On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 07:59:36 -0500, Salmonbait
wrote:

On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:47:53 -0500, D K
wrote:

Billgran wrote:
"John" wrote in message
...

I called the dealer. He said to connect the hose at the flushing
attachment, but not to let the engine get over idle speed.



If the dealer said to use the flusher hose and fitting under the motor's
powerhead, I'd be having a word with that dealer person. The Yamaha owners
manual, service manual, and training seminars state specifically NOT to run
the motor using it. Only run the motor with the "earmuff" type flushers
around the gearcase, preferably the dual hose feed style muffs.

Bill Grannis
service manager




I had to buy the double sided muffs for the 115 - the single doesn't cut
it. The rectangular type seems to also work better than the round ones.
Don't know about the 90 - it's hasn't seen sal****er yet.

I've got the double sided muffs, the best one's West Marine sells, with
water coming to both sides. Maybe the impeller's shot. Today I'm going to
put the engine in a big garbage can, fill the can with water and start the
engine. If I don't get some water from the 'pee hole' then I'll know
something's dicked up with the enging.

If you aren't getting any water out of the pee hole with waterUNDER
PRESSURE from the muffs, there is no need to try a garbage can. You
already have the answer.

Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
Salmonbait wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:48:41 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Salmonbait wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:26:59 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Salmonbait wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:19:46 -0500, Boater
wrote:

BTW, you missed the second half of my post: Now, what about
personal
insults and name-calling, don't you think it's time to quit?
--

Salmonbait
You think it was accidental? I ask because you are repeating
yourself.
What conclusions might you draw from this?
I wouldn't mention my conclusions, because I think you'd find them
personally insulting. I'm hoping you'll be man enough to prove my
conclusions wrong.
--

Salmonbait

I'll be delighted to watch your progress in bringing the group
around to your way of thinking. If I notice any *positive* changes
of significance in the behaviors of those I haven't bozo-binned, I
will gladly extend them the same courtesy. This, of course, is
precisely the "deal" I offered previously.

No offense, but I have the feeling *you* think you have an ability
to cajole or negotiate me over to your position. I've told you many
times I will treat others exactly as they treat me, no more, no less.

Now, perhaps you want to work on the others for a few weeks.

Harry, have you forgotten already the post you made not two hours ago?

*******************************
38 ¶ Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye,
and a tooth for a tooth: Ex. 21.24 · Lev. 24.20 · Deut. 19.21
39 but I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever
shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
**************************************

You hold this up as a standard, yet make a statement like, "I will
treat others exactly as they treat me, no more, no less."

No offense, but don't you see just a little hypocrisy in that?
--

Salmonbait


Jesus is your saviour, not mine.

It depends upon who you ask.


Whatever that means.

Have you talked with a Jehovah's Witness lately?

wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 07:59:36 -0500, Salmonbait
wrote:

On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:47:53 -0500, D K
wrote:

Billgran wrote:
"John" wrote in message
...

I called the dealer. He said to connect the hose at the flushing
attachment, but not to let the engine get over idle speed.


If the dealer said to use the flusher hose and fitting under the motor's
powerhead, I'd be having a word with that dealer person. The Yamaha owners
manual, service manual, and training seminars state specifically NOT to run
the motor using it. Only run the motor with the "earmuff" type flushers
around the gearcase, preferably the dual hose feed style muffs.

Bill Grannis
service manager



I had to buy the double sided muffs for the 115 - the single doesn't cut
it. The rectangular type seems to also work better than the round ones.
Don't know about the 90 - it's hasn't seen sal****er yet.
I've got the double sided muffs, the best one's West Marine sells, with
water coming to both sides. Maybe the impeller's shot. Today I'm going to
put the engine in a big garbage can, fill the can with water and start the
engine. If I don't get some water from the 'pee hole' then I'll know
something's dicked up with the enging.

If you aren't getting any water out of the pee hole with waterUNDER
PRESSURE from the muffs, there is no need to try a garbage can. You
already have the answer.



I wonder if customer abuse is covered under the Yamaha warranty? :)

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 08:19:44 -0500, Salmonbait
wrote:

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 08:13:45 -0500, Jim wrote:

Salmonbait wrote:
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:47:53 -0500, D K
wrote:

Billgran wrote:
"John" wrote in message
...

I called the dealer. He said to connect the hose at the flushing
attachment, but not to let the engine get over idle speed.


If the dealer said to use the flusher hose and fitting under the motor's
powerhead, I'd be having a word with that dealer person. The Yamaha owners
manual, service manual, and training seminars state specifically NOT to run
the motor using it. Only run the motor with the "earmuff" type flushers
around the gearcase, preferably the dual hose feed style muffs.

Bill Grannis
service manager



I had to buy the double sided muffs for the 115 - the single doesn't cut
it. The rectangular type seems to also work better than the round ones.
Don't know about the 90 - it's hasn't seen sal****er yet.

I've got the double sided muffs, the best one's West Marine sells, with
water coming to both sides. Maybe the impeller's shot. Today I'm going to
put the engine in a big garbage can, fill the can with water and start the
engine. If I don't get some water from the 'pee hole' then I'll know
something's dicked up with the enging.
--

Salmonbait
There might be something in the pee hole obstructing the flow.

That's what I thought, but if I hook the hose up to the hose attachment on
the engine, water then comes out of the pee hole.

It's very confusing.

No it's not. If you get water from the pee hole when using the hose
attachment and not when supplying water UNDER PRESSURE from the mufs,
its because the hose attachment forces water into everything ABOVE the
bad water pump.

It's really hard to troubleshoot anything if you don't understand the
basics of how to troubleshoot a problem. You need a method. Then you
won't be confused or trying random things that just lead to more
confusion.

BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
Salmonbait wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:48:41 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Salmonbait wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:26:59 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Salmonbait wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:19:46 -0500, Boater
wrote:

BTW, you missed the second half of my post: Now, what about
personal
insults and name-calling, don't you think it's time to quit?
--

Salmonbait
You think it was accidental? I ask because you are repeating
yourself.
What conclusions might you draw from this?
I wouldn't mention my conclusions, because I think you'd find them
personally insulting. I'm hoping you'll be man enough to prove my
conclusions wrong.
--

Salmonbait

I'll be delighted to watch your progress in bringing the group
around to your way of thinking. If I notice any *positive* changes
of significance in the behaviors of those I haven't bozo-binned, I
will gladly extend them the same courtesy. This, of course, is
precisely the "deal" I offered previously.

No offense, but I have the feeling *you* think you have an ability
to cajole or negotiate me over to your position. I've told you
many times I will treat others exactly as they treat me, no more,
no less.

Now, perhaps you want to work on the others for a few weeks.

Harry, have you forgotten already the post you made not two hours ago?

*******************************
38 ¶ Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye,
and a tooth for a tooth: Ex. 21.24 · Lev. 24.20 · Deut. 19.21
39 but I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever
shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
**************************************

You hold this up as a standard, yet make a statement like, "I will
treat others exactly as they treat me, no more, no less."

No offense, but don't you see just a little hypocrisy in that?
--

Salmonbait


Jesus is your saviour, not mine.

It depends upon who you ask.


Whatever that means.

Have you talked with a Jehovah's Witness lately?


Only the occasional ones that show up at my front door, and only briefly.

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 10:52:59 -0500, Boater wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 07:59:36 -0500, Salmonbait
wrote:

On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:47:53 -0500, D K
wrote:

Billgran wrote:
"John" wrote in message
...

I called the dealer. He said to connect the hose at the flushing
attachment, but not to let the engine get over idle speed.


If the dealer said to use the flusher hose and fitting under the motor's
powerhead, I'd be having a word with that dealer person. The Yamaha owners
manual, service manual, and training seminars state specifically NOT to run
the motor using it. Only run the motor with the "earmuff" type flushers
around the gearcase, preferably the dual hose feed style muffs.

Bill Grannis
service manager



I had to buy the double sided muffs for the 115 - the single doesn't cut
it. The rectangular type seems to also work better than the round ones.
Don't know about the 90 - it's hasn't seen sal****er yet.
I've got the double sided muffs, the best one's West Marine sells, with
water coming to both sides. Maybe the impeller's shot. Today I'm going to
put the engine in a big garbage can, fill the can with water and start the
engine. If I don't get some water from the 'pee hole' then I'll know
something's dicked up with the enging.

If you aren't getting any water out of the pee hole with waterUNDER
PRESSURE from the muffs, there is no need to try a garbage can. You
already have the answer.



I wonder if customer abuse is covered under the Yamaha warranty? :)

Highly doubtful. Nor would I expect it to be.
--

Salmonbait

"Salmonbait" wrote in message
...

I've got the double sided muffs, the best one's West Marine sells, with
water coming to both sides. Maybe the impeller's shot. Today I'm going to
put the engine in a big garbage can, fill the can with water and start the
engine. If I don't get some water from the 'pee hole' then I'll know
something's dicked up with the enging.
--


Be sure that the water level in the bucket is at least 1" above the split
where the gearcase is bolted to the exhaust section.

Bill Grannis
service manager

Boater wrote:
Salmonbait wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 08:17:52 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Salmonbait wrote:
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:47:53 -0500, D K
wrote:

Billgran wrote:
"John" wrote in message
...

I called the dealer. He said to connect the hose at the flushing
attachment, but not to let the engine get over idle speed.


If the dealer said to use the flusher hose and fitting under the
motor's powerhead, I'd be having a word with that dealer person.
The Yamaha owners manual, service manual, and training seminars
state specifically NOT to run the motor using it. Only run the
motor with the "earmuff" type flushers around the gearcase,
preferably the dual hose feed style muffs.

Bill Grannis
service manager



I had to buy the double sided muffs for the 115 - the single
doesn't cut it. The rectangular type seems to also work better
than the round ones. Don't know about the 90 - it's hasn't seen
sal****er yet.
I've got the double sided muffs, the best one's West Marine sells, with
water coming to both sides. Maybe the impeller's shot. Today I'm
going to
put the engine in a big garbage can, fill the can with water and
start the
engine. If I don't get some water from the 'pee hole' then I'll know
something's dicked up with the enging.
--

Salmonbait

Please have someone videotape your putting the engine in a big
gargage can.

I don't get warm feelings of confidence from the dealer where you
bought that boat. The few times you have indicated the "advice" he
has given you, it has turned out to be "unusual." You should have
bought that Yamaha from Tri-State. If you had, by now you would know
how to properly fog the engine.

You are probably correct. But, Tri-State didn't sell Key West boats. The
dealer where I bought the boat is not the problem. He's down south of
Tappahanock, about two hours from here. I've been very happy with him.

The local guy is a Yamaha certified repair facility in Dumfries. I got
the
name from Yamaha.
Actually, getting the lower unit in a big garbage can is not that big a
deal. Raise the engine, put the garbage can over the lower unit, lower
the
engine, and fill the can with water. I don't have a video camera, but I
could take some pictures if you desire.

Now, what about personal insults and name-calling, don't you think it's
time to quit?
--

Salmonbait


Oh...I thought maybe you were going to lift the engine off the boat and
mount it so its lower unit went into a garbage can, like I used to do
back in the 50's with my 1-1/2 hp Eninrude outboard and later with my
Ducktwin.

I'm "conservative" when it comes to expensive toys. I wouldn't mess
around with that engine until I knew exactly what I was doing. I watched
one of "Harvey's Lads" change the oil and filters and winterize my F150.
The side benefit is that those guys back the boat and engine into one of
the big service tanks, hook up the computer, and run the diagnostics, too.

"First...do no harm."


WAFA defines himself - again.

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:00:36 -0500, "Billgran" wrote:


"Salmonbait" wrote in message
.. .

I've got the double sided muffs, the best one's West Marine sells, with
water coming to both sides. Maybe the impeller's shot. Today I'm going to
put the engine in a big garbage can, fill the can with water and start the
engine. If I don't get some water from the 'pee hole' then I'll know
something's dicked up with the enging.
--


Be sure that the water level in the bucket is at least 1" above the split
where the gearcase is bolted to the exhaust section.

Bill Grannis
service manager


It came almost to the bottom of the anti-cavitation plate, above the
cooling water inlets. If I were on the muffs, it would only come as high as
the inlet. I don't understand why an increase over that is necessary.
--

Salmonbait

Salmonbait wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:00:36 -0500, "Billgran" wrote:

"Salmonbait" wrote in message
...
I've got the double sided muffs, the best one's West Marine sells, with
water coming to both sides. Maybe the impeller's shot. Today I'm going to
put the engine in a big garbage can, fill the can with water and start the
engine. If I don't get some water from the 'pee hole' then I'll know
something's dicked up with the enging.
--

Be sure that the water level in the bucket is at least 1" above the split
where the gearcase is bolted to the exhaust section.

Bill Grannis
service manager


It came almost to the bottom of the anti-cavitation plate, above the
cooling water inlets. If I were on the muffs, it would only come as high as
the inlet. I don't understand why an increase over that is necessary.
--

Salmonbait

The water level must be above the impeller. When you are on muffs the
water is pushed up to the impeller. When you are in the tank the
inpeller must be submurged in water.