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On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:37:35 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:


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On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:54:38 -0500, BAR wrote:

Why did anyone ever pay for AOL?
There was a time when it was only Prodigy and AOL, before there
really
was an internet, from the consumer standpoint. It was all proprietary
software and captive content. Other than that you just had local BBS
services. If you traveled you wanted something with national
coverage.
It still is about the most stable ISP. The rest came and went with
too
much frequency to actually give anyone your Email address and have it
be useful a year later. Even now I can still use my 15 year old AOL
address but my Mediaone address is dead, as is the successor
Roadrunner (ended up Comcast), Sprint then Earthlink, ended up
Embarq.
and a half dozen other places that I had accounts with. (RIP)

The software stopped being stable when they incorporated Internet
Explorer as the browser and W/9x. Prior to that it was rock solid. I
used to use the W/3.1 version to test communication on machines that
had suspected software problems since it didn't have to be
"installed"
and it would run straight from a diskette.

Before Prodigy and AOL there was Compuserve and GEnie. Same stuff,
just
earlier.

Actually there was ARPA net for a lot of us.

Heh - In '78, I was at BBN working on a joint project for the US Navy
(which is how I met Admn. Grace Hooper who was there consulting with
BBN on a DEC implementation) and as it happened, Ray Tomlinson was
involved in our project. I asked him point blank if he really didn't
know what he sent as the first remote email message and he grinned and
said he didn't have a clue.

I was told later on by somebody who was, in theory "in the know", that
it was a very naughty joke. :)

Did the storied Admn Grace have her piece of string with her? 8)

Can't say, but...I did ask for her if she happened to have a spare
nanosecond and she grinned and gave me one.

It's framed, autographed and in my office. :)

Years ago, she was about 80 I believe, she spoke to a group of us engineers
at Bells Labs. Quite an interesting lady.

On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 04:55:36 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:


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On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:37:35 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:


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On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:01:17 -0800, "Calif Bill"
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"Mike" wrote in message
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On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:54:38 -0500, BAR wrote:

Why did anyone ever pay for AOL?
There was a time when it was only Prodigy and AOL, before there
really
was an internet, from the consumer standpoint. It was all proprietary
software and captive content. Other than that you just had local BBS
services. If you traveled you wanted something with national
coverage.
It still is about the most stable ISP. The rest came and went with
too
much frequency to actually give anyone your Email address and have it
be useful a year later. Even now I can still use my 15 year old AOL
address but my Mediaone address is dead, as is the successor
Roadrunner (ended up Comcast), Sprint then Earthlink, ended up
Embarq.
and a half dozen other places that I had accounts with. (RIP)

The software stopped being stable when they incorporated Internet
Explorer as the browser and W/9x. Prior to that it was rock solid. I
used to use the W/3.1 version to test communication on machines that
had suspected software problems since it didn't have to be
"installed"
and it would run straight from a diskette.

Before Prodigy and AOL there was Compuserve and GEnie. Same stuff,
just
earlier.

Actually there was ARPA net for a lot of us.

Heh - In '78, I was at BBN working on a joint project for the US Navy
(which is how I met Admn. Grace Hooper who was there consulting with
BBN on a DEC implementation) and as it happened, Ray Tomlinson was
involved in our project. I asked him point blank if he really didn't
know what he sent as the first remote email message and he grinned and
said he didn't have a clue.

I was told later on by somebody who was, in theory "in the know", that
it was a very naughty joke. :)

Did the storied Admn Grace have her piece of string with her? 8)

Can't say, but...I did ask for her if she happened to have a spare
nanosecond and she grinned and gave me one.

It's framed, autographed and in my office. :)

Years ago, she was about 80 I believe, she spoke to a group of us engineers
at Bells Labs. Quite an interesting lady.

Brilliant and quite down to Earth. Funny too - she spoke at a
conference sponsored by DEC, DG and Prime and had the place in
stitches with her stories.

A lot of folks just don't understand how important some of the early
female scientists were to the building of the computer industry -
Hooper, Jean Sammet, Barbara Liskof, Karen Jones - the list goes on.

Hell, when you think about it, Hedy Lamarr who had the original idea
about spread spectrum communications is partly responsible also. :)

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On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 04:55:36 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:


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On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:37:35 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:


"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:01:17 -0800, "Calif Bill"
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"Mike" wrote in message
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On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:54:38 -0500, BAR wrote:

Why did anyone ever pay for AOL?
There was a time when it was only Prodigy and AOL, before there
really
was an internet, from the consumer standpoint. It was all
proprietary
software and captive content. Other than that you just had local
BBS
services. If you traveled you wanted something with national
coverage.
It still is about the most stable ISP. The rest came and went with
too
much frequency to actually give anyone your Email address and have
it
be useful a year later. Even now I can still use my 15 year old AOL
address but my Mediaone address is dead, as is the successor
Roadrunner (ended up Comcast), Sprint then Earthlink, ended up
Embarq.
and a half dozen other places that I had accounts with. (RIP)

The software stopped being stable when they incorporated Internet
Explorer as the browser and W/9x. Prior to that it was rock solid.
I
used to use the W/3.1 version to test communication on machines
that
had suspected software problems since it didn't have to be
"installed"
and it would run straight from a diskette.

Before Prodigy and AOL there was Compuserve and GEnie. Same stuff,
just
earlier.

Actually there was ARPA net for a lot of us.

Heh - In '78, I was at BBN working on a joint project for the US Navy
(which is how I met Admn. Grace Hooper who was there consulting with
BBN on a DEC implementation) and as it happened, Ray Tomlinson was
involved in our project. I asked him point blank if he really didn't
know what he sent as the first remote email message and he grinned and
said he didn't have a clue.

I was told later on by somebody who was, in theory "in the know", that
it was a very naughty joke. :)

Did the storied Admn Grace have her piece of string with her? 8)

Can't say, but...I did ask for her if she happened to have a spare
nanosecond and she grinned and gave me one.

It's framed, autographed and in my office. :)

Years ago, she was about 80 I believe, she spoke to a group of us
engineers
at Bells Labs. Quite an interesting lady.

Brilliant and quite down to Earth. Funny too - she spoke at a
conference sponsored by DEC, DG and Prime and had the place in
stitches with her stories.

A lot of folks just don't understand how important some of the early
female scientists were to the building of the computer industry -
Hooper, Jean Sammet, Barbara Liskof, Karen Jones - the list goes on.

Hell, when you think about it, Hedy Lamarr who had the original idea
about spread spectrum communications is partly responsible also. :)

There was a problem though. Adm Hooper was traveling around the country at
tax payer expense. Some folks don't appreciate that. 8)

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On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 04:55:36 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:37:35 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:01:17 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"Mike" wrote in message
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On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:54:38 -0500, BAR wrote:

Why did anyone ever pay for AOL?
There was a time when it was only Prodigy and AOL, before there
really
was an internet, from the consumer standpoint. It was all
proprietary
software and captive content. Other than that you just had local
BBS
services. If you traveled you wanted something with national
coverage.
It still is about the most stable ISP. The rest came and went with
too
much frequency to actually give anyone your Email address and have
it
be useful a year later. Even now I can still use my 15 year old AOL
address but my Mediaone address is dead, as is the successor
Roadrunner (ended up Comcast), Sprint then Earthlink, ended up
Embarq.
and a half dozen other places that I had accounts with. (RIP)

The software stopped being stable when they incorporated Internet
Explorer as the browser and W/9x. Prior to that it was rock solid.
I
used to use the W/3.1 version to test communication on machines
that
had suspected software problems since it didn't have to be
"installed"
and it would run straight from a diskette.
Before Prodigy and AOL there was Compuserve and GEnie. Same stuff,
just
earlier.
Actually there was ARPA net for a lot of us.
Heh - In '78, I was at BBN working on a joint project for the US Navy
(which is how I met Admn. Grace Hooper who was there consulting with
BBN on a DEC implementation) and as it happened, Ray Tomlinson was
involved in our project. I asked him point blank if he really didn't
know what he sent as the first remote email message and he grinned and
said he didn't have a clue.

I was told later on by somebody who was, in theory "in the know", that
it was a very naughty joke. :)
Did the storied Admn Grace have her piece of string with her? 8)
Can't say, but...I did ask for her if she happened to have a spare
nanosecond and she grinned and gave me one.

It's framed, autographed and in my office. :)
Years ago, she was about 80 I believe, she spoke to a group of us
engineers
at Bells Labs. Quite an interesting lady.
Brilliant and quite down to Earth. Funny too - she spoke at a
conference sponsored by DEC, DG and Prime and had the place in
stitches with her stories.

A lot of folks just don't understand how important some of the early
female scientists were to the building of the computer industry -
Hooper, Jean Sammet, Barbara Liskof, Karen Jones - the list goes on.

Hell, when you think about it, Hedy Lamarr who had the original idea
about spread spectrum communications is partly responsible also. :)

There was a problem though. Adm Hooper was traveling around the country at
tax payer expense. Some folks don't appreciate that. 8)

Adm Hooper did more to advance computer programming the just about
anyone else in the late 50's and early 60's. She was a great ambassodor
of the Defense Department to the defense contracting industry and the
rest of the federal government too.

On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:18:36 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

There was a problem though. Adm Hooper was traveling around the country at
tax payer expense. Some folks don't appreciate that. 8)

Tough - that was her job.

And she followed through for the American Taxpayer in spectacular
fashion.

Unlike...em...er...

Well, we'll leave it at that. :)