Any latest news on the pirates and the oil tanker?
 

On Nov 19, 1:14*pm, Boater wrote:
Calif Bill wrote:
wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:49:33 -0500, JohnH wrote:

Harry, we're talking about ways to do in the pirates here
I think the answer as air power. Don't the Saudis have a few AWACs
planes. Loiter over the water off Somalia and profile any small boats
shadowing their ships. Call in some "air" with 500 lb IR guided bombs
to blow them out of the water from altitude. If these pirates discover
their boats are simply disappearing without a trace they might stop
going out.
For that matter the US could do that but we should do it covertly.
Officially we don't know why pirate boats are suddenly blowing up at
sea. Must be some kind of accident handling munitions or something.
Maybe they just have a batch of defective bilge blowers.

I am still not sure how these guys are sneaking up on a tanker. Don't
they have RADAR?

They do understand extreme violence. *Air power is the answer. *Find out
what village or town the pirates are from. *Then just tell the pirates that
the village / town is going to be removed from the desert sands via big bomb
method. *Then do it.

Ahh, kill more uninvolved civilians...the American way.- Hide quoted text -

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YOU are the one whining like a friggin' baby that we aren't doing
enough!!!!

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On Nov 19, 1:14*pm, Boater wrote:
Calif Bill wrote:
wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:49:33 -0500, JohnH wrote:

Harry, we're talking about ways to do in the pirates here
I think the answer as air power. Don't the Saudis have a few AWACs
planes. Loiter over the water off Somalia and profile any small boats
shadowing their ships. Call in some "air" with 500 lb IR guided bombs
to blow them out of the water from altitude. If these pirates discover
their boats are simply disappearing without a trace they might stop
going out.
For that matter the US could do that but we should do it covertly.
Officially we don't know why pirate boats are suddenly blowing up at
sea. Must be some kind of accident handling munitions or something.
Maybe they just have a batch of defective bilge blowers.

I am still not sure how these guys are sneaking up on a tanker. Don't
they have RADAR?

They do understand extreme violence. *Air power is the answer. *Find out
what village or town the pirates are from. *Then just tell the pirates that
the village / town is going to be removed from the desert sands via big bomb
method. *Then do it.

Ahh, kill more uninvolved civilians...the American way.- Hide quoted text -

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So, what's your solution ??? And I mean from here on in, what should
King Obama do?

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On Nov 19, 12:28*pm, Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:49:33 -0500, JohnH wrote:

Harry, we're talking about ways to do in the pirates here

I think the answer as air power. Don't the Saudis have a few AWACs
planes. Loiter over the water off Somalia and profile any small boats
shadowing their ships. Call in some "air" with 500 lb IR guided bombs
to blow them out of the water from altitude. If these pirates discover
their boats are simply disappearing without a trace they might stop
going out.
For that matter the US could do that but we should do it covertly.
Officially we don't know why pirate boats are suddenly blowing up at
sea. Must be some kind of accident handling munitions or something.
Maybe they just have a batch of defective bilge blowers.

I am still not sure how these guys are sneaking up on a tanker. Don't
they have RADAR?

The Israelis have some 50 knot patrol boats, deep vees, that are
suitably armed, and armed forces who know how to fight. Perhaps a
contract could be let...

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapo...Shaldag2.html- Hide quoted text -

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Damn nice googling!

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"Boater" wrote in message
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Tim wrote:
On Nov 19, 9:09 am, Boater wrote:
Janet O'Leary wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
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I heard that the Somalians captured a giant oil tanker holding about
100 Million USD worth of crude.
any updates?
===
If one takes a **** in the harbor ,, you go to jail, your boat gets
reposessed, and
your photo is int he paper..
If you hijack an oil tanker, the navy says they don't have enough
ships..
Is this country F..ked up or what.
Hey...it's the military.- Hide quoted text -

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Harrrrrry!

What? Our military (and I presume everyone else's) is famous for crying it
never has enough, and for wasting taxpayer dollars.

Tell me, Tim, after blowing a trillion and a half dollars, what will we
have gained in Iraq? What did we gain in Vietnam because of our protracted
militarism there?

What worked for us, militarily, was Desert Storm, Bosnia, some of our
brief incursions to keep the peace, and most of our humanitarian efforts.

I'm supposed to be impressed by our massive array of ships? What,
precisely, are they doing at the moment? Not much.

The military did not have and does not have a problem winning battles.
Seems as if Viet Nam was a clusterf**k because of the civilians in control
of the military. Most of the time was Democrats. Was LBJ who signed my
draft letter. The military had no problem beating the Iraq military. Now
that the State Department is in charge, seems as if the problems arise. If
it was up to the military to cure the pirate problem, the Squids would haul
the Jarheads over to Somalia, and the Air Force would drop bombs where the
Jarheads requested devastation and then the Jarheads would go in and finish
cleaning up the pirates. Same in Afghanistan. But the Politicians will not
let the military kill all the warlords.

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On Nov 19, 12:00*pm, jim wrote:
JohnH wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:38:20 -0500, Boater wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

I'm supposed to be impressed by our massive array of ships? What,
precisely, are they doing at the moment? Not much.

Most importantly, maintaining a balance of power, deterrence and top stop
training to be prepared at any moment for any global situation. * Other than
that, nothing important.

Please don't argue that we don't have a balance of power obligation. *Our
security, indeed much of the world's depends on it. *If the day ever comes
when another nation ever thinks it can militarily defeat us, the first part
of the battle will have been lost and we'll be obligated to prove to them
how wrong they were. *It's better to never have them develop the confidence
to try.

The blue water Navy is tested virtually everyday when at sea. The testing is
not always being done by us.

I, nor many others, I suspect, could care less if you are impressed or not.
It doesn't matter. * I understand the mission and the purpose, I believe in
it and I thank God we have it, even if it helps provide security to armchair
whiners like you.

Eisboch

Sorry...I don't buy into the 8' asparagus of the military. I'm not
suggesting we do away with it. I just believe that the nature of today's
threats have made our military...less relevant.

Harry, you probably don't realize this, but the last few responses to you
by Eisboch were *not* compliments.

You need to get your head out of wherever it is.

We've been taking up all of Harry's time this morning. How do you expect
the man to make a living writing jingles when we keep distracting him.- Hide quoted text -

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Harry doesn't work! Except when his wife gets home from the local
union hall. Then he has to get her supper.

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On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:56:30 -0500, Boater wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:38:20 -0500, Boater wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

I'm supposed to be impressed by our massive array of ships? What,
precisely, are they doing at the moment? Not much.

Most importantly, maintaining a balance of power, deterrence and top stop
training to be prepared at any moment for any global situation. Other than
that, nothing important.

Please don't argue that we don't have a balance of power obligation. Our
security, indeed much of the world's depends on it. If the day ever comes
when another nation ever thinks it can militarily defeat us, the first part
of the battle will have been lost and we'll be obligated to prove to them
how wrong they were. It's better to never have them develop the confidence
to try.

The blue water Navy is tested virtually everyday when at sea. The testing is
not always being done by us.

I, nor many others, I suspect, could care less if you are impressed or not.
It doesn't matter. I understand the mission and the purpose, I believe in
it and I thank God we have it, even if it helps provide security to armchair
whiners like you.

Eisboch



Sorry...I don't buy into the 8' asparagus of the military. I'm not
suggesting we do away with it. I just believe that the nature of today's
threats have made our military...less relevant.

Harry, you probably don't realize this, but the last few responses to you
by Eisboch were *not* compliments.

You need to get your head out of wherever it is.


D'oh. I've been consistently against wasting taxpayer dollars on the
military and its toys.

D'oh, you've been a consistent joke. D'oh.
--
John H.

Any latest news on the pirates and the oil tanker?
 

Any latest news on the pirates and the oil tanker?
 

Calif Bill wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Tim wrote:
On Nov 19, 9:09 am, Boater wrote:
Janet O'Leary wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
...
I heard that the Somalians captured a giant oil tanker holding about
100 Million USD worth of crude.
any updates?
===
If one takes a **** in the harbor ,, you go to jail, your boat gets
reposessed, and
your photo is int he paper..
If you hijack an oil tanker, the navy says they don't have enough
ships..
Is this country F..ked up or what.
Hey...it's the military.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Harrrrrry!
What? Our military (and I presume everyone else's) is famous for crying it
never has enough, and for wasting taxpayer dollars.

Tell me, Tim, after blowing a trillion and a half dollars, what will we
have gained in Iraq? What did we gain in Vietnam because of our protracted
militarism there?

What worked for us, militarily, was Desert Storm, Bosnia, some of our
brief incursions to keep the peace, and most of our humanitarian efforts.

I'm supposed to be impressed by our massive array of ships? What,
precisely, are they doing at the moment? Not much.

The military did not have and does not have a problem winning battles.
Seems as if Viet Nam was a clusterf**k because of the civilians in control
of the military.

I've seen that myth about 1000 times. We got our ass kicked in Vietnam.
Period.

Any latest news on the pirates and the oil tanker?
 

On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:14:42 -0500, Boater wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:49:33 -0500, JohnH wrote:

Harry, we're talking about ways to do in the pirates here
I think the answer as air power. Don't the Saudis have a few AWACs
planes. Loiter over the water off Somalia and profile any small boats
shadowing their ships. Call in some "air" with 500 lb IR guided bombs
to blow them out of the water from altitude. If these pirates discover
their boats are simply disappearing without a trace they might stop
going out.
For that matter the US could do that but we should do it covertly.
Officially we don't know why pirate boats are suddenly blowing up at
sea. Must be some kind of accident handling munitions or something.
Maybe they just have a batch of defective bilge blowers.

I am still not sure how these guys are sneaking up on a tanker. Don't
they have RADAR?

They do understand extreme violence. Air power is the answer. Find out
what village or town the pirates are from. Then just tell the pirates that
the village / town is going to be removed from the desert sands via big bomb
method. Then do it.




Ahh, kill more uninvolved civilians...the American way.

You bit on that one. He gotcha, Harry. WAFDS!
--
John H.

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"Boater" wrote in message
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Whatever the solution is, it should not involved killing uninvolved
civilians. We've done enough of that in Iraq and Afghanistan. What gives
us the right to kill innocent civilians? Cheney-ism?

I agree. We should never intentionally plan to kill uninvolved, innocent
civilians, and I don't believe for a minute that any administration has
since Truman authorized the atomic bomb drops.

But warfare is not perfect. To do nothing only empowers the enemy.
Sometimes the risk of collateral damage has to be taken.

Eisboch