On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:41:36 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


"Boater" wrote in message
...
JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:29:13 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Nov 30, 6:04 pm, JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:34:44 -0500, Boater
wrote:
...is a safe gun.
I hope no one believes that.
--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*
evidently somebody did. he shot himself by accident.

I did verify on Yahoo

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081129/...ce_chief_gun_1

Harry said, "A dirty gun... (in the header) ...is a safe gun. (in the
body).

I hope no one believes that a dirty gun is a safe gun. --
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*


Gosh...the point was that there are so many accidental shootings related
to gun cleaning, that it seemed that leaving the gun dirty was "safer." It
was meant as a joke, especially since a chief of police apparently shot
himself while cleaning a supposedly empty gun. You'd think cops would know
better, but...no, they don't.


~~ Snerk ~~
Just wondering, do officers from the rank of Major up get firearms training
in the US Army?


Not unless they're being assigned a new weapon in a new theater of
operations. Then they'll undergo an orientation course.

Most weapons training occurs during basic training, with annual
requalifications thereafter.
--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*

On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:03:42 -0500, Boater wrote:

Don White wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:29:13 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Nov 30, 6:04 pm, JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:34:44 -0500, Boater
wrote:
...is a safe gun.
I hope no one believes that.
--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*
evidently somebody did. he shot himself by accident.

I did verify on Yahoo

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081129/...ce_chief_gun_1
Harry said, "A dirty gun... (in the header) ...is a safe gun. (in the
body).

I hope no one believes that a dirty gun is a safe gun. --
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*

Gosh...the point was that there are so many accidental shootings related
to gun cleaning, that it seemed that leaving the gun dirty was "safer." It
was meant as a joke, especially since a chief of police apparently shot
himself while cleaning a supposedly empty gun. You'd think cops would know
better, but...no, they don't.


~~ Snerk ~~
Just wondering, do officers from the rank of Major up get firearms training
in the US Army?




From what I've seen at the range, real training seems to stop after
"qualification" unless more training is pursued by the individual.

There are plenty of active and ex-military shooters at the indoor range
I frequent. It's a handgun or .22LR rifle range only, and is mostly
frequented by the boys in blue (cops), but it's right near a base and
there are frequently military guys in there shooting with their
non-military buddies.

There are very few good shooters among the uniformed guys, cops or
military. I'm not saying there are none. There are some who are real
marksmen with sidearms. But most I see don't shoot well. The cops are by
far the worst, even at relatively short distances, like, oh, 21 feet.

Now, I would assume the military guys are more adept with rifles. But I
never see them shoot them, so I don't know for sure.

Another range, one in Virginia where I took a six week small arms
course, has an entirely different clientele, very few military, very few
police, but an awfully high number of really good shooters.

The real good military shooters don't waste time at civilian ranges. Most
decent sized military installations have Rod and Gun Clubs with ranges on
the installation. The ones you see in the civilian ranges are probably just
too embarrassed to join the local Rod and Gun Club.
--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:03:42 -0500, Boater wrote:

Don White wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:29:13 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Nov 30, 6:04 pm, JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:34:44 -0500, Boater
wrote:
...is a safe gun.
I hope no one believes that.
--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*
evidently somebody did. he shot himself by accident.

I did verify on Yahoo

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081129/...ce_chief_gun_1
Harry said, "A dirty gun... (in the header) ...is a safe gun. (in the
body).

I hope no one believes that a dirty gun is a safe gun. --
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*
Gosh...the point was that there are so many accidental shootings related
to gun cleaning, that it seemed that leaving the gun dirty was "safer." It
was meant as a joke, especially since a chief of police apparently shot
himself while cleaning a supposedly empty gun. You'd think cops would know
better, but...no, they don't.

~~ Snerk ~~
Just wondering, do officers from the rank of Major up get firearms training
in the US Army?



From what I've seen at the range, real training seems to stop after
"qualification" unless more training is pursued by the individual.

There are plenty of active and ex-military shooters at the indoor range
I frequent. It's a handgun or .22LR rifle range only, and is mostly
frequented by the boys in blue (cops), but it's right near a base and
there are frequently military guys in there shooting with their
non-military buddies.

There are very few good shooters among the uniformed guys, cops or
military. I'm not saying there are none. There are some who are real
marksmen with sidearms. But most I see don't shoot well. The cops are by
far the worst, even at relatively short distances, like, oh, 21 feet.

Now, I would assume the military guys are more adept with rifles. But I
never see them shoot them, so I don't know for sure.

Another range, one in Virginia where I took a six week small arms
course, has an entirely different clientele, very few military, very few
police, but an awfully high number of really good shooters.

The real good military shooters don't waste time at civilian ranges. Most
decent sized military installations have Rod and Gun Clubs with ranges on
the installation. The ones you see in the civilian ranges are probably just
too embarrassed to join the local Rod and Gun Club.
--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*

I'm a bit curious about the 6 week small arms course that Harry
supposedly took. How could he afford to take that amount of time from
his busy work schedule to attend? Why would he take a course like that?
He must be scared of something. On the other hand it could all be a
figment of his over active imagination.

On Dec 1, 9:03*am, Boater wrote:
Don White wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:29:13 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Nov 30, 6:04 pm, JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:34:44 -0500, Boater
wrote:
...is a safe gun.
I hope no one believes that.
--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*
evidently somebody did. he shot himself by accident.

I did verify on Yahoo

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081129/...ce_chief_gun_1
Harry said, "A dirty gun... (in the header) ...is a safe gun. (in the
body).

I hope no one believes that a dirty gun is a safe gun. --
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*

Gosh...the point was that there are so many accidental shootings related
to gun cleaning, that it seemed that leaving the gun dirty was "safer." It
was meant as a joke, especially since a chief of police apparently shot
himself while cleaning a supposedly empty gun. You'd think cops would know
better, but...no, they don't.

~~ Snerk ~~
Just wondering, do officers from the rank of Major up get firearms training
in the US Army?

*From what I've seen at the range, real training seems to stop after
"qualification" unless more training is pursued by the individual.

There are plenty of active and ex-military shooters at the indoor range
I frequent. It's a handgun or .22LR rifle range only, and is mostly
frequented by the boys in blue (cops), but it's right near a base and
there are frequently military guys in there shooting with their
non-military buddies.

There are very few good shooters among the uniformed guys, cops or
military. I'm not saying there are none. There are some who are real
marksmen with sidearms. But most I see don't shoot well. The cops are by
far the worst, even at relatively short distances, like, oh, 21 feet.

Now, I would assume the military guys are more adept with rifles. But I
never see them shoot them, so I don't know for sure.

Another range, one in Virginia where I took a six week small arms
course, has an entirely different clientele, very few military, very few
* police, but an awfully high number of really good shooters.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Holy ****! The narcissitic asshole now wants everyone here to believe
he's SO much better at the firing range than "uniformed guys".

On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:51:18 -0500, jim wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:03:42 -0500, Boater wrote:

Don White wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:29:13 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Nov 30, 6:04 pm, JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:34:44 -0500, Boater
wrote:
...is a safe gun.
I hope no one believes that.
--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*
evidently somebody did. he shot himself by accident.

I did verify on Yahoo

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081129/...ce_chief_gun_1
Harry said, "A dirty gun... (in the header) ...is a safe gun. (in the
body).

I hope no one believes that a dirty gun is a safe gun. --
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*
Gosh...the point was that there are so many accidental shootings related
to gun cleaning, that it seemed that leaving the gun dirty was "safer." It
was meant as a joke, especially since a chief of police apparently shot
himself while cleaning a supposedly empty gun. You'd think cops would know
better, but...no, they don't.

~~ Snerk ~~
Just wondering, do officers from the rank of Major up get firearms training
in the US Army?



From what I've seen at the range, real training seems to stop after
"qualification" unless more training is pursued by the individual.

There are plenty of active and ex-military shooters at the indoor range
I frequent. It's a handgun or .22LR rifle range only, and is mostly
frequented by the boys in blue (cops), but it's right near a base and
there are frequently military guys in there shooting with their
non-military buddies.

There are very few good shooters among the uniformed guys, cops or
military. I'm not saying there are none. There are some who are real
marksmen with sidearms. But most I see don't shoot well. The cops are by
far the worst, even at relatively short distances, like, oh, 21 feet.

Now, I would assume the military guys are more adept with rifles. But I
never see them shoot them, so I don't know for sure.

Another range, one in Virginia where I took a six week small arms
course, has an entirely different clientele, very few military, very few
police, but an awfully high number of really good shooters.

The real good military shooters don't waste time at civilian ranges. Most
decent sized military installations have Rod and Gun Clubs with ranges on
the installation. The ones you see in the civilian ranges are probably just
too embarrassed to join the local Rod and Gun Club.
--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*

I'm a bit curious about the 6 week small arms course that Harry
supposedly took. How could he afford to take that amount of time from
his busy work schedule to attend? Why would he take a course like that?
He must be scared of something. On the other hand it could all be a
figment of his over active imagination.

Maybe through the SIU. They apparently provide small arms training. I don't
know how it could take six weeks, unless they also provide training in
small arms repair. Hell, Army Basic Training only took 8 weeks when I went
through.
--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*

On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 10:25:06 -0500, JohnH wrote:

On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:51:18 -0500, jim wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:03:42 -0500, Boater wrote:

Don White wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:29:13 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Nov 30, 6:04 pm, JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:34:44 -0500, Boater
wrote:
...is a safe gun.
I hope no one believes that.
--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*
evidently somebody did. he shot himself by accident.

I did verify on Yahoo

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081129/...ce_chief_gun_1
Harry said, "A dirty gun... (in the header) ...is a safe gun. (in the
body).

I hope no one believes that a dirty gun is a safe gun. --
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*
Gosh...the point was that there are so many accidental shootings related
to gun cleaning, that it seemed that leaving the gun dirty was "safer." It
was meant as a joke, especially since a chief of police apparently shot
himself while cleaning a supposedly empty gun. You'd think cops would know
better, but...no, they don't.

~~ Snerk ~~
Just wondering, do officers from the rank of Major up get firearms training
in the US Army?



From what I've seen at the range, real training seems to stop after
"qualification" unless more training is pursued by the individual.

There are plenty of active and ex-military shooters at the indoor range
I frequent. It's a handgun or .22LR rifle range only, and is mostly
frequented by the boys in blue (cops), but it's right near a base and
there are frequently military guys in there shooting with their
non-military buddies.

There are very few good shooters among the uniformed guys, cops or
military. I'm not saying there are none. There are some who are real
marksmen with sidearms. But most I see don't shoot well. The cops are by
far the worst, even at relatively short distances, like, oh, 21 feet.

Now, I would assume the military guys are more adept with rifles. But I
never see them shoot them, so I don't know for sure.

Another range, one in Virginia where I took a six week small arms
course, has an entirely different clientele, very few military, very few
police, but an awfully high number of really good shooters.

The real good military shooters don't waste time at civilian ranges. Most
decent sized military installations have Rod and Gun Clubs with ranges on
the installation. The ones you see in the civilian ranges are probably just
too embarrassed to join the local Rod and Gun Club.
--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*

I'm a bit curious about the 6 week small arms course that Harry
supposedly took. How could he afford to take that amount of time from
his busy work schedule to attend? Why would he take a course like that?
He must be scared of something. On the other hand it could all be a
figment of his over active imagination.

Maybe through the SIU. They apparently provide small arms training. I don't
know how it could take six weeks, unless they also provide training in
small arms repair. Hell, Army Basic Training only took 8 weeks when I went
through.

Whoops. Forgot the URL: http://tinyurl.com/6d2rov

--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:51:18 -0500, jim wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:03:42 -0500, Boater wrote:

Don White wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:29:13 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Nov 30, 6:04 pm, JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:34:44 -0500, Boater
wrote:
...is a safe gun.
I hope no one believes that.
--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*
evidently somebody did. he shot himself by accident.

I did verify on Yahoo

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081129/...ce_chief_gun_1
Harry said, "A dirty gun... (in the header) ...is a safe gun. (in the
body).

I hope no one believes that a dirty gun is a safe gun. --
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*
Gosh...the point was that there are so many accidental shootings related
to gun cleaning, that it seemed that leaving the gun dirty was "safer." It
was meant as a joke, especially since a chief of police apparently shot
himself while cleaning a supposedly empty gun. You'd think cops would know
better, but...no, they don't.

~~ Snerk ~~
Just wondering, do officers from the rank of Major up get firearms training
in the US Army?


From what I've seen at the range, real training seems to stop after
"qualification" unless more training is pursued by the individual.

There are plenty of active and ex-military shooters at the indoor range
I frequent. It's a handgun or .22LR rifle range only, and is mostly
frequented by the boys in blue (cops), but it's right near a base and
there are frequently military guys in there shooting with their
non-military buddies.

There are very few good shooters among the uniformed guys, cops or
military. I'm not saying there are none. There are some who are real
marksmen with sidearms. But most I see don't shoot well. The cops are by
far the worst, even at relatively short distances, like, oh, 21 feet.

Now, I would assume the military guys are more adept with rifles. But I
never see them shoot them, so I don't know for sure.

Another range, one in Virginia where I took a six week small arms
course, has an entirely different clientele, very few military, very few
police, but an awfully high number of really good shooters.
The real good military shooters don't waste time at civilian ranges. Most
decent sized military installations have Rod and Gun Clubs with ranges on
the installation. The ones you see in the civilian ranges are probably just
too embarrassed to join the local Rod and Gun Club.
--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*
I'm a bit curious about the 6 week small arms course that Harry
supposedly took. How could he afford to take that amount of time from
his busy work schedule to attend? Why would he take a course like that?
He must be scared of something. On the other hand it could all be a
figment of his over active imagination.

Maybe through the SIU. They apparently provide small arms training. I don't
know how it could take six weeks, unless they also provide training in
small arms repair. Hell, Army Basic Training only took 8 weeks when I went
through.
--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*


One evening a week, 2-1/2 hours an evening, six weeks, John Herring.

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 10:25:06 -0500, JohnH wrote:

On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:51:18 -0500, jim wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:03:42 -0500, Boater wrote:

Don White wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:29:13 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Nov 30, 6:04 pm, JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:34:44 -0500, Boater
wrote:
...is a safe gun.
I hope no one believes that.
--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*
evidently somebody did. he shot himself by accident.

I did verify on Yahoo

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081129/...ce_chief_gun_1
Harry said, "A dirty gun... (in the header) ...is a safe gun. (in the
body).

I hope no one believes that a dirty gun is a safe gun. --
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*
Gosh...the point was that there are so many accidental shootings related
to gun cleaning, that it seemed that leaving the gun dirty was "safer." It
was meant as a joke, especially since a chief of police apparently shot
himself while cleaning a supposedly empty gun. You'd think cops would know
better, but...no, they don't.

~~ Snerk ~~
Just wondering, do officers from the rank of Major up get firearms training
in the US Army?


From what I've seen at the range, real training seems to stop after
"qualification" unless more training is pursued by the individual.

There are plenty of active and ex-military shooters at the indoor range
I frequent. It's a handgun or .22LR rifle range only, and is mostly
frequented by the boys in blue (cops), but it's right near a base and
there are frequently military guys in there shooting with their
non-military buddies.

There are very few good shooters among the uniformed guys, cops or
military. I'm not saying there are none. There are some who are real
marksmen with sidearms. But most I see don't shoot well. The cops are by
far the worst, even at relatively short distances, like, oh, 21 feet.

Now, I would assume the military guys are more adept with rifles. But I
never see them shoot them, so I don't know for sure.

Another range, one in Virginia where I took a six week small arms
course, has an entirely different clientele, very few military, very few
police, but an awfully high number of really good shooters.
The real good military shooters don't waste time at civilian ranges. Most
decent sized military installations have Rod and Gun Clubs with ranges on
the installation. The ones you see in the civilian ranges are probably just
too embarrassed to join the local Rod and Gun Club.
--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*
I'm a bit curious about the 6 week small arms course that Harry
supposedly took. How could he afford to take that amount of time from
his busy work schedule to attend? Why would he take a course like that?
He must be scared of something. On the other hand it could all be a
figment of his over active imagination.
Maybe through the SIU. They apparently provide small arms training. I don't
know how it could take six weeks, unless they also provide training in
small arms repair. Hell, Army Basic Training only took 8 weeks when I went
through.

Whoops. Forgot the URL: http://tinyurl.com/6d2rov

--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*

Wrong union. I am a professional writer/bricklayer. I have approached
the Bricklayers Union with the idea of instituting a small arms
precision brick cracking course.
The only response I've gotten so far was "You sure are a dumb foch,
Harry Krause."

On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 10:34:29 -0500, Boater wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:51:18 -0500, jim wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:03:42 -0500, Boater wrote:

Don White wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:29:13 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Nov 30, 6:04 pm, JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:34:44 -0500, Boater
wrote:
...is a safe gun.
I hope no one believes that.
--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*
evidently somebody did. he shot himself by accident.

I did verify on Yahoo

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081129/...ce_chief_gun_1
Harry said, "A dirty gun... (in the header) ...is a safe gun. (in the
body).

I hope no one believes that a dirty gun is a safe gun. --
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*
Gosh...the point was that there are so many accidental shootings related
to gun cleaning, that it seemed that leaving the gun dirty was "safer." It
was meant as a joke, especially since a chief of police apparently shot
himself while cleaning a supposedly empty gun. You'd think cops would know
better, but...no, they don't.

~~ Snerk ~~
Just wondering, do officers from the rank of Major up get firearms training
in the US Army?


From what I've seen at the range, real training seems to stop after
"qualification" unless more training is pursued by the individual.

There are plenty of active and ex-military shooters at the indoor range
I frequent. It's a handgun or .22LR rifle range only, and is mostly
frequented by the boys in blue (cops), but it's right near a base and
there are frequently military guys in there shooting with their
non-military buddies.

There are very few good shooters among the uniformed guys, cops or
military. I'm not saying there are none. There are some who are real
marksmen with sidearms. But most I see don't shoot well. The cops are by
far the worst, even at relatively short distances, like, oh, 21 feet.

Now, I would assume the military guys are more adept with rifles. But I
never see them shoot them, so I don't know for sure.

Another range, one in Virginia where I took a six week small arms
course, has an entirely different clientele, very few military, very few
police, but an awfully high number of really good shooters.
The real good military shooters don't waste time at civilian ranges. Most
decent sized military installations have Rod and Gun Clubs with ranges on
the installation. The ones you see in the civilian ranges are probably just
too embarrassed to join the local Rod and Gun Club.
--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*
I'm a bit curious about the 6 week small arms course that Harry
supposedly took. How could he afford to take that amount of time from
his busy work schedule to attend? Why would he take a course like that?
He must be scared of something. On the other hand it could all be a
figment of his over active imagination.

Maybe through the SIU. They apparently provide small arms training. I don't
know how it could take six weeks, unless they also provide training in
small arms repair. Hell, Army Basic Training only took 8 weeks when I went
through.
--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*


One evening a week, 2-1/2 hours an evening, six weeks, John Herring.



Oh, OK. 18 hours sounds more reasonable than 6 weeks!
--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*

Boater wrote:
...is a safe gun.

Nov 28, 11:59 PM EST

Ohio police chief accidentally shoots himself


Only someone experienced should handle a gun.

Here is someone who knows how to properly handle a handgun.

The best line is "I am the only one in this room qualified to handle a
glock 40"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAVYFRM5Tl8