"Boater" wrote in message
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I'm looking forward to the $700 billion to $1 trillion we'll be spending
on infrastructure and other improvements.


I wish I shared your confidence and enthusiasm.

I see the very real probability of a trillion dollars worth of over-budget,
behind schedule major projects, laced with bribes, corruption and kickbacks.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

I'm looking forward to the $700 billion to $1 trillion we'll be spending
on infrastructure and other improvements.


I wish I shared your confidence and enthusiasm.

I see the very real probability of a trillion dollars worth of over-budget,
behind schedule major projects, laced with bribes, corruption and kickbacks.

Eisboch




You mean, another war against Iraq?

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:49:31 -0500, Eisboch wrote:

"Boater" wrote in message
...


I'm looking forward to the $700 billion to $1 trillion we'll be
spending on infrastructure and other improvements.


I wish I shared your confidence and enthusiasm.

I see the very real probability of a trillion dollars worth of
over-budget, behind schedule major projects, laced with bribes,
corruption and kickbacks.

Well, we have been neglecting our infrastructure. Properly managed, this
program could kill two birds, kick starting the economy, and, bringing
our roads, bridges, and schools, up to snuff. I don't know about you,
but I find collapsing bridges down right embarrassing. ;-)

Not properly managed, well, that would be pretty much business as usual.
I have considerable hope Obama can properly manage.

wrote:
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:49:31 -0500, Eisboch wrote:

"Boater" wrote in message
...

I'm looking forward to the $700 billion to $1 trillion we'll be
spending on infrastructure and other improvements.

I wish I shared your confidence and enthusiasm.

I see the very real probability of a trillion dollars worth of
over-budget, behind schedule major projects, laced with bribes,
corruption and kickbacks.

Well, we have been neglecting our infrastructure. Properly managed, this
program could kill two birds, kick starting the economy, and, bringing
our roads, bridges, and schools, up to snuff. I don't know about you,
but I find collapsing bridges down right embarrassing. ;-)

Not properly managed, well, that would be pretty much business as usual.
I have considerable hope Obama can properly manage.


Every commercial construction job provides jobs for seven to 10 other
workers.

On Dec 10, 3:22*pm, Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:49:31 -0500, Eisboch wrote:

"Boater" wrote in message
...

I'm looking forward to the $700 billion to $1 trillion we'll be
spending on infrastructure and other improvements.

I wish I shared your confidence and enthusiasm.

I see the very real probability of a trillion dollars worth of
over-budget, behind schedule major projects, laced with bribes,
corruption and kickbacks.

Well, we have been neglecting our infrastructure. *Properly managed, this
program could kill two birds, kick starting the economy, and, bringing
our roads, bridges, and schools, up to snuff. *I don't know about you,
but I find collapsing bridges down right embarrassing. ;-)

Not properly managed, well, that would be pretty much business as usual.. *
I have considerable hope Obama can properly manage.

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Every Union job provides for seven to 10 watchers...

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On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:49:31 -0500, Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

I'm looking forward to the $700 billion to $1 trillion we'll be
spending on infrastructure and other improvements.

I wish I shared your confidence and enthusiasm.

I see the very real probability of a trillion dollars worth of
over-budget, behind schedule major projects, laced with bribes,
corruption and kickbacks.

Well, we have been neglecting our infrastructure. Properly managed, this
program could kill two birds, kick starting the economy, and, bringing
our roads, bridges, and schools, up to snuff. I don't know about you,
but I find collapsing bridges down right embarrassing. ;-)

Not properly managed, well, that would be pretty much business as usual.
I have considerable hope Obama can properly manage.

The infrastructure plan will do nothing for the immediate economic
problem. Infrastructure plans require a considerable amount of data to
be collected on the site, design of the structure, implement the
logistics, and finally the construction phase.

Examples of infrastructure projects. The trade center in New York. It
has been 7 years since 9-11. There have been many design projects put
forth and to my knowledge not one pound of concrete has been poured to
replace the building.

The Interstate highway project was initiated by President Eisenhower and
approved in 1956. While the majority of the roads were in by the mid
1970's there are parts of this project that are still not completed.

Planning for the Blue Ridge parkway started in 1933. Construction
started 1835. two thirds was completed by 1941. Most was completed by
1960. The final part, the Linn Cove Viaduct, was completed in 1987.

I enjoy these facilities but as can be seen, even if started today there
would be know benefit in the near future.

From what I have seen management and obama in the same sentence is an
oxymoron

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:05:53 -0500, Keith nuttle wrote:


The infrastructure plan will do nothing for the immediate economic
problem. Infrastructure plans require a considerable amount of data to
be collected on the site, design of the structure, implement the
logistics, and finally the construction phase.

Except in this case, one of the prerequisites is the projects must be
ready to go. Most states have projects just waiting for the funding.

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:11:30 -0600, wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:05:53 -0500, Keith nuttle wrote:


The infrastructure plan will do nothing for the immediate economic
problem. Infrastructure plans require a considerable amount of data to
be collected on the site, design of the structure, implement the
logistics, and finally the construction phase.

Except in this case, one of the prerequisites is the projects must be
ready to go. Most states have projects just waiting for the funding.

Maybe they'll even get around to dredging the ICW properly. They could
start tomorrow.

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On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:50:41 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:35:04 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:27:36 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:42:56 -0500, wrote:

Maybe they'll even get around to dredging the ICW properly. They could
start tomorrow.
They could start applying for the permits tomorrow but I doubt any
muck will move for a couple years ... at last around here.
Nope, they could start VERY quickly. All they lack is funding. As the
trickle of money comes in, they have been doing what they can.
You must not have Department of Environmental Protection there.
You can't do anything in the water here without a permit and that
process drags on forever. If you dig up the bottom somewhere they
usually want some kind of mitigation somewhere else. Dredging projects
usually get coupled to sea grass restoration or something. All of that
negotiation takes a lot of time.

Army Corps of Engineers is not a private party wanting to do some new
development. Dredging the ICW is part of their REGULAR functions
whenever they have the resources to go and do it. There is no
permitting delay, as this is ongoing maintenance that is already
cleared. In fact, it's federally mandated work. The highway department
similarly does not need any permits to fill pot holes or replace
damaged stop signs.

But, the Corps needs a permit to deposit the dredgings someplace. And,
they don't get permits with open ended dates. Besides every
environmental organization will take any and every opportunity to stop
the dredging to save any and all wild life.

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:21:23 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:08:47 -0500, BAR wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:50:41 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:35:04 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:27:36 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:42:56 -0500, wrote:

Maybe they'll even get around to dredging the ICW properly. They could
start tomorrow.
They could start applying for the permits tomorrow but I doubt any
muck will move for a couple years ... at last around here.
Nope, they could start VERY quickly. All they lack is funding. As the
trickle of money comes in, they have been doing what they can.
You must not have Department of Environmental Protection there.
You can't do anything in the water here without a permit and that
process drags on forever. If you dig up the bottom somewhere they
usually want some kind of mitigation somewhere else. Dredging projects
usually get coupled to sea grass restoration or something. All of that
negotiation takes a lot of time.

Army Corps of Engineers is not a private party wanting to do some new
development. Dredging the ICW is part of their REGULAR functions
whenever they have the resources to go and do it. There is no
permitting delay, as this is ongoing maintenance that is already
cleared. In fact, it's federally mandated work. The highway department
similarly does not need any permits to fill pot holes or replace
damaged stop signs.

But, the Corps needs a permit to deposit the dredgings someplace. And,
they don't get permits with open ended dates. Besides every
environmental organization will take any and every opportunity to stop
the dredging to save any and all wild life.

They have been doing this for decades with no serious problems. It's
ongoing scheduled maintenance, mandated by congress. See if you can
wrap your puny mind around that and figure out what it means.

They could start this work TOMORROW.

....puny little mind...??

From you???

The same Salty who wrote:

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On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:34:09 -0400, wrote:

Lets hear some more about how you like to f**k your grandson in the
a$$ in exchange for a ride on grampys motorcycle.
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Of course, you didn't change any spellings, and Donnie didn't even complain
about the language!

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John