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Why I am dumping Nobeltec
"claus" wrote in message . .. "the_bmac" wrote in message ... claus wrote: Denny - I am running XP (SP2) on my laptop used for navigation purposes onboard the boat. I just downloaded the fix for the animated cursor flaw yesterday and was not aware that it allowed MS to install the "Call Home" function... so I need to get rid of that as my boat is not connected to the internet... what is the proper technical name for that function - and is there any way to disable it short of "rolling back" the software to the previous state??? Unfortunately you cannot rollback. If you were using automatic updates and this little POS got installed, you can't un-install it. The only solution is to fdisk-format-reinstall, which of course leads into the same "upgrade" hell cycle you've just completed. If you're not willing to go Mac or Linux, you're simply going to have to starts whistling "Always Look on the Bright Side of Life". My maiin concern is that the operating system would stop functioning if my PC is not connected to the internet while I am out cruising... Or am I misunderstanding Denney's post? According to the windows xp discussion group: No, it does not. :) "claus" wrote in message ... I am using windows XP (SP2) to run navigational software on my boat. Is it correct that the latest "animated cursor" fix also installs a "Call Home" feature that will make the OS inoperative if the PC can not "call in" to Microsoft. In that case I - and everyone else using a PC on a boat (or any other location without internet access) - have a big problem. Not using the navigational software is obviously not an option. Have I misunderstood something??? Thank you for any clarification... |
Why I am dumping Nobeltec
claus wrote:
My maiin concern is that the operating system would stop functioning if my PC is not connected to the internet while I am out cruising... I don't think that will happen, but of course with Windows just about anything is possible. That wasn't meant in a particularly complimentary fashion. |
Why I am dumping Nobeltec
"Bruce in Alaska" wrote in message
... In article l, "Meindert Sprang" wrote: A Mac Mini makes a fine navigation computer... Meindert As Well as a "Fantastic" DVD and Music Player, and a bunch of other computing functions...... Precisely. And hardly any viruses around.... Meindert |
Why I am dumping Nobeltec
I had enough problems with previous versions of Nobletec to make me say
"enough is enough." The show-stopper was, the program would freeze occasionally, completely freezing the computer. After shutdown and rebooting, Nobletec would not run unless it was completely removed and reinstalled. This happened about once a week. It's a shame, because otherwise it was a pretty nice program. If only they bothered to work out the bugs... Matt O. On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:39:40 -0600, sd.sded wrote: Or maybe they dumped me? Has anyone else been faced with the problem that Nobeltec VNS is unusable and downright destructive on a Vista system-and that Microsoft has forced their vendors to only offer Vista now on new computers. Nobeltec appears to be unique in the charting software world by simply refusing to deal with it. Since it finally bit me, I sent them the email below, although I don't really expect anything from them. I use charting software for planning and replanning trips, and had continued to use VNS for many years because it has most features and I was comfortable with its foibles. Now forced to go to Plan B. Just a warning to others using VNS. Why I am dumping Nobeltec "I am a long time user of Nobeltec VNS since the original Navtrek days. We are currently in Mexico, preparing to go back to California. Have been using VNS 8 under Windows XP, with only some minor glitches (like unable to download routes and waypoints from a Raymarine). Had a computer die, only replacements available run Vista OS. Nobeltec does not run at all under Vista-most of your competitors do. Tried installing, got error messages. When I removed it completely, it took a lot of other (non-Nobeltec) programs with it, so I had t spend time reconstructing stuff. Ordered a copy of Maptech Chart Navigator Pro (Vista compatible), which someone will carry from the states to me. In the interim, using a free program called SeaClear, which works fine under Vista, processes AIS, but lacks the planning tools of the majors. Things like OziExplorer, Fugawi, etc. Also run fine under Vista. Nobeltec abandoned us in Mexico, so time to find someone else. If you still have your support files, you will find this is not the first major support issue I have had with Nobeltec. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, ... " |
Why I am dumping Nobeltec
Matt O'Toole wrote:
I had enough problems with previous versions of Nobletec to make me say "enough is enough." The show-stopper was, the program would freeze occasionally, completely freezing the computer. After shutdown and rebooting, Nobletec would not run unless it was completely removed and reinstalled. This happened about once a week. It's a shame, because otherwise it was a pretty nice program. If only they bothered to work out the bugs... Matt O. On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:39:40 -0600, sd.sded wrote: Or maybe they dumped me? Has anyone else been faced with the problem that Nobeltec VNS is unusable and downright destructive on a Vista system-and that Microsoft has forced their vendors to only offer Vista now on new computers. Nobeltec appears to be unique in the charting software world by simply refusing to deal with it. Since it finally bit me, I sent them the email below, although I don't really expect anything from them. I use charting software for planning and replanning trips, and had continued to use VNS for many years because it has most features and I was comfortable with its foibles. Now forced to go to Plan B. Just a warning to others using VNS. Why I am dumping Nobeltec "I am a long time user of Nobeltec VNS since the original Navtrek days. We are currently in Mexico, preparing to go back to California. Have been using VNS 8 under Windows XP, with only some minor glitches (like unable to download routes and waypoints from a Raymarine). Had a computer die, only replacements available run Vista OS. Nobeltec does not run at all under Vista-most of your competitors do. Tried installing, got error messages. When I removed it completely, it took a lot of other (non-Nobeltec) programs with it, so I had t spend time reconstructing stuff. Ordered a copy of Maptech Chart Navigator Pro (Vista compatible), which someone will carry from the states to me. In the interim, using a free program called SeaClear, which works fine under Vista, processes AIS, but lacks the planning tools of the majors. Things like OziExplorer, Fugawi, etc. Also run fine under Vista. Nobeltec abandoned us in Mexico, so time to find someone else. If you still have your support files, you will find this is not the first major support issue I have had with Nobeltec. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, ... " I've been running Nobeltec since before it was Nobeltec. It was originally Chart View until It was bought out. I have run versions 4 to the current version 9 and haven't had it freeze up my computer. I run Windows 2000 NT Professional OS. |
Why I am dumping Nobeltec
Matt O'Toole wrote:
I had enough problems with previous versions of Nobletec to make me say "enough is enough." The show-stopper was, the program would freeze occasionally, completely freezing the computer. After shutdown and rebooting, Nobletec would not run unless it was completely removed and reinstalled. This happened about once a week. It's a shame, because otherwise it was a pretty nice program. If only they bothered to work out the bugs... Matt O. I don't have a boat or use a navigation software full time but I've twice loaded the trial version of Rose Point's Coastal Navigator and I really liked that software. It is very easy to master in use and does a very good job with the NOAA free charting, both vector and raster. It is worth taking a look at. I had a couple of experiences with other people's installs of it it was troublesome to say the least. On one, we spent most of the time using my Garmin handheld to cover the lapses in the primary navigation system and making sure it was on track and doing good. In the meantime, SeaClear II is arguably the best freeware navigation software in the world, a truly generous donation to the public domain. Jack -- Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA - jackerbes at adelphia dot net (also receiving email at jacker at midmaine.com) |
Why I am dumping Nobeltec
I'm not using illegal software but that is more than I could handle.
Yeah, tell the auto updater not to load a specific update, and check a box telling it never to ask again. Yeah, sounds like WAY TOO MUCH work. |
Why I am dumping Nobeltec
I don't have a boat or use a navigation software full time but I've
twice loaded the trial version of Rose Point's Coastal Navigator and I really liked that software. It is very easy to master in use and does a very good job with the NOAA free charting, both vector and raster. It is worth taking a look at. Maptech private labels this and resells it with a dozen US waters DVDs (maps, pix, depths, info) and calls it "Chart Navigator Pro". I picked it up for $350 online. An *excellent* package and quite a bargain since it includes nearly all US navigable waters. In the meantime, SeaClear II is arguably the best freeware navigation software in the world, a truly generous donation to the public domain. SeaClear is worth the price paid; ie nothing. It's just nowhere near friendly to use. My time is worth more than the hassles of using it. |
Why I am dumping Nobeltec
On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 18:35:29 -0500, Jack Erbes wrote:
Matt O'Toole wrote: I had enough problems with previous versions of Nobletec to make me say "enough is enough." The show-stopper was, the program would freeze occasionally, completely freezing the computer. After shutdown and rebooting, Nobletec would not run unless it was completely removed and reinstalled. This happened about once a week. It's a shame, because otherwise it was a pretty nice program. If only they bothered to work out the bugs... Matt O. I don't have a boat or use a navigation software full time but I've twice loaded the trial version of Rose Point's Coastal Navigator and I really liked that software. It is very easy to master in use and does a very good job with the NOAA free charting, both vector and raster. It is worth taking a look at. I had a couple of experiences with other people's installs of it it was troublesome to say the least. On one, we spent most of the time using my Garmin handheld to cover the lapses in the primary navigation system and making sure it was on track and doing good. In the meantime, SeaClear II is arguably the best freeware navigation software in the world, a truly generous donation to the public domain. I've used all the major brands -- Nobletec, Maptech, The Cap'n, and one or two others, and several versions of each. The owner of the boat I sail on was Maptech customer #3 (mid-80s), and is always looking for the latest, easiest setup. Of all this software, the easiest to use, most useful, and most reliable has been Maptech 1.0 for DOS. We still have it and use it occasionally, when our current setup is acting up. (Now we use Pocket Navigator on an iPaq.) I've been tempted to write reviews of all this stuff, but I've never gotten around to it. Since we've started using Pocket Navigator, which we've been pretty happy with, a lot of the other brands have improved their software a lot, plus new things have come out. So I'm not really up to speed on what's come out in the last 3-4 years. I'd like to try some of the new stuff, but we're happy with what we're using now. Back to Nobletec, every other user I know has had problems similar to mine. That's a bunch of folks -- at one point Nobletec had about 50% market share. To be fair, all the other programs have glitches that are as annoying as Nobletec's bugs. I'd really like to see nav software written for something other than Windows -- Linux, MacOS, etc. Matt O. |
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