the boat is not the problem. He's down south of
Tappahanock, about two hours from here. I've been very happy with him.

The local guy is a Yamaha certified repair facility in Dumfries. I got
the
name from Yamaha.
Actually, getting the lower unit in a big garbage can is not that big a
deal. Raise the engine, put the garbage can over the lower unit, lower
the
engine, and fill the can with water. I don't have a video camera, but I
could take some pictures if you desire.

Now, what about personal insults and name-calling, don't you think it's
time to quit?
--

Salmonbait


Oh...I thought maybe you were going to lift the engine off the boat and
mount it so its lower unit went into a garbage can, like I used to do
back in the 50's with my 1-1/2 hp Eninrude outboard and later with my
Ducktwin.

I'm "conservative" when it comes to expensive toys. I wouldn't mess
around with that engine until I knew exactly what I was doing. I watched
one of "Harvey's Lads" change the oil and filters and winterize my F150.
The side benefit is that those guys back the boat and engine into one of
the big service tanks, hook up the computer, and run the diagnostics, too.

"First...do no harm."


WAFA defines himself - again.