On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:33:10 -0500, Boater
wrote:

RG wrote:
RG's comment about black and white photos seems to be a universal
sentiment, you either love 'em or they do nothing for you.

That's absolutely true. It's typically a strong personal preference. When
I look at a black & white photograph, I usually, but not always, will wonder
what it would look like in color.

Are you one of those who likes the colorization of Casablanca?

I'll bet you are.

....or the first 10 minutes of the Wizard of Oz

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
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On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:55:57 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Dec 6, 7:24 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 06:10:44 -0700, "RG" wrote:

Do we have wormsign?

ROTFL!!!

No - no worm sign.

No Spice either dammit. :)

"He who controls the Spice controls the universe".

Did you see either of the movies?

Personally, I liked the Lynch version a little better than the TV mini
movie.

Hmmm.

You mean the movie that contains a sisterhood of concubines,and some
flying fat guy with and eccentric doctor treating his oozing pustules.
An almost dead guy biting a poisonous gas pill and breathing on the
wrong dude.(oops!) Not to mention giant worms getting leashed and
ridden into a war that's being fought by people who is looking into
and operating a machine reminiscent to an antique penny arcade peep-
show, especially being led by Jose Ferrer who is gawking into the
viewfinder like he's watching Gypsy Rose Lee. And that's not counting
the fat blob of a thing that lives in a giant coffin-like closet that
oozes sweat on the fine marble floor? Oh, and Sting looking like a *#%
$ and yelling "What is truth!" ??

You forgot about the homosexual nuance of the flying fat guy with the
oozing pustules nephew and his "cadre" of muscled fighting "partners"
and the themes of religion in which the Bene Gesserit used it as a
tool allowing politicians and the state to manipulate religious
beliefs for their own advantage and how Paul Atredies took advantage
of the Bene Gesserit's manipulation of Fremen religion while
simultaneously fearing and reviling having to do so which was
completely out of context in the film as compared to the novel.

that movie?

Yeah - that one.

--

"An idealist is one who, on noticing that
a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes
that it will also make better soup."

H.L. Mencken

That movie, that made little sense unless you read the book. That movie?
When Dune first came out, was discussing it with a flight attendant while
traversing the world. She had seen it and made just that comment. Unless
you read the book, you would not really understand the movie.

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
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On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 18:48:52 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Dec 6, 8:39 pm, Tim wrote:
On Dec 6, 8:18 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports



wrote:
On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:55:57 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Dec 6, 7:24 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 06:10:44 -0700, "RG" wrote:

Do we have wormsign?

ROTFL!!!

No - no worm sign.

No Spice either dammit. :)

"He who controls the Spice controls the universe".

Did you see either of the movies?

Personally, I liked the Lynch version a little better than the TV
mini
movie.

Hmmm.

You mean the movie that contains a sisterhood of concubines,and some
flying fat guy with and eccentric doctor treating his oozing
pustules.
An almost dead guy biting a poisonous gas pill and breathing on the
wrong dude.(oops!) Not to mention giant worms getting leashed and
ridden into a war that's being fought by people who is looking into
and operating a machine reminiscent to an antique penny arcade peep-
show, especially being led by Jose Ferrer who is gawking into the
viewfinder like he's watching Gypsy Rose Lee. And that's not counting
the fat blob of a thing that lives in a giant coffin-like closet that
oozes sweat on the fine marble floor? Oh, and Sting looking like a
*#%
$ and yelling "What is truth!" ??

You forgot about the homosexual nuance of the flying fat guy with the
oozing pustules nephew and his "cadre" of muscled fighting "partners"
and the themes of religion in which the Bene Gesserit used it as a
tool allowing politicians and the state to manipulate religious
beliefs for their own advantage and how Paul Atredies took advantage
of the Bene Gesserit's manipulation of Fremen religion while
simultaneously fearing and reviling having to do so which was
completely out of context in the film as compared to the novel.

that movie?

Yeah - that one.


Tom I wasn't wanting to clutter it up with the finer details. BTW,
I'm still trying to figure out how they roped those giant suckers.

PS, you wanna fine critique "Zardoz" next?

Sure, although the best critique I ever read of "Zardoz" was pretty
extravagant.

"Worst. Movie. Ever."

Pretty much sums it up.

Glad I missed that movie. Just saw a pic of Connery in red in the movie.
Ewwwwww....

On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:37:33 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
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On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:55:57 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Dec 6, 7:24 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 06:10:44 -0700, "RG" wrote:

Do we have wormsign?

ROTFL!!!

No - no worm sign.

No Spice either dammit. :)

"He who controls the Spice controls the universe".

Did you see either of the movies?

Personally, I liked the Lynch version a little better than the TV mini
movie.

Hmmm.

You mean the movie that contains a sisterhood of concubines,and some
flying fat guy with and eccentric doctor treating his oozing pustules.
An almost dead guy biting a poisonous gas pill and breathing on the
wrong dude.(oops!) Not to mention giant worms getting leashed and
ridden into a war that's being fought by people who is looking into
and operating a machine reminiscent to an antique penny arcade peep-
show, especially being led by Jose Ferrer who is gawking into the
viewfinder like he's watching Gypsy Rose Lee. And that's not counting
the fat blob of a thing that lives in a giant coffin-like closet that
oozes sweat on the fine marble floor? Oh, and Sting looking like a *#%
$ and yelling "What is truth!" ??

You forgot about the homosexual nuance of the flying fat guy with the
oozing pustules nephew and his "cadre" of muscled fighting "partners"
and the themes of religion in which the Bene Gesserit used it as a
tool allowing politicians and the state to manipulate religious
beliefs for their own advantage and how Paul Atredies took advantage
of the Bene Gesserit's manipulation of Fremen religion while
simultaneously fearing and reviling having to do so which was
completely out of context in the film as compared to the novel.

that movie?

Yeah - that one.

That movie, that made little sense unless you read the book. That movie?
When Dune first came out, was discussing it with a flight attendant while
traversing the world. She had seen it and made just that comment. Unless
you read the book, you would not really understand the movie.

"Dune" was the most pretentious pile of crap ever written. The only
reason Herbert got away with it was because of the brain dead nerds
who lived in their mother's basements all their lives discovered
something other than cement walls.

Almost as bad as George R.R. Martin and/or Robert Jordan.

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
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On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:37:33 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
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On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:55:57 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Dec 6, 7:24 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 06:10:44 -0700, "RG" wrote:

Do we have wormsign?

ROTFL!!!

No - no worm sign.

No Spice either dammit. :)

"He who controls the Spice controls the universe".

Did you see either of the movies?

Personally, I liked the Lynch version a little better than the TV mini
movie.

Hmmm.

You mean the movie that contains a sisterhood of concubines,and some
flying fat guy with and eccentric doctor treating his oozing pustules.
An almost dead guy biting a poisonous gas pill and breathing on the
wrong dude.(oops!) Not to mention giant worms getting leashed and
ridden into a war that's being fought by people who is looking into
and operating a machine reminiscent to an antique penny arcade peep-
show, especially being led by Jose Ferrer who is gawking into the
viewfinder like he's watching Gypsy Rose Lee. And that's not counting
the fat blob of a thing that lives in a giant coffin-like closet that
oozes sweat on the fine marble floor? Oh, and Sting looking like a *#%
$ and yelling "What is truth!" ??

You forgot about the homosexual nuance of the flying fat guy with the
oozing pustules nephew and his "cadre" of muscled fighting "partners"
and the themes of religion in which the Bene Gesserit used it as a
tool allowing politicians and the state to manipulate religious
beliefs for their own advantage and how Paul Atredies took advantage
of the Bene Gesserit's manipulation of Fremen religion while
simultaneously fearing and reviling having to do so which was
completely out of context in the film as compared to the novel.

that movie?

Yeah - that one.

That movie, that made little sense unless you read the book. That movie?
When Dune first came out, was discussing it with a flight attendant while
traversing the world. She had seen it and made just that comment. Unless
you read the book, you would not really understand the movie.

"Dune" was the most pretentious pile of crap ever written. The only
reason Herbert got away with it was because of the brain dead nerds
who lived in their mother's basements all their lives discovered
something other than cement walls.

Almost as bad as George R.R. Martin and/or Robert Jordan.

Was not the worst. Was bad, but at least it had some different scenarios
than so much of the later SciFi crap. Worst was Heinlein and Friday.

On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:04:21 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
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On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:37:33 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
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On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:55:57 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Dec 6, 7:24 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 06:10:44 -0700, "RG" wrote:

Do we have wormsign?

ROTFL!!!

No - no worm sign.

No Spice either dammit. :)

"He who controls the Spice controls the universe".

Did you see either of the movies?

Personally, I liked the Lynch version a little better than the TV mini
movie.

Hmmm.

You mean the movie that contains a sisterhood of concubines,and some
flying fat guy with and eccentric doctor treating his oozing pustules.
An almost dead guy biting a poisonous gas pill and breathing on the
wrong dude.(oops!) Not to mention giant worms getting leashed and
ridden into a war that's being fought by people who is looking into
and operating a machine reminiscent to an antique penny arcade peep-
show, especially being led by Jose Ferrer who is gawking into the
viewfinder like he's watching Gypsy Rose Lee. And that's not counting
the fat blob of a thing that lives in a giant coffin-like closet that
oozes sweat on the fine marble floor? Oh, and Sting looking like a *#%
$ and yelling "What is truth!" ??

You forgot about the homosexual nuance of the flying fat guy with the
oozing pustules nephew and his "cadre" of muscled fighting "partners"
and the themes of religion in which the Bene Gesserit used it as a
tool allowing politicians and the state to manipulate religious
beliefs for their own advantage and how Paul Atredies took advantage
of the Bene Gesserit's manipulation of Fremen religion while
simultaneously fearing and reviling having to do so which was
completely out of context in the film as compared to the novel.

that movie?

Yeah - that one.

That movie, that made little sense unless you read the book. That movie?
When Dune first came out, was discussing it with a flight attendant while
traversing the world. She had seen it and made just that comment. Unless
you read the book, you would not really understand the movie.

"Dune" was the most pretentious pile of crap ever written. The only
reason Herbert got away with it was because of the brain dead nerds
who lived in their mother's basements all their lives discovered
something other than cement walls.

Almost as bad as George R.R. Martin and/or Robert Jordan.

Was not the worst.

Yeah it was.

Was bad, but at least it had some different scenarios
than so much of the later SciFi crap. Worst was Heinlein and Friday.

Friday sucked too, but not to the level of Dune, Dune Redeaux, Dune
Lunch, Dune Supper, Dune Squared, Dune Cubed, Dune Diddily Dune Dune
Dune - Dune Dune.

There has been a lot of bad sci-fi written even by the Masters -
that's a given.

NOTHING comes close to Dune for pure, out right suckatitude.

Nothing.

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
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On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:04:21 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
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On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:37:33 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
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On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:55:57 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Dec 6, 7:24 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 06:10:44 -0700, "RG" wrote:

Do we have wormsign?

ROTFL!!!

No - no worm sign.

No Spice either dammit. :)

"He who controls the Spice controls the universe".

Did you see either of the movies?

Personally, I liked the Lynch version a little better than the TV
mini
movie.

Hmmm.

You mean the movie that contains a sisterhood of concubines,and some
flying fat guy with and eccentric doctor treating his oozing pustules.
An almost dead guy biting a poisonous gas pill and breathing on the
wrong dude.(oops!) Not to mention giant worms getting leashed and
ridden into a war that's being fought by people who is looking into
and operating a machine reminiscent to an antique penny arcade peep-
show, especially being led by Jose Ferrer who is gawking into the
viewfinder like he's watching Gypsy Rose Lee. And that's not counting
the fat blob of a thing that lives in a giant coffin-like closet that
oozes sweat on the fine marble floor? Oh, and Sting looking like a *#%
$ and yelling "What is truth!" ??

You forgot about the homosexual nuance of the flying fat guy with the
oozing pustules nephew and his "cadre" of muscled fighting "partners"
and the themes of religion in which the Bene Gesserit used it as a
tool allowing politicians and the state to manipulate religious
beliefs for their own advantage and how Paul Atredies took advantage
of the Bene Gesserit's manipulation of Fremen religion while
simultaneously fearing and reviling having to do so which was
completely out of context in the film as compared to the novel.

that movie?

Yeah - that one.

That movie, that made little sense unless you read the book. That
movie?
When Dune first came out, was discussing it with a flight attendant
while
traversing the world. She had seen it and made just that comment.
Unless
you read the book, you would not really understand the movie.

"Dune" was the most pretentious pile of crap ever written. The only
reason Herbert got away with it was because of the brain dead nerds
who lived in their mother's basements all their lives discovered
something other than cement walls.

Almost as bad as George R.R. Martin and/or Robert Jordan.

Was not the worst.

Yeah it was.

Was bad, but at least it had some different scenarios
than so much of the later SciFi crap. Worst was Heinlein and Friday.

Friday sucked too, but not to the level of Dune, Dune Redeaux, Dune
Lunch, Dune Supper, Dune Squared, Dune Cubed, Dune Diddily Dune Dune
Dune - Dune Dune.

There has been a lot of bad sci-fi written even by the Masters -
that's a given.

NOTHING comes close to Dune for pure, out right suckatitude.

Nothing.

OK. When is your life story coming out as a Sci Fi novel? Star travel,
supreme being, whoa, Number 1 with a bullet.

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:58:08 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

Was bad, but at least it had some different scenarios
than so much of the later SciFi crap. Worst was Heinlein and Friday.

Friday sucked too, but not to the level of Dune, Dune Redeaux, Dune
Lunch, Dune Supper, Dune Squared, Dune Cubed, Dune Diddily Dune Dune
Dune - Dune Dune.

There has been a lot of bad sci-fi written even by the Masters -
that's a given.

NOTHING comes close to Dune for pure, out right suckatitude.

In 66 I met Heinlein. He said that Stranger proved the he would do
anything for money. So after that, what do you expect?

As for Dune, et al it sounds like Louis L'Amour, who wrote ten novels
each repeated twenty times. I read Dune as a serial in Analog, during
the brief period that it was full sized. Five parts. Maybe it
remembers better than it reads. I passed on son of dune and the rest
of them.

Casady

On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:35:02 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote:

In 66 I met Heinlein. He said that Stranger proved the he would do
anything for money. So after that, what do you expect?

Well...um...er....yeah. :)

I've heard other authors that the Golden Age of SciFi died with
Stranger. They might be right.

Ever read the '91 version that his wife Virginia published?

As for Dune, et al it sounds like Louis L'Amour, who wrote ten novels
each repeated twenty times.

ROTFL!!!

I read Dune as a serial in Analog, during
the brief period that it was full sized. Five parts. Maybe it
remembers better than it reads. I passed on son of dune and the rest
of them.

I made it through Dune - slowly and with many false starts.

Never even attempted the rest of them.

I view Dune as George RR Martin meets Robert Jordan meets Terry
Brooks. :)