Any latest news on the pirates and the oil tanker?
 

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On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:49:33 -0500, JohnH
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Harry, we're talking about ways to do in the pirates here
I think the answer as air power. Don't the Saudis have a few AWACs
planes. Loiter over the water off Somalia and profile any small
boats
shadowing their ships. Call in some "air" with 500 lb IR guided
bombs
to blow them out of the water from altitude. If these pirates
discover
their boats are simply disappearing without a trace they might stop
going out.
For that matter the US could do that but we should do it covertly.
Officially we don't know why pirate boats are suddenly blowing
up at
sea. Must be some kind of accident handling munitions or something.
Maybe they just have a batch of defective bilge blowers.

I am still not sure how these guys are sneaking up on a tanker.
Don't
they have RADAR?
They do understand extreme violence. Air power is the answer.
Find out what village or town the pirates are from. Then just
tell the pirates that the village / town is going to be removed
from the desert sands via big bomb method. Then do it.
I say the world navies should declare a 'no go' zone to use as a
shipping channel. Any unauthorized boats step over the
line...kaboom.
They'll get the message.
Click on this, dumbass, and tell me how that will work...

http://www.sailwx.info/shiptrack/shiplocations.phtml


I believe we're just talking about one particular area numbnuts.
Quit OD'n on those 'stupid pills'.


That map covers the entire world, dip****. Show us where you would
draw your moronic "No go zones".


Get back in your casket, stinko...

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...0/a87173e4.jpg

You should be commended for sticking up for your lame little puppy Donnie.


My comments about you and your stench have nothing to do with anyone but
you.

Any latest news on the pirates and the oil tanker?
 

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On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:49:33 -0500, JohnH
wrote:

Harry, we're talking about ways to do in the pirates here
I think the answer as air power. Don't the Saudis have a few AWACs
planes. Loiter over the water off Somalia and profile any small
boats
shadowing their ships. Call in some "air" with 500 lb IR guided
bombs
to blow them out of the water from altitude. If these pirates
discover
their boats are simply disappearing without a trace they might stop
going out.
For that matter the US could do that but we should do it covertly.
Officially we don't know why pirate boats are suddenly blowing up at
sea. Must be some kind of accident handling munitions or something.
Maybe they just have a batch of defective bilge blowers.

I am still not sure how these guys are sneaking up on a tanker.
Don't
they have RADAR?
They do understand extreme violence. Air power is the answer. Find
out what village or town the pirates are from. Then just tell the
pirates that the village / town is going to be removed from the
desert sands via big bomb method. Then do it.
I say the world navies should declare a 'no go' zone to use as a
shipping channel. Any unauthorized boats step over the line...kaboom.
They'll get the message.
Click on this, dumbass, and tell me how that will work...

http://www.sailwx.info/shiptrack/shiplocations.phtml

I believe we're just talking about one particular area numbnuts.
Quit OD'n on those 'stupid pills'.

That map covers the entire world, dip****. Show us where you would draw
your moronic "No go zones".

Get back in your casket, stinko...

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...0/a87173e4.jpg


Wonder how often Diaper Dan gets his Depends changed?




And who does it?

Any latest news on the pirates and the oil tanker?
 

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On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:49:33 -0500, JohnH
wrote:

Harry, we're talking about ways to do in the pirates here
I think the answer as air power. Don't the Saudis have a few AWACs
planes. Loiter over the water off Somalia and profile any small boats
shadowing their ships. Call in some "air" with 500 lb IR guided bombs
to blow them out of the water from altitude. If these pirates
discover
their boats are simply disappearing without a trace they might stop
going out.
For that matter the US could do that but we should do it covertly.
Officially we don't know why pirate boats are suddenly blowing up at
sea. Must be some kind of accident handling munitions or something.
Maybe they just have a batch of defective bilge blowers.

I am still not sure how these guys are sneaking up on a tanker. Don't
they have RADAR?
They do understand extreme violence. Air power is the answer. Find
out what village or town the pirates are from. Then just tell the
pirates that the village / town is going to be removed from the desert
sands via big bomb method. Then do it.
I say the world navies should declare a 'no go' zone to use as a
shipping channel. Any unauthorized boats step over the line...kaboom.
They'll get the message.
Click on this, dumbass, and tell me how that will work...

http://www.sailwx.info/shiptrack/shiplocations.phtml

I believe we're just talking about one particular area numbnuts.
Quit OD'n on those 'stupid pills'.
That map covers the entire world, dip****. Show us where you would draw
your moronic "No go zones".

Right around your 'Hillbilly Heaven' would be a good start.



Non-responsive.

Any latest news on the pirates and the oil tanker?
 

Boater wrote:
DK wrote:
Boater wrote:
DK wrote:
Don White wrote:
"DK" wrote in message
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Don White wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:49:33 -0500, JohnH
wrote:

Harry, we're talking about ways to do in the pirates here
I think the answer as air power. Don't the Saudis have a few AWACs
planes. Loiter over the water off Somalia and profile any small
boats
shadowing their ships. Call in some "air" with 500 lb IR guided
bombs
to blow them out of the water from altitude. If these pirates
discover
their boats are simply disappearing without a trace they might
stop
going out.
For that matter the US could do that but we should do it covertly.
Officially we don't know why pirate boats are suddenly blowing
up at
sea. Must be some kind of accident handling munitions or
something.
Maybe they just have a batch of defective bilge blowers.

I am still not sure how these guys are sneaking up on a tanker.
Don't
they have RADAR?
They do understand extreme violence. Air power is the answer.
Find out what village or town the pirates are from. Then just
tell the pirates that the village / town is going to be removed
from the desert sands via big bomb method. Then do it.
I say the world navies should declare a 'no go' zone to use as a
shipping channel. Any unauthorized boats step over the
line...kaboom.
They'll get the message.
Click on this, dumbass, and tell me how that will work...

http://www.sailwx.info/shiptrack/shiplocations.phtml


I believe we're just talking about one particular area numbnuts.
Quit OD'n on those 'stupid pills'.


That map covers the entire world, dip****. Show us where you would
draw your moronic "No go zones".


Get back in your casket, stinko...

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...0/a87173e4.jpg

You should be commended for sticking up for your lame little puppy
Donnie.


My comments about you and your stench have nothing to do with anyone but
you.


Is Karen impressed with those comments?

Any latest news on the pirates and the oil tanker?
 

Don White wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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DK wrote:
Don White wrote:
"DK" wrote in message
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Don White wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:49:33 -0500, JohnH
wrote:

Harry, we're talking about ways to do in the pirates here
I think the answer as air power. Don't the Saudis have a few AWACs
planes. Loiter over the water off Somalia and profile any small
boats
shadowing their ships. Call in some "air" with 500 lb IR guided
bombs
to blow them out of the water from altitude. If these pirates
discover
their boats are simply disappearing without a trace they might stop
going out.
For that matter the US could do that but we should do it covertly.
Officially we don't know why pirate boats are suddenly blowing up at
sea. Must be some kind of accident handling munitions or something.
Maybe they just have a batch of defective bilge blowers.

I am still not sure how these guys are sneaking up on a tanker.
Don't
they have RADAR?
They do understand extreme violence. Air power is the answer. Find
out what village or town the pirates are from. Then just tell the
pirates that the village / town is going to be removed from the
desert sands via big bomb method. Then do it.
I say the world navies should declare a 'no go' zone to use as a
shipping channel. Any unauthorized boats step over the line...kaboom.
They'll get the message.
Click on this, dumbass, and tell me how that will work...

http://www.sailwx.info/shiptrack/shiplocations.phtml

I believe we're just talking about one particular area numbnuts.
Quit OD'n on those 'stupid pills'.

That map covers the entire world, dip****. Show us where you would draw
your moronic "No go zones".

Get back in your casket, stinko...

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...0/a87173e4.jpg


Wonder how often Diaper Dan gets his Depends changed?



Try a complete sentence next time, dummy. It will still be stupid as
hell but at least you will show an improvement.

Any latest news on the pirates and the oil tanker?
 

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On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:59:53 +0000, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7735144.stm


While true that you can't turn a, say, tanker into a battleship, you
certainly have the right by international law to protect yourself, the
cargo and the vessel.

If that means carying anti-tank weapons, automatic rifles or hiring
mercenaries to protect you, your cargo and your ship, that's perfectly
legal.

Absolutely, but protecting yourself is only a band-aid. If you want to
drastically reduce piracy, you have to take it to them, keep them locked
up in port. A few ships blockading their home ports, is worth many ships
on the high seas. However, under international law, a blockade is
illegal, and whether we like it or not, we do have an obligation to
follow international law.

Pirate ships don't come from "home" ports. A mother ship can stay off
shore for years being replenished by smaller boats from villages and
beaches.

Any latest news on the pirates and the oil tanker?
 

My gosh!

That tanker looks like it holds more under the water than above!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph...r_1115972c.jpg

i wonder what the balast is like when it's empty?

Any latest news on the pirates and the oil tanker?
 

On Nov 20, 11:04*am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 07:30:13 -0600, wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:59:53 +0000, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7735144.stm

While true that you can't turn a, say, tanker into a battleship, you
certainly have the right by international law to protect yourself, the
cargo and the vessel.

If that means carying anti-tank weapons, automatic rifles or hiring
mercenaries to protect you, your cargo and your ship, that's perfectly
legal.

Absolutely, but protecting yourself is only a band-aid. *If you want to
drastically reduce piracy, you have to take it to them, keep them locked
up in port. *A few ships blockading their home ports, is worth many ships
on the high seas. *However, under international law, a blockade is
illegal, and whether we like it or not, we do have an obligation to
follow international law.

Ok, let's take that last one first.

Why? *It's obvious that international law doesn't apply to the pirates
-and I hesitate to call them pirates, but that's the way of it or
perhaps the lack of international response to the crisis is giving
them idea that they can do pretty much anything they want.

Well, what happens when you are met with force? *Do you just sit back
and take it on the chin or do you reply with overwhelming force?

To my mind, if they are going to act illegally on the high seas, then
it's incumbent on the organized and civilized nations to take similar
action only with LOTS of force - legal beagle crap be damned.

And it's not like there is a lot of ambuguity as to who the perps are.
Tim's idea is a good one - declare an exclusion zone of two miles in
this area - anyone entering that zone without authorization will be
met with deadly force. *Assign an international escort force aboard
these vessels and enforce the Law of The Sea - namely, blow the
*******s out of the water and feed 'em to the sharks. *Do that once or
twice and I don't think this "piracy" will continue.

And no, I don't have a lot of sympathy for thieves or other criminals
so my opinion is necessarily colored by that. *:)

With respect to blockades - eh, they'll just move the base of
operations. *Why give 'em an excuse - get 'em where they live doesn't
seem exactly applicable in this situation.

Getting them while in the act - that's the way to go around it.

Tom, something like that might be in the brewing now.

http://yalibnan.com/site/archives/20...an_warship.php


"...These days, there is no question of a bombardment of the port of
Eyl, the main pirate base on the Somali coast. That might be the most
effective response but it would require a UN Security Council
resolution.

There is a resolution (1838, passed in October) which authorizes the
use of "necessary means", meaning force if need be, to stop piracy in
international waters. There is also another resolution (1816) which
allows anti-pirate operations within Somali waters, but only with the
agreement of the Somali transitional government...."

Any latest news on the pirates and the oil tanker?
 

Tim wrote:
My gosh!

That tanker looks like it holds more under the water than above!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph...r_1115972c.jpg

i wonder what the balast is like when it's empty?

The question is how much sea water do they have to take on to make the
vessel sea worthy on its voyage back to the gulf to get refilled with oil?

Any latest news on the pirates and the oil tanker?
 

Tim wrote:
On Nov 20, 11:04 am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 07:30:13 -0600, wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:59:53 +0000, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7735144.stm
While true that you can't turn a, say, tanker into a battleship, you
certainly have the right by international law to protect yourself, the
cargo and the vessel.
If that means carying anti-tank weapons, automatic rifles or hiring
mercenaries to protect you, your cargo and your ship, that's perfectly
legal.
Absolutely, but protecting yourself is only a band-aid. If you want to
drastically reduce piracy, you have to take it to them, keep them locked
up in port. A few ships blockading their home ports, is worth many ships
on the high seas. However, under international law, a blockade is
illegal, and whether we like it or not, we do have an obligation to
follow international law.
Ok, let's take that last one first.

Why? It's obvious that international law doesn't apply to the pirates
-and I hesitate to call them pirates, but that's the way of it or
perhaps the lack of international response to the crisis is giving
them idea that they can do pretty much anything they want.

Well, what happens when you are met with force? Do you just sit back
and take it on the chin or do you reply with overwhelming force?

To my mind, if they are going to act illegally on the high seas, then
it's incumbent on the organized and civilized nations to take similar
action only with LOTS of force - legal beagle crap be damned.

And it's not like there is a lot of ambuguity as to who the perps are.
Tim's idea is a good one - declare an exclusion zone of two miles in
this area - anyone entering that zone without authorization will be
met with deadly force. Assign an international escort force aboard
these vessels and enforce the Law of The Sea - namely, blow the
*******s out of the water and feed 'em to the sharks. Do that once or
twice and I don't think this "piracy" will continue.

And no, I don't have a lot of sympathy for thieves or other criminals
so my opinion is necessarily colored by that. :)

With respect to blockades - eh, they'll just move the base of
operations. Why give 'em an excuse - get 'em where they live doesn't
seem exactly applicable in this situation.

Getting them while in the act - that's the way to go around it.

Tom, something like that might be in the brewing now.

http://yalibnan.com/site/archives/20...an_warship.php


"...These days, there is no question of a bombardment of the port of
Eyl, the main pirate base on the Somali coast. That might be the most
effective response but it would require a UN Security Council
resolution.

There is a resolution (1838, passed in October) which authorizes the
use of "necessary means", meaning force if need be, to stop piracy in
international waters. There is also another resolution (1816) which
allows anti-pirate operations within Somali waters, but only with the
agreement of the Somali transitional government...."

Man of war vessels just need to ride the seas where the pirates ply
their trade and challenge them and stop them and board and inspect them.
If the suspected pirate vessels are found to be carrying contraband they
can be seized or sunk.