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Why I am dumping Nobeltec
Or maybe they dumped me? Has anyone else been faced with the problem
that Nobeltec VNS is unusable and downright destructive on a Vista system-and that Microsoft has forced their vendors to only offer Vista now on new computers. Nobeltec appears to be unique in the charting software world by simply refusing to deal with it. Since it finally bit me, I sent them the email below, although I don't really expect anything from them. I use charting software for planning and replanning trips, and had continued to use VNS for many years because it has most features and I was comfortable with its foibles. Now forced to go to Plan B. Just a warning to others using VNS. Why I am dumping Nobeltec "I am a long time user of Nobeltec VNS since the original Navtrek days. We are currently in Mexico, preparing to go back to California. Have been using VNS 8 under Windows XP, with only some minor glitches (like unable to download routes and waypoints from a Raymarine). Had a computer die, only replacements available run Vista OS. Nobeltec does not run at all under Vista-most of your competitors do. Tried installing, got error messages. When I removed it completely, it took a lot of other (non-Nobeltec) programs with it, so I had t spend time reconstructing stuff. Ordered a copy of Maptech Chart Navigator Pro (Vista compatible), which someone will carry from the states to me. In the interim, using a free program called SeaClear, which works fine under Vista, processes AIS, but lacks the planning tools of the majors. Things like OziExplorer, Fugawi, etc. Also run fine under Vista. Nobeltec abandoned us in Mexico, so time to find someone else. If you still have your support files, you will find this is not the first major support issue I have had with Nobeltec. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, ... " |
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Suggestion: stick with your Nobeltec and DUMP THE ##@&%%*)^ VISTA.
I recently bought a new Dell desktop--with Vista aboard--and spent 2 days trying to get my old files transferred and everything working. Impossible. I returned the computer to Dell, admitting the problem was the OS, not the machine. But they sold me a product I could NOT use, and I said I expected a full refund. Dell, bless their weird bones, complied. We're running Maptech gear on our boat, with Windows XP. When its time to replace the onboard laptop, I'll go with a Mac if I have to in order to avoid Vista. I lay this wholly at Microsoft's feet. XP has been working fine. It is fairly stable, hence reliable. But Microsoft had to pump its profits by force feeding a new OS on the world at large. Anyone care to join my one-man boycott? Dick B. LNVT "Annie" wrote in message ... Or maybe they dumped me? Has anyone else been faced with the problem that Nobeltec VNS is unusable and downright destructive on a Vista system-and that Microsoft has forced their vendors to only offer Vista now on new computers. Nobeltec appears to be unique in the charting software world by simply refusing to deal with it. Since it finally bit me, I sent them the email below, although I don't really expect anything from them. I use charting software for planning and replanning trips, and had continued to use VNS for many years because it has most features and I was comfortable with its foibles. Now forced to go to Plan B. Just a warning to others using VNS. Why I am dumping Nobeltec "I am a long time user of Nobeltec VNS since the original Navtrek days. We are currently in Mexico, preparing to go back to California. Have been using VNS 8 under Windows XP, with only some minor glitches (like unable to download routes and waypoints from a Raymarine). Had a computer die, only replacements available run Vista OS. Nobeltec does not run at all under Vista-most of your competitors do. Tried installing, got error messages. When I removed it completely, it took a lot of other (non-Nobeltec) programs with it, so I had t spend time reconstructing stuff. Ordered a copy of Maptech Chart Navigator Pro (Vista compatible), which someone will carry from the states to me. In the interim, using a free program called SeaClear, which works fine under Vista, processes AIS, but lacks the planning tools of the majors. Things like OziExplorer, Fugawi, etc. Also run fine under Vista. Nobeltec abandoned us in Mexico, so time to find someone else. If you still have your support files, you will find this is not the first major support issue I have had with Nobeltec. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, ... " |
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R.W. Behan wrote:
Suggestion: stick with your Nobeltec and DUMP THE ##@&%%*)^ VISTA. I recently bought a new Dell desktop--with Vista aboard--and spent 2 days trying to get my old files transferred and everything working. Impossible. I returned the computer to Dell, admitting the problem was the OS, not the machine. But they sold me a product I could NOT use, and I said I expected a full refund. Dell, bless their weird bones, complied. We're running Maptech gear on our boat, with Windows XP. When its time to replace the onboard laptop, I'll go with a Mac if I have to in order to avoid Vista. I lay this wholly at Microsoft's feet. XP has been working fine. It is fairly stable, hence reliable. But Microsoft had to pump its profits by force feeding a new OS on the world at large. Anyone care to join my one-man boycott? What makes you think its a one-man affair??? :) :) |
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Sjouke Burry wrote:
R.W. Behan wrote: Suggestion: stick with your Nobeltec and DUMP THE ##@&%%*)^ VISTA. snip Anyone care to join my one-man boycott? What makes you think its a one-man affair??? :) :) Amen! I'm still using and am happy with Windows 2000 while I wait for XP to get stable. Maybe a few more years and I'll consider switching to XP. What the Hell! *is* it with people? Just because it is new they jump on it? Oh look! Where are all those lemmings going? Let's go with them! Jeeze, Jack -- Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA - jackerbes at adelphia dot net (also receiving email at jacker at midmaine.com) |
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The complaints about Vista are only beginning... In my business I
have multiple computers running both Server 2003 and XP... The software running on these machines are my paycheck, without them there is no cash flow... The software is expensive and it is not Vista compatible... So OS upgrades to Vista will have to wait until Vista is stable and my vendors choose to upgrade their product to it... In the event we lose a machine totally we will buy new hardware and load XP/2003 on it ourselves... You are only forced into Vista if you want a turnkey product from Dell, etc... If you are willing to find some pimple faced 14 year old hacker kid, he can whip you up a computer with any OS you need... denny |
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Vic Smith wrote:
On 4 Apr 2007 04:41:35 -0700, "Denny" wrote: The complaints about Vista are only beginning... In my business I have multiple computers running both Server 2003 and XP... The software running on these machines are my paycheck, without them there is no cash flow... The software is expensive and it is not Vista compatible... So OS upgrades to Vista will have to wait until Vista is stable and my vendors choose to upgrade their product to it... In the event we lose a machine totally we will buy new hardware and load XP/2003 on it ourselves... You are only forced into Vista if you want a turnkey product from Dell, etc... If you are willing to find some pimple faced 14 year old hacker kid, he can whip you up a computer with any OS you need... I'll throw my chips in with the no-Vista-for-now crowd. .... Open source is the way forward guys. Forget M$. Think of it like being seated on a surf board, waiting for a wave, you can feel the backwash just starting but you can't see the crest forming yet. China, India, Brazil have all implemented plans to go Open Source. Has anyone read "The Tipping Point"? |
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On 4 Apr 2007 04:41:35 -0700, "Denny" wrote:
The complaints about Vista are only beginning... In my business I have multiple computers running both Server 2003 and XP... The software running on these machines are my paycheck, without them there is no cash flow... The software is expensive and it is not Vista compatible... So OS upgrades to Vista will have to wait until Vista is stable and my vendors choose to upgrade their product to it... In the event we lose a machine totally we will buy new hardware and load XP/2003 on it ourselves... You are only forced into Vista if you want a turnkey product from Dell, etc... If you are willing to find some pimple faced 14 year old hacker kid, he can whip you up a computer with any OS you need... I'll throw my chips in with the no-Vista-for-now crowd. Might be 4 or 5 years before it's practical for me to change to Vista. XP will fine for me until I want an app that XP won't support. I don't know of *any* recent - within 5 years - Win app without XP compatibility, and most new apps will be XP compatible for some years to come. Getting Vista now is a sucker play if you want software (including some hardware drivers) compatibility. Having said that I don't have sympathy for Nobeltec either. They knew what was in the works and should have had their Vista upgrade ready. They'll probably lose more than one customer. --Vic |
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Nobeltec says on their website, and in an e-mail to their registered
customers, that VNS wasn't ready to use with Vista. There are a lot of problems with using Vista on a computer, not the least of which it needs to contact the mothership (MS) on an ongoing basis, or it shuts down. Not a good scenario when you're out cruising and not plugged in all the time. My nav computer is dedicated to that, and never connects to the internet. I can't and won't use Vista. |
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On Apr 3, 11:45 pm, "R.W. Behan" wrote:
Suggestion: stick with your Nobeltec and DUMP THE ##@&%%*)^ VISTA. I recently bought a new Dell desktop--with Vista aboard--and spent 2 days trying to get my old files transferred and everything working. Impossible. I returned the computer to Dell, admitting the problem was the OS, not the machine. But they sold me a product I could NOT use, and I said I expected a full refund. Dell, bless their weird bones, complied. We're running Maptech gear on our boat, with Windows XP. When its time to replace the onboard laptop, I'll go with a Mac if I have to in order to avoid Vista. I lay this wholly at Microsoft's feet. XP has been working fine. It is fairly stable, hence reliable. But Microsoft had to pump its profits by force feeding a new OS on the world at large. Anyone care to join my one-man boycott? Dick B. LNVT "Annie" wrote in message ... Or maybe they dumped me? Has anyone else been faced with the problem that Nobeltec VNS is unusable and downright destructive on a Vista system-and that Microsoft has forced their vendors to only offer Vista now on new computers. Nobeltec appears to be unique in the charting software world by simply refusing to deal with it. Since it finally bit me, I sent them the email below, although I don't really expect anything from them. I use charting software for planning and replanning trips, and had continued to use VNS for many years because it has most features and I was comfortable with its foibles. Now forced to go to Plan B. Just a warning to others using VNS. Why I am dumping Nobeltec "I am a long time user of Nobeltec VNS since the original Navtrek days. We are currently in Mexico, preparing to go back to California. Have been using VNS 8 under Windows XP, with only some minor glitches (like unable to download routes and waypoints from a Raymarine). Had a computer die, only replacements available run Vista OS. Nobeltec does not run at all under Vista-most of your competitors do. Tried installing, got error messages. When I removed it completely, it took a lot of other (non-Nobeltec) programs with it, so I had t spend time reconstructing stuff. Ordered a copy of Maptech Chart Navigator Pro (Vista compatible), which someone will carry from the states to me. In the interim, using a free program called SeaClear, which works fine under Vista, processes AIS, but lacks the planning tools of the majors. Things like OziExplorer, Fugawi, etc. Also run fine under Vista. Nobeltec abandoned us in Mexico, so time to find someone else. If you still have your support files, you will find this is not the first major support issue I have had with Nobeltec. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, ... " ive been seeing suse for sometime now. |
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On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 05:55:37 -0500, Jack Erbes
wrote: What the Hell! *is* it with people? Just because it is new they jump on it? Oh look! Where are all those lemmings going? Let's go with them! The problem is with the computer vendors and Microsoft. Microsoft's lock-in contracts with PC manufaturers have made it practically impossible for them to sell a computer without an operating system, a Microsoft operating system in most cases. So if you buy a new PC, you are going to get the latest and greatest whether you want it or not. If you strip Vista off and install Win2K or XP, you are putting the warranty at risk, and you have wasted money since the cost of Vista is built in and you don't have the ability to resell the operating system. I avoid this issue by buying off-lease/reconditioned laptops, usually with no operating system but sometimes with Win2K or XP. Typical cost is in the $300 to $400 range and I get years of boat service out of them. |
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On 2007-04-04 04:52:36 -0400, Sjouke Burry
said: R.W. Behan wrote: Suggestion: stick with your Nobeltec and DUMP THE ##@&%%*)^ VISTA. I recently bought a new Dell desktop--with Vista aboard--and spent 2 days trying to get my old files transferred and everything working. Impossible. I returned the computer to Dell, admitting the problem was the OS, not the machine. But they sold me a product I could NOT use, and I said I expected a full refund. Dell, bless their weird bones, complied. We're running Maptech gear on our boat, with Windows XP. When its time to replace the onboard laptop, I'll go with a Mac if I have to in order to avoid Vista. I lay this wholly at Microsoft's feet. XP has been working fine. It is fairly stable, hence reliable. But Microsoft had to pump its profits by force feeding a new OS on the world at large. Anyone care to join my one-man boycott? What makes you think its a one-man affair??? :) :) Definitely ain't one-man... Just had to rebuild my machine (danged disk-drives) and loaded NO MicroS..T products on the machine. -- Jere Lull Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's new pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI pages: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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On Apr 4, 9:46 am, "Keith" wrote:
Nobeltec says on their website, and in an e-mail to their registered customers, that VNS wasn't ready to use with Vista. There are a lot of problems with using Vista on a computer, not the least of which it needs to contact the mothership (MS) on an ongoing basis, or it shuts down. Not a good scenario when you're out cruising and not plugged in all the time. My nav computer is dedicated to that, and never connects to the internet. I can't and won't use Vista. Interestingly, the latest fix for the animated cursor flaw required me to allow MS to install the "call home ET" function on my XP machines... I had been refusing that particular download for some time but now MS refuses to download the fix if you do not give Billy unlimited access to your machines... While all my machines have legal copies of XP/2003 on them it is still annoying... And I am building my retirement boat and the OS not being able to "call home" an issue I will have to address in the near future... There may be an Apple in my future... denny denny |
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Wow. Thanks for that great posting. It sure generated a lot of replies with
even more support and useful insights. Seems evident that MS has shot itself in the foot with Vista Dog. They sure don't seem to play well with the rest of the others. Len -- Eliminate "ns" for email address. Or maybe they dumped me? Has anyone else been faced with the problem that Nobeltec VNS is unusable and downright destructive on a Vista system-and that Microsoft has forced their vendors to only offer Vista now on new computers. Nobeltec appears to be unique in the charting software world by simply refusing to deal with it. Since it finally bit me, I sent them the email below, although I don't really expect anything from them. I use charting software for planning and replanning trips, and had continued to use VNS for many years because it has most features and I was comfortable with its foibles. Now forced to go to Plan B. Just a warning to others using VNS. Why I am dumping Nobeltec "I am a long time user of Nobeltec VNS since the original Navtrek days. We are currently in Mexico, preparing to go back to California. Have been using VNS 8 under Windows XP, with only some minor glitches (like unable to download routes and waypoints from a Raymarine). Had a computer die, only replacements available run Vista OS. Nobeltec does not run at all under Vista-most of your competitors do. Tried installing, got error messages. When I removed it completely, it took a lot of other (non-Nobeltec) programs with it, so I had t spend time reconstructing stuff. Ordered a copy of Maptech Chart Navigator Pro (Vista compatible), which someone will carry from the states to me. In the interim, using a free program called SeaClear, which works fine under Vista, processes AIS, but lacks the planning tools of the majors. Things like OziExplorer, Fugawi, etc. Also run fine under Vista. Nobeltec abandoned us in Mexico, so time to find someone else. If you still have your support files, you will find this is not the first major support issue I have had with Nobeltec. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, ... " |
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"Denny" wrote in message oups.com... Interestingly, the latest fix for the animated cursor flaw required me to allow MS to install the "call home ET" function on my XP machines... I had been refusing that particular download for some time but now MS refuses to download the fix if you do not give Billy unlimited access to your machines... While all my machines have legal copies of XP/2003 on them it is still annoying... And I am building my retirement boat and the OS not being able to "call home" an issue I will have to address in the near future... There may be an Apple in my future... Denny - I am running XP (SP2) on my laptop used for navigation purposes onboard the boat. I just downloaded the fix for the animated cursor flaw yesterday and was not aware that it allowed MS to install the "Call Home" function... so I need to get rid of that as my boat is not connected to the internet... what is the proper technical name for that function - and is there any way to disable it short of "rolling back" the software to the previous state??? Claus |
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"Denny" wrote in message
oups.com... And I am building my retirement boat and the OS not being able to "call home" an issue I will have to address in the near future... There may be an Apple in my future... A Mac Mini makes a fine navigation computer... Meindert |
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This is a pretty good overview of the issue:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Genuine_Advantage. -- Tom. |
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claus wrote:
Denny - I am running XP (SP2) on my laptop used for navigation purposes onboard the boat. I just downloaded the fix for the animated cursor flaw yesterday and was not aware that it allowed MS to install the "Call Home" function... so I need to get rid of that as my boat is not connected to the internet... what is the proper technical name for that function - and is there any way to disable it short of "rolling back" the software to the previous state??? Unfortunately you cannot rollback. If you were using automatic updates and this little POS got installed, you can't un-install it. The only solution is to fdisk-format-reinstall, which of course leads into the same "upgrade" hell cycle you've just completed. If you're not willing to go Mac or Linux, you're simply going to have to starts whistling "Always Look on the Bright Side of Life". |
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In article l,
"Meindert Sprang" wrote: "Denny" wrote in message oups.com... And I am building my retirement boat and the OS not being able to "call home" an issue I will have to address in the near future... There may be an Apple in my future... A Mac Mini makes a fine navigation computer... Meindert As Well as a "Fantastic" DVD and Music Player, and a bunch of other computing functions...... Bruce in alaska -- add a 2 before @ |
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....
Unfortunately you cannot rollback. ... According to the wiki you can roll back by "removing the reference to WGALOGON.DLL using HijackThis appears to effectively de-activate this update, to the point where it will be offered again if it has not been marked "do not show"". Or your firewall may be able to block access to wgatray.exe. FWIW, I strongly recommend checking custom when doing updates and then reading each description carefully. Microsoft does not have your best interests at heart. -- Tom. |
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"the_bmac" wrote in message ... claus wrote: Denny - I am running XP (SP2) on my laptop used for navigation purposes onboard the boat. I just downloaded the fix for the animated cursor flaw yesterday and was not aware that it allowed MS to install the "Call Home" function... so I need to get rid of that as my boat is not connected to the internet... what is the proper technical name for that function - and is there any way to disable it short of "rolling back" the software to the previous state??? Unfortunately you cannot rollback. If you were using automatic updates and this little POS got installed, you can't un-install it. The only solution is to fdisk-format-reinstall, which of course leads into the same "upgrade" hell cycle you've just completed. If you're not willing to go Mac or Linux, you're simply going to have to starts whistling "Always Look on the Bright Side of Life". My maiin concern is that the operating system would stop functioning if my PC is not connected to the internet while I am out cruising... Or am I misunderstanding Denney's post? |
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"claus" wrote in message . .. "the_bmac" wrote in message ... claus wrote: Denny - I am running XP (SP2) on my laptop used for navigation purposes onboard the boat. I just downloaded the fix for the animated cursor flaw yesterday and was not aware that it allowed MS to install the "Call Home" function... so I need to get rid of that as my boat is not connected to the internet... what is the proper technical name for that function - and is there any way to disable it short of "rolling back" the software to the previous state??? Unfortunately you cannot rollback. If you were using automatic updates and this little POS got installed, you can't un-install it. The only solution is to fdisk-format-reinstall, which of course leads into the same "upgrade" hell cycle you've just completed. If you're not willing to go Mac or Linux, you're simply going to have to starts whistling "Always Look on the Bright Side of Life". My maiin concern is that the operating system would stop functioning if my PC is not connected to the internet while I am out cruising... Or am I misunderstanding Denney's post? According to the windows xp discussion group: No, it does not. :) "claus" wrote in message ... I am using windows XP (SP2) to run navigational software on my boat. Is it correct that the latest "animated cursor" fix also installs a "Call Home" feature that will make the OS inoperative if the PC can not "call in" to Microsoft. In that case I - and everyone else using a PC on a boat (or any other location without internet access) - have a big problem. Not using the navigational software is obviously not an option. Have I misunderstood something??? Thank you for any clarification... |
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claus wrote:
My maiin concern is that the operating system would stop functioning if my PC is not connected to the internet while I am out cruising... I don't think that will happen, but of course with Windows just about anything is possible. That wasn't meant in a particularly complimentary fashion. |
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"Bruce in Alaska" wrote in message
... In article l, "Meindert Sprang" wrote: A Mac Mini makes a fine navigation computer... Meindert As Well as a "Fantastic" DVD and Music Player, and a bunch of other computing functions...... Precisely. And hardly any viruses around.... Meindert |
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I had enough problems with previous versions of Nobletec to make me say
"enough is enough." The show-stopper was, the program would freeze occasionally, completely freezing the computer. After shutdown and rebooting, Nobletec would not run unless it was completely removed and reinstalled. This happened about once a week. It's a shame, because otherwise it was a pretty nice program. If only they bothered to work out the bugs... Matt O. On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:39:40 -0600, sd.sded wrote: Or maybe they dumped me? Has anyone else been faced with the problem that Nobeltec VNS is unusable and downright destructive on a Vista system-and that Microsoft has forced their vendors to only offer Vista now on new computers. Nobeltec appears to be unique in the charting software world by simply refusing to deal with it. Since it finally bit me, I sent them the email below, although I don't really expect anything from them. I use charting software for planning and replanning trips, and had continued to use VNS for many years because it has most features and I was comfortable with its foibles. Now forced to go to Plan B. Just a warning to others using VNS. Why I am dumping Nobeltec "I am a long time user of Nobeltec VNS since the original Navtrek days. We are currently in Mexico, preparing to go back to California. Have been using VNS 8 under Windows XP, with only some minor glitches (like unable to download routes and waypoints from a Raymarine). Had a computer die, only replacements available run Vista OS. Nobeltec does not run at all under Vista-most of your competitors do. Tried installing, got error messages. When I removed it completely, it took a lot of other (non-Nobeltec) programs with it, so I had t spend time reconstructing stuff. Ordered a copy of Maptech Chart Navigator Pro (Vista compatible), which someone will carry from the states to me. In the interim, using a free program called SeaClear, which works fine under Vista, processes AIS, but lacks the planning tools of the majors. Things like OziExplorer, Fugawi, etc. Also run fine under Vista. Nobeltec abandoned us in Mexico, so time to find someone else. If you still have your support files, you will find this is not the first major support issue I have had with Nobeltec. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, ... " |
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Matt O'Toole wrote:
I had enough problems with previous versions of Nobletec to make me say "enough is enough." The show-stopper was, the program would freeze occasionally, completely freezing the computer. After shutdown and rebooting, Nobletec would not run unless it was completely removed and reinstalled. This happened about once a week. It's a shame, because otherwise it was a pretty nice program. If only they bothered to work out the bugs... Matt O. On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:39:40 -0600, sd.sded wrote: Or maybe they dumped me? Has anyone else been faced with the problem that Nobeltec VNS is unusable and downright destructive on a Vista system-and that Microsoft has forced their vendors to only offer Vista now on new computers. Nobeltec appears to be unique in the charting software world by simply refusing to deal with it. Since it finally bit me, I sent them the email below, although I don't really expect anything from them. I use charting software for planning and replanning trips, and had continued to use VNS for many years because it has most features and I was comfortable with its foibles. Now forced to go to Plan B. Just a warning to others using VNS. Why I am dumping Nobeltec "I am a long time user of Nobeltec VNS since the original Navtrek days. We are currently in Mexico, preparing to go back to California. Have been using VNS 8 under Windows XP, with only some minor glitches (like unable to download routes and waypoints from a Raymarine). Had a computer die, only replacements available run Vista OS. Nobeltec does not run at all under Vista-most of your competitors do. Tried installing, got error messages. When I removed it completely, it took a lot of other (non-Nobeltec) programs with it, so I had t spend time reconstructing stuff. Ordered a copy of Maptech Chart Navigator Pro (Vista compatible), which someone will carry from the states to me. In the interim, using a free program called SeaClear, which works fine under Vista, processes AIS, but lacks the planning tools of the majors. Things like OziExplorer, Fugawi, etc. Also run fine under Vista. Nobeltec abandoned us in Mexico, so time to find someone else. If you still have your support files, you will find this is not the first major support issue I have had with Nobeltec. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, ... " I've been running Nobeltec since before it was Nobeltec. It was originally Chart View until It was bought out. I have run versions 4 to the current version 9 and haven't had it freeze up my computer. I run Windows 2000 NT Professional OS. |
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Matt O'Toole wrote:
I had enough problems with previous versions of Nobletec to make me say "enough is enough." The show-stopper was, the program would freeze occasionally, completely freezing the computer. After shutdown and rebooting, Nobletec would not run unless it was completely removed and reinstalled. This happened about once a week. It's a shame, because otherwise it was a pretty nice program. If only they bothered to work out the bugs... Matt O. I don't have a boat or use a navigation software full time but I've twice loaded the trial version of Rose Point's Coastal Navigator and I really liked that software. It is very easy to master in use and does a very good job with the NOAA free charting, both vector and raster. It is worth taking a look at. I had a couple of experiences with other people's installs of it it was troublesome to say the least. On one, we spent most of the time using my Garmin handheld to cover the lapses in the primary navigation system and making sure it was on track and doing good. In the meantime, SeaClear II is arguably the best freeware navigation software in the world, a truly generous donation to the public domain. Jack -- Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA - jackerbes at adelphia dot net (also receiving email at jacker at midmaine.com) |
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I'm not using illegal software but that is more than I could handle.
Yeah, tell the auto updater not to load a specific update, and check a box telling it never to ask again. Yeah, sounds like WAY TOO MUCH work. |
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I don't have a boat or use a navigation software full time but I've
twice loaded the trial version of Rose Point's Coastal Navigator and I really liked that software. It is very easy to master in use and does a very good job with the NOAA free charting, both vector and raster. It is worth taking a look at. Maptech private labels this and resells it with a dozen US waters DVDs (maps, pix, depths, info) and calls it "Chart Navigator Pro". I picked it up for $350 online. An *excellent* package and quite a bargain since it includes nearly all US navigable waters. In the meantime, SeaClear II is arguably the best freeware navigation software in the world, a truly generous donation to the public domain. SeaClear is worth the price paid; ie nothing. It's just nowhere near friendly to use. My time is worth more than the hassles of using it. |
Why I am dumping Nobeltec
On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 18:35:29 -0500, Jack Erbes wrote:
Matt O'Toole wrote: I had enough problems with previous versions of Nobletec to make me say "enough is enough." The show-stopper was, the program would freeze occasionally, completely freezing the computer. After shutdown and rebooting, Nobletec would not run unless it was completely removed and reinstalled. This happened about once a week. It's a shame, because otherwise it was a pretty nice program. If only they bothered to work out the bugs... Matt O. I don't have a boat or use a navigation software full time but I've twice loaded the trial version of Rose Point's Coastal Navigator and I really liked that software. It is very easy to master in use and does a very good job with the NOAA free charting, both vector and raster. It is worth taking a look at. I had a couple of experiences with other people's installs of it it was troublesome to say the least. On one, we spent most of the time using my Garmin handheld to cover the lapses in the primary navigation system and making sure it was on track and doing good. In the meantime, SeaClear II is arguably the best freeware navigation software in the world, a truly generous donation to the public domain. I've used all the major brands -- Nobletec, Maptech, The Cap'n, and one or two others, and several versions of each. The owner of the boat I sail on was Maptech customer #3 (mid-80s), and is always looking for the latest, easiest setup. Of all this software, the easiest to use, most useful, and most reliable has been Maptech 1.0 for DOS. We still have it and use it occasionally, when our current setup is acting up. (Now we use Pocket Navigator on an iPaq.) I've been tempted to write reviews of all this stuff, but I've never gotten around to it. Since we've started using Pocket Navigator, which we've been pretty happy with, a lot of the other brands have improved their software a lot, plus new things have come out. So I'm not really up to speed on what's come out in the last 3-4 years. I'd like to try some of the new stuff, but we're happy with what we're using now. Back to Nobletec, every other user I know has had problems similar to mine. That's a bunch of folks -- at one point Nobletec had about 50% market share. To be fair, all the other programs have glitches that are as annoying as Nobletec's bugs. I'd really like to see nav software written for something other than Windows -- Linux, MacOS, etc. Matt O. |
Why I am dumping Nobeltec
ive been seeing suse for sometime now. having any troubles? |
Why I am dumping Nobeltec
You have gotten good advice on how to disable the call home function
of XP... As far as I know at this time that call home function on XP will not disable XP OS functions if you are not hooked to the internet.. It will likely generate annoying messages ad infinitum... I have chosen to leave the call home function installed on the multiple machines at my office as the OS are all registered and the machines have 24/7 internet access... At this point in time it is easier to go along with Billy than to fight him... Vista is a different kettle of fish.. If it is not able to tattle on you it will selectively disable some of the OS.... I have no personal experience with Vista, only what my vendors tell me.. Given that my software vendors are showing little interest in dealing with Vista's crap I am an XP user for the forseeable future.. I just bought an NIB Pentium yesterday, a really nice 2.9 gig HP with a gig of ram and lots of bells and whistles... While we did not need it at the moment the price was right and it has XP Pro on board so I don't have to go throught the agony of unloading Vista and it will work with our business software... My retirement boat is under construction right now so in about 6 months I will be deep into installing the navigation equipment... At that time I will have to survey the landscape and decide what OS to have on board... denny MV 'Levitation', 50' power cat |
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R.W. Behan wrote:
Suggestion: stick with your Nobeltec and DUMP THE ##@&%%*)^ VISTA. I recently bought a new Dell desktop--with Vista aboard--and spent 2 days trying to get my old files transferred and everything working. Impossible. I returned the computer to Dell, admitting the problem was the OS, not the machine. But they sold me a product I could NOT use, and I said I expected a full refund. Dell, bless their weird bones, complied. We're running Maptech gear on our boat, with Windows XP. When its time to replace the onboard laptop, I'll go with a Mac if I have to in order to avoid Vista. I lay this wholly at Microsoft's feet. XP has been working fine. It is fairly stable, hence reliable. But Microsoft had to pump its profits by force feeding a new OS on the world at large. Anyone care to join my one-man boycott? Dick B. LNVT "Annie" wrote in message ... Or maybe they dumped me? Has anyone else been faced with the problem that Nobeltec VNS is unusable and downright destructive on a Vista system-and that Microsoft has forced their vendors to only offer Vista now on new computers. Nobeltec appears to be unique in the charting software world by simply refusing to deal with it. Since it finally bit me, I sent them the email below, although I don't really expect anything from them. I use charting software for planning and replanning trips, and had continued to use VNS for many years because it has most features and I was comfortable with its foibles. Now forced to go to Plan B. Just a warning to others using VNS. Why I am dumping Nobeltec "I am a long time user of Nobeltec VNS since the original Navtrek days. We are currently in Mexico, preparing to go back to California. Have been using VNS 8 under Windows XP, with only some minor glitches (like unable to download routes and waypoints from a Raymarine). Had a computer die, only replacements available run Vista OS. Nobeltec does not run at all under Vista-most of your competitors do. Tried installing, got error messages. When I removed it completely, it took a lot of other (non-Nobeltec) programs with it, so I had t spend time reconstructing stuff. Ordered a copy of Maptech Chart Navigator Pro (Vista compatible), which someone will carry from the states to me. In the interim, using a free program called SeaClear, which works fine under Vista, processes AIS, but lacks the planning tools of the majors. Things like OziExplorer, Fugawi, etc. Also run fine under Vista. Nobeltec abandoned us in Mexico, so time to find someone else. If you still have your support files, you will find this is not the first major support issue I have had with Nobeltec. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, ... " have done already and as i am a small computor tec/reseller and my wife has a large clientele base as a accountant we will only purchase xp based machines. but what i would like to know is can we demand a refund on the vista software if we convert to XP.....food for thought shaun |
Why I am dumping Nobeltec
shaun wrote:
have done already and as i am a small computor tec/reseller and my wife has a large clientele base as a accountant we will only purchase xp based machines. but what i would like to know is can we demand a refund on the vista software if we convert to XP.....food for thought shaun Just buy from manufacturer's _BUSINESS_ sites instead of _CONSUMER_. I just checked and HP still offers Microsoft Windows XP instead of Vista. -- Kees |
Why I am dumping Nobeltec
"Kees Verruijt" wrote in message ... Just buy from manufacturer's _BUSINESS_ sites instead of _CONSUMER_. I just checked and HP still offers Microsoft Windows XP instead of Vista. -- Kees Exactly how does one "consume" software, anyway? :-) |
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* KLC Lewis wrote, On 4/11/2007 12:17 PM:
"Kees Verruijt" wrote in message ... Just buy from manufacturer's _BUSINESS_ sites instead of _CONSUMER_. I just checked and HP still offers Microsoft Windows XP instead of Vista. -- Kees Exactly how does one "consume" software, anyway? :-) One byte at a time. |
Why I am dumping Nobeltec
Jeff wrote:
* KLC Lewis wrote, On 4/11/2007 12:17 PM: Just buy from manufacturer's _BUSINESS_ sites instead of _CONSUMER_. Exactly how does one "consume" software, anyway? :-) One byte at a time. Guess this is why floppies were so popular for such a long time, they digest a lot easier compared to CD's. My personal favourite nowadays: USB keys, with a little salt and pepper... Great for the onboard kitchen, load them with recipes at home then eat at sea! |
Why I am dumping Nobeltec
"Kees Verruijt" wrote in message ... Jeff wrote: * KLC Lewis wrote, On 4/11/2007 12:17 PM: Just buy from manufacturer's _BUSINESS_ sites instead of _CONSUMER_. Exactly how does one "consume" software, anyway? :-) One byte at a time. Guess this is why floppies were so popular for such a long time, they digest a lot easier compared to CD's. My personal favourite nowadays: USB keys, with a little salt and pepper... Great for the onboard kitchen, load them with recipes at home then eat at sea! That sounds tasty. Maybe with a little Mouse filet? |
Why I am dumping Nobeltec
On Register today:
SlinkySausage writes "Computer makers have been told they'll no longer be able to get Windows XP OEM by the end of this year, despite strong ongoing demand for the OS. Analysts and computer makers are wondering if the move is premature given Vista's ongoing performance and compatibility issues. Dell recently said it would reintroduce XP on a range of machines due to customer demand but Microsoft will only allow this until the end of the year." On Apr 11, 10:38 am, Kees Verruijt wrote: shaun wrote: have done already and as i am a small computor tec/reseller and my wife has a large clientele base as a accountant we will only purchase xp based machines. but what i would like to know is can we demand a refund on the vista software if we convert to XP.....food for thought shaun Just buy from manufacturer's _BUSINESS_ sites instead of _CONSUMER_. I just checked and HP still offers Microsoft Windows XP instead of Vista. -- Kees |
Why I am dumping Nobeltec
While we're on computers, does anyone have a source for a good USB DVD
player? Since Nobeltec has gone to DVD's only for the charts, I need to add one. |
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