So, what 'cha think?
 

RG wrote:
RG's comment about black and white photos seems to be a universal
sentiment, you either love 'em or they do nothing for you.

That's absolutely true. It's typically a strong personal preference. When
I look at a black & white photograph, I usually, but not always, will wonder
what it would look like in color.

Are you one of those who likes the colorization of Casablanca?

I'll bet you are.

So, what 'cha think?
 

On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:33:10 -0500, Boater wrote:

RG wrote:
RG's comment about black and white photos seems to be a universal
sentiment, you either love 'em or they do nothing for you.

That's absolutely true. It's typically a strong personal preference. When
I look at a black & white photograph, I usually, but not always, will wonder
what it would look like in color.

Are you one of those who likes the colorization of Casablanca?

I'll bet you are.

Must you attempt to throw personal insults at everyone?
--
John H.

So, what 'cha think?
 

JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:33:10 -0500, Boater wrote:

RG wrote:
RG's comment about black and white photos seems to be a universal
sentiment, you either love 'em or they do nothing for you.
That's absolutely true. It's typically a strong personal preference. When
I look at a black & white photograph, I usually, but not always, will wonder
what it would look like in color.
Are you one of those who likes the colorization of Casablanca?

I'll bet you are.

Must you attempt to throw personal insults at everyone?


D'oh.

That really went over your head, Herring.

I was referring to the colorization of the black and white movie,
Casablanca.

Get it?

Jesus.

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On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:54:47 -0500, Boater wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:33:10 -0500, Boater wrote:

RG wrote:
RG's comment about black and white photos seems to be a universal
sentiment, you either love 'em or they do nothing for you.
That's absolutely true. It's typically a strong personal preference. When
I look at a black & white photograph, I usually, but not always, will wonder
what it would look like in color.
Are you one of those who likes the colorization of Casablanca?

I'll bet you are.

Must you attempt to throw personal insults at everyone?


D'oh.

That really went over your head, Herring.

I was referring to the colorization of the black and white movie,
Casablanca.

Get it?

Jesus.

Yes, I knew to what you were referring. If your comment was *not* meant to
be insulting, then I apologize for my reply.
--
John H.

So, what 'cha think?
 

On Dec 6, 7:21*am, "RG" wrote:
RG's comment about black and white photos seems to be a universal
sentiment, you either love 'em or they do nothing for you.

That's absolutely true. *It's typically a strong personal preference. *When
I look at a black & white photograph, I usually, but not always, will wonder
what it would look like in color. *Conversely, when I look at a color
photograph, I never wonder what it would look like in black & white.
However, there are exceptions. *I thought your horse photograph was perfect
for black & white, and I never asked myself the color question on that one.
I thought lack & white was the natural choice for that image. *That doesn't
happen very often for me. *Tom, on the other hand, has a strong calling
toward grayscale images. *Different strokes, it's all good.

personal preforance, maybe. But it seems that cemetery head stone pics
are always best in BW.

So, what 'cha think?
 

On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 07:50:25 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 22:05:56 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
http://www.swsports.org/images/_C050199.jpg
Nice texture and mood photo, but I really like this one:

http://www.swsports.org/images/Dune_BW.jpg

I liked that one too, but it needs more tinkering - I haven't quite
got the shading right.

I've got a few more from my trip to Mystic yesterday that I like.

Work on 'em when I've got some time.


RG's comment about black and white photos seems to be a universal
sentiment, you either love 'em or they do nothing for you. The entire
photo club membership voted on the best photos of the year last night.
Every photo that took a 1st, 2nd or 3rd in the monthly photo reviews
were included in the vote. There are always 3 categories every month.
Digital submissions (those projected on a screen), color and B&W prints.
At my table, I voted for 3 B&W photos, they all told a story or
highlighted a mood.

Russ is absoutely dead on - you either like them or you don't.

Part of my problem, not that it's a "problem" per se just an
annoyance, is that I've lost touch with my creative muse, if you will,
and I'm trying to redevelop a feel for B&W. I know how to compose a
good photograph, I know how to work with a negative, how to compensate
for exposure - all the goodies - I can look at other images and really
critique with the best of them from an artistic and technical
viewpoint, but I've lost something along the way in the transition
from film to digital - I'm just not getting it for some reason.

So it's back to the basics - light meters, manual exposures and
relying on "feel" rather than what the camera can produce if left on
it's own. And that means grayscale which, to tell the truth, is my
first preference - Russ is also right on that score.

It's long been my opinon that anybody who really wants to get into
photography, both action, scenic and portrait, needs to work strictly
in grayscale until they get an overall feel for what makes a good
photograph.

Thus, I'm going to be experimenting with grayscale for a while.

Everyone else at my table voted for color wide
angle sunrise or sunset professional quality landscapes photos or
exceptional color photos of very interesting people or ones that told a
story of the person. The first place photo was a wide angle shot of
horses running through a mountain field and a patch of trees, with the
fog highlighting the red sunrise. I thought the photo was nice, but in
my mind, it was far from the best photo.

Oh boy - I wrote poor Russ after looking at some of this upcoming
images - 2500 words on the very same subject - story telling and how
images and photographs should tell a story. Or if they dont' tell a
story, they should suggest one.

I think Russ gave up at one point. :)

I didn't vote for my "artistic nude" horse, because I really didn't
think it was one of the best. It tied for 3rd place for the year, there
were enough people who like a different B&W image to give my over
photo-shopped horse a 3rd place over the other 108 submissions. With
about 60 people voting for their top 3 photos out of 108 submissions,
the first place photos, only had about 15 votes. I really don't know
how many votes my photo had, but it was enough for a 3rd.

Well, that's a situation you can't do anything about. Unfortunately,
the sharp commercial image will always win out over an image with
technical and artistic values because that's what everybody has been
exposed to and expects in their own images.

Sunsets drive me nuts actually. It's not like you don't see them
overy other day or so. Most of the time they are over processed or
HDRed to death, but that's what people expect to see. Most are heavy
handed crap to me.

As I said, I really take photos I like, but it is a plus when someone
else likes them.

That's what it's all about.

And, as I said to Russ (in another 2500 word monograph on the
philosophy of taking a photograph versus an image - poor guy, felt
sorry for him), I can't make decisions for you as I wasn't there and I
can't speak to what you were feeling, seeing or experiencing. Nor
should I. What I can do is comment on the nature of the technical
aspects and composition and how it affected me, but that may not work
for you.

It's something that missing from the photographic teaching syllabus of
instructors. It's not all about technique, it's about telling a story
through composition, technique and impression.

And I'm not going to go through that again. :)

--

"An idealist is one who, on noticing that
a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes
that it will also make better soup."

H.L. Mencken

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On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 06:10:44 -0700, "RG" wrote:


Do we have wormsign?

ROTFL!!!

No - no worm sign.

No Spice either dammit. :)

"He who controls the Spice controls the universe".

"If wishes were fishes, we'd all cast nets."

--

"An idealist is one who, on noticing that
a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes
that it will also make better soup."

H.L. Mencken

So, what 'cha think?
 

On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:33:10 -0500, Boater
wrote:

RG wrote:
RG's comment about black and white photos seems to be a universal
sentiment, you either love 'em or they do nothing for you.

That's absolutely true. It's typically a strong personal preference. When
I look at a black & white photograph, I usually, but not always, will wonder
what it would look like in color.

Are you one of those who likes the colorization of Casablanca?

I'll bet you are.

That's one instance where it worked to good effect.

And you can still take your pick of which one to watch.

Can't beat that.

Plus, noir can be overdone. There were a lot of crap noir style
movies.

--

"Do what you can, with what you
have, where you are."

Theodore Roosevelt.

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On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:17:34 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 06:10:44 -0700, "RG" wrote:


Do we have wormsign?

ROTFL!!!

No - no worm sign.

No Spice either dammit. :)

"He who controls the Spice controls the universe".

"If wishes were fishes, we'd all cast nets."

"**** in one hand and wish in the other. See which gets fullest fastest."
--
John H.

So, what 'cha think?
 

On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:46:52 -0500, JohnH
wrote:

On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:17:34 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 06:10:44 -0700, "RG" wrote:


Do we have wormsign?

ROTFL!!!

No - no worm sign.

No Spice either dammit. :)

"He who controls the Spice controls the universe".

"If wishes were fishes, we'd all cast nets."

"**** in one hand and wish in the other. See which gets fullest fastest."

Ah - I don't think that line was in the book.

Or the movie now that I think about it.

Either movie.

--

"An idealist is one who, on noticing that
a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes
that it will also make better soup."

H.L. Mencken