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On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:58:42 -0600, wrote:

On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:12:36 -0500, Eisboch wrote:

Good in theory, but just not realistically enforceable in a dependable
way. The area would still be immense and very difficult to monitor, even
with aircraft.
These clowns are using very small boats in a very large ocean.


The problem isn't really military capabilities. The problem is the
navies are hamstrung by international law.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7735144.stm

This part is total bull****.

"I have also heard from someone who used to advise British forces in
the region and he says you cannot under international law convert a
commercial ship into a kind of warship."

While true that you can't turn a, say, tanker into a battleship, you
certainly have the right by international law to protect yourself, the
cargo and the vessel.

If that means carying anti-tank weapons, automatic rifles or hiring
mercenaries to protect you, your cargo and your ship, that's perfectly
legal.

Shakespeare was right - kill all the lawyers.
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On Nov 20, 6:59*am, Tom Francis - SWSports
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On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:58:42 -0600, wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:12:36 -0500, Eisboch wrote:


Good in theory, but just not realistically enforceable in a dependable
way. The area would still be immense and very difficult to monitor, even
with aircraft.
These clowns are using very small boats in a very large ocean.


The problem isn't really military capabilities. *The problem is the
navies are hamstrung by international law.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7735144.stm


This part is total bull****.

"I have also heard from someone who used to advise British forces in
the region and he says you cannot under international law convert a
commercial ship into a kind of warship."

While true that you can't turn a, say, tanker into a battleship, you
certainly have the right by international law to protect yourself, the
cargo and the vessel.

If that means carying anti-tank weapons, automatic rifles or hiring
mercenaries to protect you, your cargo and your ship, that's perfectly
legal.

Shakespeare was right - kill all the lawyers.


i agre! That fore- deck on a carrier is huge enough to hold a couple
choppers.

something light for observance, then something like a huey (double
mini-guns!) or a Blackhawk (Mu-ha-a-a-a-a-H!) for clean up. And let
it be known that nothing (unless previously authorized) is allowed
within two miles of the tanker.
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On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:59:53 +0000, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7735144.stm



While true that you can't turn a, say, tanker into a battleship, you
certainly have the right by international law to protect yourself, the
cargo and the vessel.

If that means carying anti-tank weapons, automatic rifles or hiring
mercenaries to protect you, your cargo and your ship, that's perfectly
legal.


Absolutely, but protecting yourself is only a band-aid. If you want to
drastically reduce piracy, you have to take it to them, keep them locked
up in port. A few ships blockading their home ports, is worth many ships
on the high seas. However, under international law, a blockade is
illegal, and whether we like it or not, we do have an obligation to
follow international law.
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On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:59:53 +0000, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7735144.stm


While true that you can't turn a, say, tanker into a battleship, you
certainly have the right by international law to protect yourself, the
cargo and the vessel.

If that means carying anti-tank weapons, automatic rifles or hiring
mercenaries to protect you, your cargo and your ship, that's perfectly
legal.


Absolutely, but protecting yourself is only a band-aid. If you want to
drastically reduce piracy, you have to take it to them, keep them locked
up in port. A few ships blockading their home ports, is worth many ships
on the high seas. However, under international law, a blockade is
illegal, and whether we like it or not, we do have an obligation to
follow international law.



It's not illegal for a nation to defend its merchant ships by patrolling
the seas from the and by having gunships accompany the merchants.
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On Nov 19, 8:58*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 01:49:30 GMT, Tom Francis - SWSports

wrote:

My good friend Harold Foskett has a T-15 and a T-20 dozer.


Fully restored.


Good to know. *I googled them out of curiosity a while back and saw
some for sale. *I was there almost nine years and had my hand in
making a lot of parts, from track chain bushings and links to track
shoes to bucket arms and a lot in-beween.
Good possibility some of that is still doing work.
I value the work I did there.

--Vic


As you should. I hope Harry don't dis you for you honest hard work
like he does so many others.


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On Nov 19, 11:48*pm, wrote:
On Nov 19, 7:05*pm, DK wrote:





Boater wrote:
JohnH wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:21:07 -0500, Boater
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Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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Whatever the solution is, it should not involved killing uninvolved
civilians. We've done enough of that in Iraq and Afghanistan. What
gives us the right to kill innocent civilians? Cheney-ism?
I agree. *We should never intentionally plan to kill uninvolved,
innocent civilians, and I don't believe for a minute that any
administration has since Truman authorized the atomic bomb drops.


But warfare is not perfect. *To do nothing only empowers the enemy.
Sometimes the risk of collateral damage has to be taken.


Eisboch


Whether it plans to kill them or not, I think the Bush Administration
doesn't give a damn about uninvolved, innocent civilians. Besides,
we're not at the point of bombing Somali villages yet and we
apparently don't have the assets to interdict *Somali pirate ships.


Hey, DS, what's Obama goin' to do?


Round up all the right-wing useless old farts like you and send them
into battle. National defense and public service, rolled up into one.


Typical stupid response from a...writer!


Not typically a mere writer, but a union agitator as well.- Hide quoted text -

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nah, he's not employable, his wife works.
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Don White wrote:
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Don White wrote:
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:49:33 -0500, JohnH wrote:

Harry, we're talking about ways to do in the pirates here
I think the answer as air power. Don't the Saudis have a few AWACs
planes. Loiter over the water off Somalia and profile any small boats
shadowing their ships. Call in some "air" with 500 lb IR guided bombs
to blow them out of the water from altitude. If these pirates discover
their boats are simply disappearing without a trace they might stop
going out.
For that matter the US could do that but we should do it covertly.
Officially we don't know why pirate boats are suddenly blowing up at
sea. Must be some kind of accident handling munitions or something.
Maybe they just have a batch of defective bilge blowers.

I am still not sure how these guys are sneaking up on a tanker. Don't
they have RADAR?
They do understand extreme violence. Air power is the answer. Find out
what village or town the pirates are from. Then just tell the pirates
that the village / town is going to be removed from the desert sands via
big bomb method. Then do it.
I say the world navies should declare a 'no go' zone to use as a shipping
channel. Any unauthorized boats step over the line...kaboom.
They'll get the message.

Click on this, dumbass, and tell me how that will work...

http://www.sailwx.info/shiptrack/shiplocations.phtml


I believe we're just talking about one particular area numbnuts.
Quit OD'n on those 'stupid pills'.



That map covers the entire world, dip****. Show us where you would draw
your moronic "No go zones".
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DK wrote:
Don White wrote:
"DK" wrote in message
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Don White wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:49:33 -0500, JohnH
wrote:

Harry, we're talking about ways to do in the pirates here
I think the answer as air power. Don't the Saudis have a few AWACs
planes. Loiter over the water off Somalia and profile any small boats
shadowing their ships. Call in some "air" with 500 lb IR guided bombs
to blow them out of the water from altitude. If these pirates
discover
their boats are simply disappearing without a trace they might stop
going out.
For that matter the US could do that but we should do it covertly.
Officially we don't know why pirate boats are suddenly blowing up at
sea. Must be some kind of accident handling munitions or something.
Maybe they just have a batch of defective bilge blowers.

I am still not sure how these guys are sneaking up on a tanker. Don't
they have RADAR?
They do understand extreme violence. Air power is the answer.
Find out what village or town the pirates are from. Then just tell
the pirates that the village / town is going to be removed from the
desert sands via big bomb method. Then do it.
I say the world navies should declare a 'no go' zone to use as a
shipping channel. Any unauthorized boats step over the line...kaboom.
They'll get the message.
Click on this, dumbass, and tell me how that will work...

http://www.sailwx.info/shiptrack/shiplocations.phtml


I believe we're just talking about one particular area numbnuts.
Quit OD'n on those 'stupid pills'.


That map covers the entire world, dip****. Show us where you would draw
your moronic "No go zones".



Get back in your casket, stinko...

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...0/a87173e4.jpg
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"DK" wrote in message
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Don White wrote:
"DK" wrote in message
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Don White wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:49:33 -0500, JohnH
wrote:

Harry, we're talking about ways to do in the pirates here
I think the answer as air power. Don't the Saudis have a few AWACs
planes. Loiter over the water off Somalia and profile any small boats
shadowing their ships. Call in some "air" with 500 lb IR guided bombs
to blow them out of the water from altitude. If these pirates
discover
their boats are simply disappearing without a trace they might stop
going out.
For that matter the US could do that but we should do it covertly.
Officially we don't know why pirate boats are suddenly blowing up at
sea. Must be some kind of accident handling munitions or something.
Maybe they just have a batch of defective bilge blowers.

I am still not sure how these guys are sneaking up on a tanker. Don't
they have RADAR?
They do understand extreme violence. Air power is the answer. Find
out what village or town the pirates are from. Then just tell the
pirates that the village / town is going to be removed from the desert
sands via big bomb method. Then do it.
I say the world navies should declare a 'no go' zone to use as a
shipping channel. Any unauthorized boats step over the line...kaboom.
They'll get the message.
Click on this, dumbass, and tell me how that will work...

http://www.sailwx.info/shiptrack/shiplocations.phtml


I believe we're just talking about one particular area numbnuts.
Quit OD'n on those 'stupid pills'.


That map covers the entire world, dip****. Show us where you would draw
your moronic "No go zones".


Right around your 'Hillbilly Heaven' would be a good start.


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"Boater" wrote in message
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DK wrote:
Don White wrote:
"DK" wrote in message
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Don White wrote:
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:49:33 -0500, JohnH
wrote:

Harry, we're talking about ways to do in the pirates here
I think the answer as air power. Don't the Saudis have a few AWACs
planes. Loiter over the water off Somalia and profile any small
boats
shadowing their ships. Call in some "air" with 500 lb IR guided
bombs
to blow them out of the water from altitude. If these pirates
discover
their boats are simply disappearing without a trace they might stop
going out.
For that matter the US could do that but we should do it covertly.
Officially we don't know why pirate boats are suddenly blowing up at
sea. Must be some kind of accident handling munitions or something.
Maybe they just have a batch of defective bilge blowers.

I am still not sure how these guys are sneaking up on a tanker.
Don't
they have RADAR?
They do understand extreme violence. Air power is the answer. Find
out what village or town the pirates are from. Then just tell the
pirates that the village / town is going to be removed from the
desert sands via big bomb method. Then do it.
I say the world navies should declare a 'no go' zone to use as a
shipping channel. Any unauthorized boats step over the line...kaboom.
They'll get the message.
Click on this, dumbass, and tell me how that will work...

http://www.sailwx.info/shiptrack/shiplocations.phtml


I believe we're just talking about one particular area numbnuts.
Quit OD'n on those 'stupid pills'.


That map covers the entire world, dip****. Show us where you would draw
your moronic "No go zones".



Get back in your casket, stinko...

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...0/a87173e4.jpg



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