On Aug 9, 11:15 pm, GeorgeWashingtonAdmirer
wrote:
What do you expect when quick-buck-artist contractors hire illegal aliens
who typically use a dozen aliases, are drunk and/or high, and who not even
the police know the true names of, right off the street or the parking lot
of a Home Depot?

As early as a few years ago I was posting links to a Consumer Reports
article about this very issue, which even at that junture was emerging as a
serious issue. It was OBVIOUS even then, to anyone with any sense, that
down the road there was going to be a national epidemic of serious
construction problems with the perhaps millions of new illegal-alien-bult
homes that sprouted across the USA during the heady "to-hell-with-the-law"
1990s and into the new millennium.

While understandably frustrated, the homeowners who bought such crappy
illegal-alien-assembled houses should be thankful if the illegals who built
their houses don't return to the scene of their labor to rape, rob or
murder them (there are LOTS of news reports of ilegal alien "day laborers"
raping, robbing and murdering those who hired them -- seewww.daylaborers.orgor perform your own online serach, for example).

I'm reminded of a GREAT video at YouTube (and probably other websites) of
a trained, experienced, skilled Mexican-American construction worker giving
an OUTSTANDING speech -- on-site at a construction site which uses illegal
aliens -- exactly on this whole issue. I hope someone can post a link to
it, or remind me of the man's name, for in my opinion he's the salt of the
earth, a GREAT American, and the kind of Mexican-AMERICAN I *thought* I was
going to find in California, as opposed to the "For The Race Everything,
for those outside The Race nothing" anti-American, ¡Mexico First! illegal
aliens who've flooded the region.
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You Call This a Home?

The next boom for builders may be complaints from angry homeowners

By MARA DER HOVANESIAN
BusinessWeek Online

Residents of a new housing development in South Carolina fear that fumes
from contaminated soil have caused dizziness and blackouts. In Colorado,
homeowners say they were led to believe they'd enjoy a recreational lake
that never materialized, causing property values to slip. As the housing
slump worsens, U.S. homebuilders increasingly find themselves fending off
complaints of shoddy construction, unsavory sales tactics, and use of
unsafe land.

There's no definitive gauge of consumer sentiment toward builders, but
several signs point to growing unease. The annual new-home satisfaction
surveys done by J.D. Power & Associates, which like BusinessWeek is a unit
of The McGraw-Hill Companies, showed customer attitudes improving from 2001
to 2004 and then leveling off. But last year's survey, released in
September, showed a 7 percent increase in the number of construction-defect
complaints per home.

Criterium Engineers, a Portland, Maine building-inspection service active
in 35 states, found that from 2003 to 2006 the number of new homes with
"significant problems" rose more than 13 percent. A public fund in Nevada
created to settle builder complaints paid claims of nearly $1.2 million in
2006, up from $234,000 in 2003.

This is only the beginning, says Ronald T. Kozlowski, a property casualty
actuary with the consulting firm Towers Perrin in San Francisco. "Right now
you're seeing the construction claims start to come in," he says, "but
it'll take five to seven years" to get a full measure of the angry fallout.
Anti-builder Web sites are proliferating, and two consumer groups,
HomeOwners for Better Building and Homeowners Against Deficient Dwellings,
are compiling online lists of beefs against developers.

Whenever there's a rush of building as there has been over the last five
years, complaints are sure to follow. Some can be written off to
unrealistic expectations. The National Association of Home Builders says 55
percent of customer grievances concern caulking, paint, and other nitpicky
issues. This time the grumbling may be exacerbated by frustration over
developers' lending practices. And in areas where home values are dropping,
every chipped tile is infuriating.

[GWA note: Notice how the pro-corporate Business Week article tries to
minimize the American home buyers' complaints, even suggesting that
homeowners stuck with expensive but crappy, shoddily-built homes are
"nitpicking" out of spite! Yet NO MENTION WHATSOEVER of the proverbial
"elephant in the living room": connecting the construction problems to
*those* *who* *did* *the* *constructing*!]

Builders have inoculated themselves effectively against customers taking
their objections to court. Homeowners generally don't have the right to
sue; their only legal recourse is arbitration, as required in most sales
contracts.

[GWA note: So in the "America" of 2007 the ILLEGAL ALIENS who built the
shoddily-constructed houses can sue entire U.S. cities (does the name
"Hazleton, Pennsylvania" ring a bell?) but AMERICANS themselves CAN'T use
the same legal system to sue!]

Contracts also typically prohibit customers from disclosing problems to
the media or prospective buyers. Better Business Bureaus aren't always
helpful, because builders can simply drop out. Four big builders
voluntarily left Houston's BBB in 2004 and 2005, for example. And builders
are only lightly regulated, primarily by state and local authorities.

Even so, consumers are becoming increasingly vocal in their complaints.
Clyde M. and Tracy D. Singleton, a couple in their 50s from Shepherdstown,
W.Va., say that one month after they moved into their new $409,000 house
last October, the basement filled with sewage a foot deep. Tracy says the
couple spent three months in a hotel before their developer, Reston,
Va.-based NVR Inc., got the place cleaned up. The Singletons have resisted
arbitration. Instead they have alleged in a suit pending in federal court
in Martinsburg, W.Va., that NVR failed to put in an underground shut-off
valve to prevent sewage from backing up into their house. The plaintiffs
claim that since the valve should have been installed outside of their
home, the dispute isn't covered by the arbitration clause in their
contract.

NVR counters in a motion to dismiss the suit that the action lacks any
merit. The Singletons have "failed to allege any facts" indicating that the
company "unreasonably used its property" to harm the plaintiffs, NVR
argues.

Lennar Corp. another large builder, has drawn scrutiny in South Carolina.
Residents of its new Pebble Creek development in North Charleston, such as
Bill and Holly Hurley, say they have suffered from light-headedness,
lethargy, and depression. Home inspections they commissioned showed unsafe
levels of methane gas, which the Hurleys and others fear may be linked to
possible soil contamination by a previous land owner.

Miami-based Lennar says in a written statement that it "hired a
consulting firm before the land was developed and found no evidence of
recognized environmental conditions" at that time. Playing down health
concerns, Lennar acknowledges that methane has seeped out of "broken sewer
pipes and improperly seated toilets," which it says it has now repaired.
The ultimate source of the gas hasn't been determined, however. The company
has bought back one house as a result of the controversy.

Lennar perceives another cause for anxiety in Pebble Creek. Its general
counsel, Mark Sustana, says in an interview that buyers are aggravated over
seeing their investments depreciate as the housing boom has given way to a
bust.

http://realestate.aol.com/article/_a...me/20070806142...
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PLEASE EMAIL THESE LINKS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW:

"The Illegal-Alien Crime Wave" by Heather MacDonaldwww.City-Journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html

http://www.PredatoryAliens.comwww.Im...a lAliens.org
See the COLOSSAL costs of illegal aliens to the American taxpayer:www.ImmigrationCounters.com
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"Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada"
("For The Race everything, for those outside The Race nothing")

-- Motto of MEChA, one of the nation's largest publically-funded
organizations with cells on high school and college campuses across the USA
(Note: Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez says he "used to be" a member)
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"How Eisenhower solved illegal border crossings from Mexico"
By John Dillinhttp://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0706/p09s01-coop.html

Excerpt:

"General Eisenhower ... quoted a report in The New York Times,
highlighting one paragraph that said: 'The rise in illegal border-crossing
by Mexican 'wetbacks' to a current rate of more than
1,000,000 cases a year has been accompanied by a curious relaxation
in ethical standards extending all the way from the farmer-exploiters
of this contraband labor to the highest levels of the Federal
Government ..."

"Herbert Brownell Jr., Eisenhower's first attorney general, said the
president had a sense of urgency about illegal immigration when he took
office.

"America 'was faced with a breakdown in law enforcement on a very large
scale,' Mr. Brownell said. 'When I say large scale, I mean hundreds of
thousands were coming in from Mexico [every year] without restraint.'"
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Just two of MANY American cops murdered by illegals:www.DeputyDavidMarch.comwww.KrisEggle.org

"Unfortunately, the majority of illegal aliens who are here are engaged in
criminal activity. Identity theft, use of fraudulent Social Security
numbers and green cards, tax evasion, driving without licenses represent
some of the crimes that are engaged in by the ...

read more »

Everything these mestizoes touch turns to crap.
And never deal with an employer of illegal aliens.

ted

http://www.newnation.org/ New Nation News

On Aug 10, 10:09 am, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:44:17 -0700, greg3347
wrote:



Everything these mestizoes touch turns to crap.
And never deal with an employer of illegal aliens.

ted

I was an inspector for 8 years. The Mexicans usually did better work
that the anglo drunks who showed up for these jobs. Kids in the US are
not interested in working outside in the hot sun these days. If you
want white guys you end up with ex-cons, druggies and drunks who can't
get a job anywhere else.
I do not condine hiring "illegals" but if you depended on the anglos
to build houses you would never get them built and they would cost
$500 a square foot. I would blame the "suits" for the lousy quality of
new homes, not the labor. They will buy the cheapest crap available
and design to absolute "hold your nose" minimum , even when they are
building million dollar houses. At the corporate level the only
"pride" is pride in a good bottom line.

My thinking, exactly. God knows this list alone provides ample
evidence of the shoddy work often done by 100% born-in-the-USA, legal-
from-birth, idiots passing themselves off as builders, tradesmen,
skilled laborers, etc.

Why do you think President Bush keeps working to legalize illegal
immigrants? Because he's such a nice guy and feels sorry for the
struggling masses? NO, it's because U.S. businesses of many stripes
(building, maintenance, farming) depend on them for cheap labor, and
he's trying to cut the "suits" a break by shoring up their supply line
for same.

Jo Ann

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:09:56 -0400, wrote:

Mexicans usually did better work
that the anglo drunks who showed up for these jobs.

You bet.

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:44:17 -0700, greg3347
wrote:


Everything these mestizoes touch turns to crap.
And never deal with an employer of illegal aliens.

ted

I was an inspector for 8 years. The Mexicans usually did better work
that the anglo drunks who showed up for these jobs. Kids in the US are
not interested in working outside in the hot sun these days. If you
want white guys you end up with ex-cons, druggies and drunks who can't
get a job anywhere else.

You must have been one lousy inspector then because the houses that beaners
built are falling apart from basic construction flaws.

I do not condine hiring "illegals" but if you depended on the anglos

Obviously you do condone the practice.

to build houses you would never get them built and they would cost
$500 a square foot. I would blame the "suits" for the lousy quality of

That's pure BS. There are plenty of quality builders in the US who use
American construction labor with excellent results.

new homes, not the labor. They will buy the cheapest crap available
and design to absolute "hold your nose" minimum , even when they are
building million dollar houses. At the corporate level the only
"pride" is pride in a good bottom line.

The lousy construction is directly attributable to crooked "inspectors" who
pocket $200.00 and sign off on flawed work.

wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:44:17 -0700, greg3347
wrote:

Everything these mestizoes touch turns to crap.
And never deal with an employer of illegal aliens.

ted

I was an inspector for 8 years. The Mexicans usually did better work
that the anglo drunks who showed up for these jobs. Kids in the US are
not interested in working outside in the hot sun these days. If you
want white guys you end up with ex-cons, druggies and drunks who can't
get a job anywhere else.
I do not condine hiring "illegals" but if you depended on the anglos
to build houses you would never get them built and they would cost
$500 a square foot. I would blame the "suits" for the lousy quality of
new homes, not the labor. They will buy the cheapest crap available
and design to absolute "hold your nose" minimum , even when they are
building million dollar houses. At the corporate level the only
"pride" is pride in a good bottom line.


Since new single-family house construction in my part of the world is
not unionized, you can easily end up with builders whose subs do little
more than hire pick-up labor off the nearest shape-up. There is a
tremendous amount of gross profit available in building the typical
single-family house, so the suits try to figure out ways to maximize it
all at the expense of the buyers.

For the highly skilled trades -electrical, plumbing, masonry- I can call
the union business agents and get a retired or out of work journeyman to
work on my house, or sometimes some apprentices nearing completion of
their years of work-study. For carpentry around here, the best
workmanship, sobriety, and pricing is available from the Amish who work
outside their community.

I don't fault "illegals" for doing anything legally possible to earn
bucks and feed their families. I fault those who hire illegals and
others who haven't the skillsets to do the work properly.

Why is this bull**** continually cross-posted by dickless morons?

On Aug 10, 2:59 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:09:56 -0400, wrote:
Mexicans usually did better work
that the anglo drunks who showed up for these jobs.

You bet.

Yup, I have worked with illegals in my time, they will do exactly what
they are told to do, will work as well as the boss tells them to. Also
worked with a all American crew, we had the drunk, the junkie, and a
total asshole for a boss that would not let us take the time to even
line stuff up right. It made me sick, I actually quit cause I could
not let my name be associated with the crew. Funny thing is this was
the "king tut" crew, in a prestigeous, white, neighborhood, just
outside NYC.
I asked a hispanic co-worker one time why he ran so fast all day. His
answer changed my thinking forever, I was about 19. He looked at me
and said in very broken english, "you can go out any day and get a
job. I have only been here 1 year and don't speak well yet, I have
three kids and a wife, and do not want to go out job hunting again, I
will just work hard here and keep this job." Honestly, I am sure he
was legal, we were both in the union, huge grocery chain, but that has
also been the attitude of most of the illegal's and qustionables I
have worked with in my lifetime too.

On Aug 11, 10:16 am, wrote:
On Aug 10, 2:59 pm, Wayne.B wrote:

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:09:56 -0400, wrote:
Mexicans usually did better work
that the anglo drunks who showed up for these jobs.

You bet.

Yup, I have worked with illegals in my time, they will do exactly what
they are told to do, will work as well as the boss tells them to. Also
worked with a all American crew, we had the drunk, the junkie, and a
total asshole for a boss that would not let us take the time to even
line stuff up right. It made me sick, I actually quit cause I could
not let my name be associated with the crew. Funny thing is this was
the "king tut" crew, in a prestigeous, white, neighborhood, just
outside NYC.
I asked a hispanic co-worker one time why he ran so fast all day. His
answer changed my thinking forever, I was about 19. He looked at me
and said in very broken english, "you can go out any day and get a
job. I have only been here 1 year and don't speak well yet, I have
three kids and a wife, and do not want to go out job hunting again, I
will just work hard here and keep this job." Honestly, I am sure he
was legal, we were both in the union, huge grocery chain, but that has
also been the attitude of most of the illegal's and qustionables I
have worked with in my lifetime too.

This is really a political discussion thread about immigration; legal
or otherwise.
We can probably all come up with good/bad examples; coloured somewhat
by our political (and sometimes not well thought out) prejudices!
As an immigrant myself some 50+ years ago, when post-war North America
was 'looking for' immigrants and places such as Australia and New
Zealand were paying passage for whole immigrant families (I could'a
gone there and been paid to do so! Maybe it would have been a better
choice?), I offer the following comment.
Immigrants have to prove themselves; they are either coming from less
fortunate circumstances or have just the pride of surviving and
'making it', to themselves and others, in this new society.
For example: Many years later I met the Chinese guy who used to wash
my shirts on the bottom floor of his house, back in 1958. He by then
owned several buildings including a restaurant and provided employment
for quite a few people. His English still wasn't very good; but good
luck to him and his hard work.
Another; a young Greek man worked his way through a North American
Engineering degree, at a very menial job, then married here and
brought up a family. Today his daughter is one of the leading lights
at a major university!
After a few generations some of us get lazy and acquire the wrong
expectation that "The world owes us a living" just because we live in
a certain location or have a particular nationality.
That's BS. And as other parts of the world develop, India, China and
eventually perhaps Africa, we will all find out it's one planet and
its resources.
Just because, perhaps, someones grandparent plowed with oxen, or
picked tea by hand, does not mean they cannot be a smart, modern,
intelligent upstanding citizen of any country.
Maybe my descendants will emigrate to other parts of the world and
have to put up with the same changes and perhaps prejudices that we
immigrants have done so, more recently? I have some confidence they
will more than cope!
Good luck to us all; immigrant, descendant of immigrant, native
person, aboriginal peoples etc. OK?

wrote:

On Aug 10, 2:59 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:09:56 -0400, wrote:
Mexicans usually did better work
that the anglo drunks who showed up for these jobs.

You bet.

Yup, I have worked with illegals in my time, they will do exactly what
they are told to do, will work as well as the boss tells them to. Also
worked with a all American crew, we had the drunk, the junkie, and a
total asshole for a boss that would not let us take the time to even
line stuff up right. It made me sick, I actually quit cause I could
not let my name be associated with the crew. Funny thing is this was
the "king tut" crew, in a prestigeous, white, neighborhood, just
outside NYC.
I asked a hispanic co-worker one time why he ran so fast all day. His
answer changed my thinking forever, I was about 19. He looked at me
and said in very broken english, "you can go out any day and get a
job. I have only been here 1 year and don't speak well yet, I have
three kids and a wife, and do not want to go out job hunting again, I
will just work hard here and keep this job." Honestly, I am sure he
was legal, we were both in the union, huge grocery chain, but that has
also been the attitude of most of the illegal's and qustionables I
have worked with in my lifetime too.

If those are the type examples you want to spout you are full of
bull****. Talk to people along the border and ask them how for they
will trust and illegal alien. Ask him if he's been able to keep his
home secure. If you want to talk about what upstanding citizens you
want us to believe they are you are short on facts and long on
bull****.

Top

On Aug 12, 2:28 am, Top wrote:
wrote:
On Aug 10, 2:59 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:09:56 -0400, wrote:
Mexicans usually did better work
that the anglo drunks who showed up for these jobs.

You bet.

Yup, I have worked with illegals in my time, they will do exactly what
they are told to do, will work as well as the boss tells them to. Also
worked with a all American crew, we had the drunk, the junkie, and a
total asshole for a boss that would not let us take the time to even
line stuff up right. It made me sick, I actually quit cause I could
not let my name be associated with the crew. Funny thing is this was
the "king tut" crew, in a prestigeous, white, neighborhood, just
outside NYC.
I asked a hispanic co-worker one time why he ran so fast all day. His
answer changed my thinking forever, I was about 19. He looked at me
and said in very broken english, "you can go out any day and get a
job. I have only been here 1 year and don't speak well yet, I have
three kids and a wife, and do not want to go out job hunting again, I
will just work hard here and keep this job." Honestly, I am sure he
was legal, we were both in the union, huge grocery chain, but that has
also been the attitude of most of the illegal's and qustionables I
have worked with in my lifetime too.

If those are the type examples you want to spout you are full of
bull****. Talk to people along the border and ask them how for they
will trust and illegal alien. Ask him if he's been able to keep his
home secure. If you want to talk about what upstanding citizens you
want us to believe they are you are short on facts and long on
bull****.

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Wow, aren't you an internet hero! Listen kid, I read your profile,
seems you don't really have anything to add anyway, so go back to your
cartoons. Look!! There's SpongeBob over there