On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:19:34 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

I skipped the meeting, but the Memos showed that Gunner
wrote on Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:39:08
-0800 in alt.machines.cnc :
On 10 Dec 2008 05:02:31 GMT, D Murphy wrote:


It's time to hold a special election for Obama's soon to be vacated
Senate seat.

Special election or special auction? Sounds like if they played it
right, Illinois might get to alleviate some of their financial woes if
they simply put the various offices up for bid.

Only if they did it legally. Unfortunately, Illinois and
particularly Chicago, doesn't see the advantage in being legal. The
interesting historical tidbit is that the incorporation election for
Chicago is suppose to have been swayed by the wholesale importation of
immigrant workers off a nearby canal project. Yep, Chicago is based
on vote fraud from the get-go.

But hey, Barak says he knows nothing about this. I don't know
which is worse, that he doesn't know, or that he believes we'll
believe a Chicago politician.

It was an idea as dumb as a winger & Obama is smart.
QED not involved.
The local dems have been much against the gov
& wondering if he's crazy for some time anyway.
Perhaps they suspected he had become a winger.

HTH
--
Cliff

Cliff wrote in
:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:19:34 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

I skipped the meeting, but the Memos showed that Gunner
wrote on Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:39:08
-0800 in alt.machines.cnc :
On 10 Dec 2008 05:02:31 GMT, D Murphy wrote:


It's time to hold a special election for Obama's soon to be vacated
Senate seat.

Special election or special auction? Sounds like if they played it
right, Illinois might get to alleviate some of their financial woes
if they simply put the various offices up for bid.

Only if they did it legally. Unfortunately, Illinois and
particularly Chicago, doesn't see the advantage in being legal. The
interesting historical tidbit is that the incorporation election for
Chicago is suppose to have been swayed by the wholesale importation of
immigrant workers off a nearby canal project. Yep, Chicago is based
on vote fraud from the get-go.

But hey, Barak says he knows nothing about this. I don't know
which is worse, that he doesn't know, or that he believes we'll
believe a Chicago politician.

It was an idea as dumb as a winger & Obama is smart.
QED not involved.

Smart enough to avoid indictment and not being involved are two totally
different things. Obama is like Daley. Corruption and controversy all
around him, but he manages to avoid being directly involved in it.
Meanwhile his pals are being arrested, convicted, and sent to jail.

The local dems have been much against the gov
& wondering if he's crazy for some time anyway.
Perhaps they suspected he had become a winger.

Utter bull****. Obama worked on both of Blagojevich's gubernatorial
campaigns and Blago enjoyed the Democratics party's support right up until
he was arrested. Now they can't get far enough away from him. Especially
candidates one through five.

According to soon to be White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, he, Blago,
Barack Obama, and David Wilhelm were the chief architects of the
Blagojevich campaign stating that he and Obama "participated in a small
group that met weekly when Rod was running for governor. We basically
laid out the general election, Barack and I and these two."

During that campaign Blagojevich was already under scrutiny from the FBI
and Fitzgerald. Obama's real estate fairy, Tony Rezko, donated money in the
'04 election cycle to Bush in an effort to get Bush to pull Fitzgerald out
of Chicago.

Where's Rahm? Better yet, where's Jim DeLeo? After all he's the man behind
the man for both Rod Blagojevich (D-Self Enrichment) and Rahm Emanuel (D-
Obama). Nothing happens with either Rod or Rahm without DiLeo giving his
OK.

If Obama were any kind of a leader he wouldn't be lying about this scandal
right out of the gate.

"I had no contact with the governor or his office and so we were not, I
was not aware of what was happening." - President-elect Obama (Is that an
"I" or a "we" or both?)

David Axlerod speaking of the President-elect and the open Senate seat -
"I know he's talked to the governor and there are a whole range of names
many of which have surfaced, and I think he has a fondness for a lot of
them."

So who is lying Cliff? Obama or Daley's former right hand man and soon to
be White House Chief of Staff, Axlerod?

If Obama were a leader not only would he have talked to Blagojevich, he
should have. He has zero interest in who is going to take over his Senate
seat? If that really is the case he isn't fit to lead. He should care very
much about who takes the seat and there is absolutely nothing wrong nor
illegal for him as a leader of the party and soon to be leader of the
country to discuss the matter with the governer.

If Blagojevich offered a trade for the seat and if Obama had a single moral
fiber in his body, he should have gone to the Feds and reported it.

Instead, Obama now has the whole transition team working on documenting the
contact that Obama originally said his team never had. Not to mention all
the time they are wasting spinning some sort of yarn to sell the fawning
national media.

BTW, John Harris resigned today. Since you seem to know nothing about
Illinois politics, he was arrested along with Blago and was Blagojevich's
chief of staff. Before he took that job, he was Mayor Daley's go to guy and
budget director. That would be around the same era when Michelle Obama was
Daley's personal assistant and Daley's administration became ensnared in
the "Hired Truck Scandal." IIRC, there were around 50 Democrats convicted
in total due to that scandal and all the other bits of corruption that came
to light as a result of the subsequent investigations. Not to mention the
stray mobsters and gang bangers caught in the net as well. You need them to
encourage people to vote, donate, and shut their yaps.

If you lived here Obama's campaign rhetoric would have sounded old and
tired to you. We've heard it twice before when Rod "The Un-Reformer"
Blagojevich was running for governer.

Some change, huh?

--

Dan

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