wrote:
sorry guys It will not happen again...
I'm new to all this so cut me a little slack
have a good day everyone.......


If you *really* have reformed your ways, it would be worth your while to
get a new domain name and email address. Its too late for the old ones,
*someone* will have them in a public blacklist somewhere so they are
forever tainted . . .

You could redirect your old ones to the new ones so you dont have to
immediately reprint all your paper advertising.

NEVER post an advertisment or commercial announcement to a USENET group
without checking that its *explicitly* permitted under that groups
charter (google 'groupname charter') and its also advisable to check
if there is a group FAQ as well.

USENET is *NOT* GOOGLE GROUPS, USENET is a world wide distributed
bulletin board system that grew out of the UNIX programming community in
the early '80s. Google is just a gateway and an archive. There *ARE*
google's own groups, but they dont propagate outside google. Clueeless
Google posters have replaced clueless AOLers as the main source of
unwanted gabble on USENET. If you post via google, you will need to
maintain a higher standard of nettiquette than average to be taken
seriously.

Its a *LOT* of work to achive any recognition on USENET that actually
translates into real customers, as it will take a lot of providing
helpful answers to peoples questions before people trust your advice and
start contacting you directly. I *hope* you have an interest in boats
other than just selling them, as if so, skim the last few months of
rec.boats, rec.boats.cruising and rec.boats.electronics, then lurk until
someone posts a question you can answer well, If the answer is 'I can
supply that locally, email me' so be it but dont offer anything for sale
unasked. Mostly you need to just be giving good advice. (Dont try to
get 'cute', there are many former boaters who have given up for health
reasons, who have *nothing* better to do than check posting histories
and locations etc. to see if a question was asked purely to give a
spammer an excuse to reply with a blatently commercial post. Also you
*dont* want to have this grief twice.)

Finally, protect your email address against spammers (hint, they
download headers not whole messages so put your real email in the
signature not the from field and if you fake an address for from, make
sure its either .invalid TLD or @example.com so noone else gets spam
targeted for you dumped on them) and pick a posting name that if its not
your real name, at least is a human name you are happy to anwer to if
someone contacts you. . .

This is all the slack you are likely to get around here and more than
many would cut you. If in doubt ask first, forgiveness afterwards is
rarely granted. Good Luck.


--
Ian Malcolm. London, ENGLAND. (NEWSGROUP REPLY PREFERRED)
ianm[at]the[dash]malcolms[dot]freeserve[dot]co[dot]uk
[at]=@, [dash]=- & [dot]=. *Warning* HTML & 32K emails -- NUL:
'Stingo' Albacore #1554 - 15' Early 60's, Uffa Fox designed,
All varnished hot moulded wooden racing dinghy.

Hello,
My name is Don and I'am the owner of Hy-Seas Inflatable boats.
We manufacture Neoprene Hypalon boat tubes for all makes and sizes of
inflatable boats.
We also have an online website full of pictures and related
information.
If I can help with any Inflatable boat related questions please feel
free to ask and I will do what I can to help.

Take Care
DonR

Thanks for the well learned lesson
Would this been a better way to post with out spamming????
Thanks for the reply

wrote:

Hello,
My name is Don and I'am the owner of Hy-Seas Inflatable boats.
We manufacture Neoprene Hypalon boat tubes for all makes and sizes of
inflatable boats.
We also have an online website full of pictures and related
information.
If I can help with any Inflatable boat related questions please feel
free to ask and I will do what I can to help.

Take Care
DonR

Thanks for the well learned lesson
Would this been a better way to post with out spamming????
Thanks for the reply

wrote:

Hello,
My name is Don and I'am the owner of Hy-Seas Inflatable boats.
We manufacture Neoprene Hypalon boat tubes for all makes and sizes of
inflatable boats.
We also have an online website full of pictures and related
information.
If I can help with any Inflatable boat related questions please feel
free to ask and I will do what I can to help.

Take Care
DonR

Thanks for the well learned lesson
Would this been a better way to post with out spamming????
Thanks for the reply


Yeah, IF it had been on topic for *this* group (hint: it isn't) and if
the charter for the group you post in permits commercial announcements.
Otherwise although you can introduce yourself in *any* group if you
dont give product, price or contact details, you would do well *not* to
mention your website until you can answer a *specific* question by
directing the person asking it to a *specific* page of your site.

If you are experienced with boat electronics and electrical systems,
stick around otherwise find an appropriate group, read their charter
then decide if it allows you to publicize your business (more often
than once a month is counterproductive unless you have genuine new
products. Thats new on the market, not just new to you) or whether
you'll have to settle in for the long haul being Mr Nice & Helpfull,
being very discrete about giving your company a mention.

There is one further trap, Many of us *dont* like being emailed 'offers'
unless we specifically ask to take it to email. The etiquette of
newsgroups is that replys to on topic stuff stay in the group so all can
read and contribute, and off topic and private matters are taken to
email by mutual agreement. Anyone who posts a question and asks for
email replies only is disrespecting the group (They *may* ask for email
as well if they have a good reason like they're off cruising, or may
offer to follwup with a summary of the replies e.g. if they are polling
for the popularity of some device but thats getting complicated).
Basically dont email USENET posters for *anything* commercial unless
they ask you to.

We do appreciate that you are taking the time to learn, have used your
real name and haven't provided any more links to your site in the wrong
newsgroup. Thank you Don for respecting this group.

If you are going to continue to use USENET even as a private individual
and you want to make friends, not enemies, you need to find out about
quoting, and set yourself up with a proper signature file (both are
awkward to do through Google, but it is possible)

--
Ian Malcolm. London, ENGLAND. (NEWSGROUP REPLY PREFERRED)
ianm[at]the[dash]malcolms[dot]freeserve[dot]co[dot]uk
[at]=@, [dash]=- & [dot]=. *Warning* HTML & 32K emails -- NUL:
'Stingo' Albacore #1554 - 15' Early 60's, Uffa Fox designed,
All varnished hot moulded wooden racing dinghy.

wrote in news:1170966761.489352.263820
@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

Would this been a better way to post with out spamming????


Nope...it's still spamming. Just rewording an ad doesn't change it....

The acceptable post would be in reply to some guy with a blowup dink
who's not quite sure how to patch it so it will be safe. You introduce
yourself with your credentials, ONCE, or better yet a simple tagline
under your name at the end of the post so everyone can see who you are.
Then, you help him patch his boat, at no cost to either, with helpful
instructions, even if it's not your boat or your responsibility, coming
off as a real helpful guy to have on his side. Everyone soon notices how
wonderful that guy who owns hy-seas is on the newsgroup and makes a
mental note, probably subliminal, stored away for that day when they've
had enough pumping up that leaky old Avon for the last time. "Hey, I
remember the guy who owned Hy-Seas was real helpful to the folks on
rec.boats.cruising. Let's buy his boat this time. I never saw anyone
from Avon logon like he did to help other boaters." He already has a
personal relationship with Don, the owner because he talked to him on
Usenet. If you owned a Ford, but talked to the guy who owned Honda on
Usenet, would you be buying another Ford? Everyone on here will also
tell their boater friends what a great guy you are for helping fix stuff.
As you can see, this is just an inverse pyramid scheme. You make a
friend with these guys, they tell those guys who tell other guys. It
works, really!

Heads and head equipment - Peggie Hall
NMEA multiplexers and equipment - Meindert from Shipmodul
the list goes on....Wanna join us?

Make a signature file for your newsgroup client that puts:

--
Don
Owner - Hy-Seas Inflatable Boats
(put your webpage here but not your phone number or email addy)

Spambots harvest phone numbers and email addresses from all newsgroups
24/7. Your email doesn't need any more Viagra spam, right? The double
dash over Don is a usenet custom to designate this as a repetitive
signature on all your posts.

That little signature after your name is all the advertising on usenet
you need to do and most won't object at all, especially if you don't act
like a car salesman on commission. Notice how EVERY time you post a
helpful post or even just join in our conversations about boating, you've
just put your company name in front of the users to love....(c; Because
of your sig, you'll be the target of inflatable boat problems from people
in need. That's the point, right?

If I owned your company, I'd also find the time to join cruiser forums on
webpage-based systems, too. Same thing...help out, join in, signature
line to tell them who you are and the webpage addy so they can find you
if they want. Lots of cruisers have no idea or access to usenet
newsgroups. They aren't so internet savvy and only use webpages.

I also owe you a word of warning in all this. If your company ****es off
just ONE boater who has access to forums or this usenet newsgroup, it's
awful hard to get their trust back. IN spite of the acid posts you got
in this thread, you have admitted you are new to Usenet and the group, so
I think we could be very forgiving in the very short term. Longterm will
be up to you.

Some day you'll get a request for service on your own boats from this
newsgroup. Someone will have something wrong. Take my advise.....don't
take it to email or phone, unless you're gonna screw him, which he will
tell us about later, anyway. Help him right in front of the whole world,
right on the newsgroup. Leave it public so everyone of these cruisers
can see what great customer service can be had from Hy-Seas. Talk to him
here. I dare you. Don't be surprised if you get a few negative posts
during the conversation. Concentrate your efforts on your customer with
an eye towards customer satisfaction. That ONE thread, properly handled
and solving his problem, can easily be more important to your company
than all the magazine ads you bought last year, which everyone knows is a
lie......and it costs you NOTHING but a little risk. Just sit patiently
by and wait for your chance to show your company off to them. THEY have
to do it, not you. Don't, as some have done on many groups, try to plant
someone. That might really trash your company. HONESTY, that's all they
want....

Dare ya.....(c;

Larry
--
Democracy is when two wolves and a sheep vote on who's for dinner.
Liberty is when the sheep has his own gun.

Larry,
Thank you for help, I did change my profile.
How do you delete the e-mail addy????
Also how does my profile look now.
Thanks

wrote in news:1170981509.108488.38030
@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:


Larry,
Thank you for help, I did change my profile.
How do you delete the e-mail addy????
Also how does my profile look now.
Thanks




Just change your email to something bogus. Use mine if you like:


You are changing your "profile" we don't see here. You need to add a
"signature", which is usually a little text file the client adds to the end
of your postings.

See mine below here-------a Vista alert...(c;
Larry
--
VIRUS ALERT! VISTA has been released!
NOONE will be spared!

Larry,
I tried to put in a bogas e-mail address but it want to send me a
verification code to link back to!!!!!!
How do I get around that.
Also I think I added a signature.....

Thanks for all your good help

On 8 Feb, 17:11, wrote:
Larry,
I tried to put in a bogas e-mail address but it want to send me a
verification code to link back to!!!!!!
How do I get around that.
Also I think I added a signature.....

Thanks for all your good help

Hey I think I got it this time