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On Dec 5, 6:43*am, Boater wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Dec 5, 5:33 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
...
When I was young I liked to fight and thought the US should be the
same way. I am now a lot older and a lot wiser.
We need to be a lot more careful where we are willing to spill
American blood and also be careful before we spill other people's
blood. We are far from "untouchable" and you can't kill enough
innocent goat herders to change that. It only makes it worse.
Well said. *I agree.
One problem though. * The world is always full of new "young" people going
through the same process.
There's no chill pill.
Eisboch
I've always thought we should send the old farts clamoring for war off
to the battlefront first, along with their sons and daughters. In our
most recent lunacy, think how much "cred" Cheney and Rumsfeld and the
neocons would have had if they were shipped over to Iraq in uniform,
handed a rifle and told to lead the way.

We've got a few here like that, too. Their privilege to speak their
minds. But let's see them back that up with action and sacrifice on
their part. I suspect *that* would chill most of the warmongers and if
they did go, thin out some of the bad blood in the gene pool.

Usually, but not always, sending our young people to fight because of
the mistakes of their elders, is wrong. It was the right thing to do in
the case of Bush I, because he knew what the hell he was doing, and did
it mostly right. It was wrong in the case of Bush II for so many reasons
there isn't enough bandwidth to list them all.

Oh well, Obama's gonna fixit. Look at what he did for Illinois?

http://www.forthegoodofillinois.org/IL-Debt-Counter/

I don't expect Obama to fix all the messes President Idiot left before
he headed back to oblivion and drunkedness in Texas, but I do believe he
will work assiduously to restore our position of respect and admiration
in the world. He'll shut down the Gitmo Gulag, he'll seriously start
ending the war against Iraq without all the Bush Admin bull****, he'll
have us participating in treaties the rest of the world supports, he'll
take diplomacy a lot more seriously, and he will talk to our enemies,
not just rattle sabers at them.

On the other hand, with Bush's mismanagement of the economy, maybe we'll
just be better off if the country declares Chapter 11.

harry, I never thought of him to fix anything at all, his Illinois
history has shown that.

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On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 23:18:15 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:18:49 -0500, JohnH
wrote:

And, of course, the UN played no part in any of this.

The UN is like that big mouth girl who likes to start a fight for her
boy friend to finish.
Sometimes I think we should leave and let the bitch get her ass beat.

There you go. We finally agree. So, let's blame the UN and quit badmouthing
the USA every time we get a chance.

When I was young I liked to fight and thought the US should be the
same way. I am now a lot older and a lot wiser.
We need to be a lot more careful where we are willing to spill
American blood and also be careful before we spill other people's
blood. We are far from "untouchable" and you can't kill enough
innocent goat herders to change that. It only makes it worse.

Nothing you said here was disagreeable. The US shouldn't 'like' to fight.
On the other hand, the 'peaceniks' shouldn't think that every other country
is satisfied with its lot in life. There is a reason China is pouring tons
of money into its military, and while Iran's threats may be all bluster,
they may also be real.

I've seen innocent civilians get killed. It's not pretty. It was never, to
my knowledge, done purposely. Yes, there are bad apples in the military,
but to imply this county purposely kills 'innocent goat herders' is
offensive bull****.
--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*

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On Dec 5, 6:52*am, JohnH wrote:

but to imply this county purposely kills 'innocent goat herders' is
offensive bull****.
--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*

Agreed!

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On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 06:33:10 -0500, Boater wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
...
When I was young I liked to fight and thought the US should be the
same way. I am now a lot older and a lot wiser.
We need to be a lot more careful where we are willing to spill
American blood and also be careful before we spill other people's
blood. We are far from "untouchable" and you can't kill enough
innocent goat herders to change that. It only makes it worse.


Well said. I agree.

One problem though. The world is always full of new "young" people going
through the same process.
There's no chill pill.

Eisboch



I've always thought we should send the old farts clamoring for war off
to the battlefront first, along with their sons and daughters. In our
most recent lunacy, think how much "cred" Cheney and Rumsfeld and the
neocons would have had if they were shipped over to Iraq in uniform,
handed a rifle and told to lead the way.

You've demonstrated your knowledge of the battlefront, both on land and
sea. So far, no one seems highly impressed.

We've got a few here like that, too. Their privilege to speak their
minds. But let's see them back that up with action and sacrifice on
their part. I suspect *that* would chill most of the warmongers and if
they did go, thin out some of the bad blood in the gene pool.

Most of the folks here who exercise the privilege to speak their minds have
already backed it up with action and sacrifice. Most of us would have
jumped at the chance to go do it again, Harry. But, for some silly reason
the Army doesn't like to hire folks over 35.

Usually, but not always, sending our young people to fight because of
the mistakes of their elders, is wrong. It was the right thing to do in
the case of Bush I, because he knew what the hell he was doing, and did
it mostly right. It was wrong in the case of Bush II for so many reasons
there isn't enough bandwidth to list them all.

Bush acted on the intel he got from our sources and those of other
interested countries. His mistake was in waiting six months to act.
--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*

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On Fri, 5 Dec 2008 04:07:54 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Dec 5, 5:33*am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
.. .
When I was young I liked to fight and thought the US should be the
same way. I am now a lot older and a lot wiser.
We need to be a lot more careful where we are willing to spill
American blood and also be careful before we spill other people's
blood. We are far from "untouchable" and you can't kill enough
innocent goat herders to change that. It only makes it worse.

Well said. *I agree.

One problem though. * The world is always full of new "young" people going
through the same process.
There's no chill pill.

Eisboch

I've always thought we should send the old farts clamoring for war off
to the battlefront first, along with their sons and daughters. In our
most recent lunacy, think how much "cred" Cheney and Rumsfeld and the
neocons would have had if they were shipped over to Iraq in uniform,
handed a rifle and told to lead the way.

We've got a few here like that, too. Their privilege to speak their
minds. But let's see them back that up with action and sacrifice on
their part. I suspect *that* would chill most of the warmongers and if
they did go, thin out some of the bad blood in the gene pool.

Usually, but not always, sending our young people to fight because of
the mistakes of their elders, is wrong. It was the right thing to do in
the case of Bush I, because he knew what the hell he was doing, and did
it mostly right. It was wrong in the case of Bush II for so many reasons
there isn't enough bandwidth to list them all.

Oh well, Obama's gonna fixit. Look at what he did for Illinois?

http://www.forthegoodofillinois.org/IL-Debt-Counter/

Amen.

I understand Iraq has now committed to a three year pullout schedule. I
wonder how Obama is going to play that.
--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*

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On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 07:43:23 -0500, Boater wrote:

Tim wrote:
On Dec 5, 5:33 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
...
When I was young I liked to fight and thought the US should be the
same way. I am now a lot older and a lot wiser.
We need to be a lot more careful where we are willing to spill
American blood and also be careful before we spill other people's
blood. We are far from "untouchable" and you can't kill enough
innocent goat herders to change that. It only makes it worse.
Well said. I agree.
One problem though. The world is always full of new "young" people going
through the same process.
There's no chill pill.
Eisboch
I've always thought we should send the old farts clamoring for war off
to the battlefront first, along with their sons and daughters. In our
most recent lunacy, think how much "cred" Cheney and Rumsfeld and the
neocons would have had if they were shipped over to Iraq in uniform,
handed a rifle and told to lead the way.

We've got a few here like that, too. Their privilege to speak their
minds. But let's see them back that up with action and sacrifice on
their part. I suspect *that* would chill most of the warmongers and if
they did go, thin out some of the bad blood in the gene pool.

Usually, but not always, sending our young people to fight because of
the mistakes of their elders, is wrong. It was the right thing to do in
the case of Bush I, because he knew what the hell he was doing, and did
it mostly right. It was wrong in the case of Bush II for so many reasons
there isn't enough bandwidth to list them all.

Oh well, Obama's gonna fixit. Look at what he did for Illinois?

http://www.forthegoodofillinois.org/IL-Debt-Counter/


I don't expect Obama to fix all the messes President Idiot left before
he headed back to oblivion and drunkedness in Texas, but I do believe he
will work assiduously to restore our position of respect and admiration
in the world. He'll shut down the Gitmo Gulag, he'll seriously start
ending the war against Iraq without all the Bush Admin bull****, he'll
have us participating in treaties the rest of the world supports, he'll
take diplomacy a lot more seriously, and he will talk to our enemies,
not just rattle sabers at them.

On the other hand, with Bush's mismanagement of the economy, maybe we'll
just be better off if the country declares Chapter 11.

You make him sound like another kiss-ass liberal. I hope he's got some
balls.

Come January 20th, it's his fault. No blaming Bush. Remember your response
whenever Clinton got mentioned.

I'm hoping you'll take you and yours on the Inauguration Cruise.

http://tinyurl.com/6mppkl
--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*

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"JohnH" wrote in message
...

I've seen innocent civilians get killed. It's not pretty. It was never, to
my knowledge, done purposely. Yes, there are bad apples in the military,
but to imply this county purposely kills 'innocent goat herders' is
offensive bull****.


Sometimes people forget. In Vietnam, they were shooting back.

Decision time.

Eisboch

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"Boater" wrote in message
...
Tim wrote:
On Dec 5, 5:33 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
...
When I was young I liked to fight and thought the US should be the
same way. I am now a lot older and a lot wiser.
We need to be a lot more careful where we are willing to spill
American blood and also be careful before we spill other people's
blood. We are far from "untouchable" and you can't kill enough
innocent goat herders to change that. It only makes it worse.
Well said. I agree.
One problem though. The world is always full of new "young" people
going
through the same process.
There's no chill pill.
Eisboch
I've always thought we should send the old farts clamoring for war off
to the battlefront first, along with their sons and daughters. In our
most recent lunacy, think how much "cred" Cheney and Rumsfeld and the
neocons would have had if they were shipped over to Iraq in uniform,
handed a rifle and told to lead the way.

We've got a few here like that, too. Their privilege to speak their
minds. But let's see them back that up with action and sacrifice on
their part. I suspect *that* would chill most of the warmongers and if
they did go, thin out some of the bad blood in the gene pool.

Usually, but not always, sending our young people to fight because of
the mistakes of their elders, is wrong. It was the right thing to do in
the case of Bush I, because he knew what the hell he was doing, and did
it mostly right. It was wrong in the case of Bush II for so many reasons
there isn't enough bandwidth to list them all.

Oh well, Obama's gonna fixit. Look at what he did for Illinois?

http://www.forthegoodofillinois.org/IL-Debt-Counter/


I don't expect Obama to fix all the messes President Idiot left before he
headed back to oblivion and drunkedness in Texas, but I do believe he will
work assiduously to restore our position of respect and admiration in the
world. He'll shut down the Gitmo Gulag, he'll seriously start ending the
war against Iraq without all the Bush Admin bull****, he'll have us
participating in treaties the rest of the world supports, he'll take
diplomacy a lot more seriously, and he will talk to our enemies, not just
rattle sabers at them.

On the other hand, with Bush's mismanagement of the economy, maybe we'll
just be better off if the country declares Chapter 11.


How did *Bush* mismanage the economy?

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On Dec 5, 6:57*am, JohnH wrote:


We've got a few here like that, too. Their privilege to speak their
minds. But let's see them back that up with action and sacrifice on
their part.

When most offer a piece of their mind, all that hand over is a chunk
of their lip.

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On Dec 5, 7:15*am, JohnH wrote:
On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 07:43:23 -0500, Boater wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Dec 5, 5:33 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
m...
When I was young I liked to fight and thought the US should be the
same way. I am now a lot older and a lot wiser.
We need to be a lot more careful where we are willing to spill
American blood and also be careful before we spill other people's
blood. We are far from "untouchable" and you can't kill enough
innocent goat herders to change that. It only makes it worse.
Well said. *I agree.
One problem though. * The world is always full of new "young" people going
through the same process.
There's no chill pill.
Eisboch
I've always thought we should send the old farts clamoring for war off
to the battlefront first, along with their sons and daughters. In our
most recent lunacy, think how much "cred" Cheney and Rumsfeld and the
neocons would have had if they were shipped over to Iraq in uniform,
handed a rifle and told to lead the way.

We've got a few here like that, too. Their privilege to speak their
minds. But let's see them back that up with action and sacrifice on
their part. I suspect *that* would chill most of the warmongers and if
they did go, thin out some of the bad blood in the gene pool.

Usually, but not always, sending our young people to fight because of
the mistakes of their elders, is wrong. It was the right thing to do in
the case of Bush I, because he knew what the hell he was doing, and did
it mostly right. It was wrong in the case of Bush II for so many reasons
there isn't enough bandwidth to list them all.

Oh well, Obama's gonna fixit. Look at what he did for Illinois?

http://www.forthegoodofillinois.org/IL-Debt-Counter/

I don't expect Obama to fix all the messes President Idiot left before
he headed back to oblivion and drunkedness in Texas, but I do believe he
will work assiduously to restore our position of respect and admiration
in the world. He'll shut down the Gitmo Gulag, he'll seriously start
ending the war against Iraq without all the Bush Admin bull****, he'll
have us participating in treaties the rest of the world supports, he'll
take diplomacy a lot more seriously, and he will talk to our enemies,
not just rattle sabers at them.

On the other hand, with Bush's mismanagement of the economy, maybe we'll
just be better off if the country declares Chapter 11.

You make him sound like another kiss-ass liberal. I hope he's got some
balls.

Come January 20th, it's his fault. No blaming Bush. Remember your response
whenever Clinton got mentioned.

I'm hoping you'll take you and yours on the Inauguration Cruise.

http://tinyurl.com/6mppkl
--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*

LOL! Getting right to business, eh?