Somehow this discussion has drifted, and I´m not sure how your wife got into
it.
Why is it fair that you legally can take a copy off a CDmap but not off a
card.

As you write the copy will only work on a specific designated machine(GPS).

I might be dumb, but even I can understand if someone ask me if I want this
or that product, explaining the difference between the two.
My complaint stems from not having been able to deduct a difference in the
mapprogram by way of the media the maps were on, by myself from the web or
GUESS it, when I bought the GPSMAP at a marineEXPO, since neither you or
the salesperson there told me, then.
Please re-read the post again with a friendlier eye.

Not out to scorn Garmin, I think they have a fine product, but I just dont
get it do I.
Will taking a copy froma CD be managable for Garmin and not harm them, but
doing a copy from a card be uncontrolable and swamp us with lawbreakers?
Still do´nt get it.

Hans

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"fen" wrote in message
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My purpose is to get a legal copy of my PreProgrammed DataCard to use in
my outside steering station GPS, while the original PreProgrammed
DataCard remains in the pilothouse station GPS.

Now, had I bought the mapsoftware on CD, I would have been able to do a
transfer to a blank card AND a legal copy to a second blank card (at
least that what I believe is correct)

That is correct. In fact you could load the info on hundreds of cards
if you wanted to but of course it would only work on two GPS's.

Of course, when I shift steering station I could unplug the card and
insert it into the other GPS.

I just would like Garmin to change policy and allow a copy from a
PreProgrammed DataCard, as they presently do from a CD.

Yes that would be great and then you would have folks copying them and
selling them by the hundreds.

As I write; this restriction is solely on the PreProgrammed DataCards, it
is not obvious to a buyer at the time he/she orders.

I'm not sure how it could be more obvious. Sometimes I think my wife
thinks that I should be in two places at one time but so far she hasn't
let me know how to do that and I haven't been able to figure it out either
We always ask our customers if they are sure they want a pre-programmed
card instead of the software if they indicate that they may want more than
one region or use it on more than one GPS.
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"fen" wrote in message
k...
Somehow this discussion has drifted, and I´m not sure how your wife got
into it.

It was a simple comparison. Another one......I can't use the engine in
my car in two different cars at one time just the same as it's not
physically possible to use the same memory card in two different GPS's at
the same time.

Why is it fair that you legally can take a copy off a CDmap but not off a
card.

That's just the way it is whether you consider it fair or not. I have
always told my kids.......life isn't fair.

Will taking a copy froma CD be managable for Garmin and not harm them, but
doing a copy from a card be uncontrolable and swamp us with lawbreakers?

Absolutely.

Still do´nt get it.

I guess we both don't get it yet. I don't understand how it's possible
to use a memory card in two different GPS's at the same time and you don't
get why it's not possible. What possibly gave you the idea that you could
copy the info. off of the pre-programmed card onto another one? As I stated
before you can't copy the card because there would be no way to control
theft of the info. The CD version uses unlock codes to control the theft of
the info. My best suggestion is to sell the pre-programmed memory card and
buy the correct product for what you want to do.

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Darrel Goheen

http://www.tvnav.com

Darrel, thank you for your advice, about selling and re-buying.

You, beeing a Garmin seller, surely knows about consumer needs, and how
important it is to have them satisfied in the long run.
And that is the reason I hope to convince Garmin that they could improve on
their costomer service profile in this aspect.

The way to do this in this case, vould be to let a costomer send in his
pre-programmed card to Garmin´s designated distributor and let this
distributor do a single copy on a card.
The blank card, the postage and a fee for programing the card of course
beeing paid for by the costomer.

Assuming there is a recgonized need AND will, for such a program, some
distributor´s may make a buck or two- and the costomer is happy!. A true
win-win setup.

Now a sceptic could say:" this has never been done" OR he might even say:"
It´s not fair". But those are really only arguments for the lazy.
What happened to TRYING?.

If this proposed solution to the problem of copyprotecting is NOT feasibly
technical possible, I shall bow down and forever keep silent and spend my
dollars as I´m supposed to do. Until a wiser points the way.
Regards

Hans
A semi-happy Garmin costomer


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"fen" wrote in message
k...
Somehow this discussion has drifted, and I´m not sure how your wife got
into it.

It was a simple comparison. Another one......I can't use the engine in
my car in two different cars at one time just the same as it's not
physically possible to use the same memory card in two different GPS's at
the same time.

Why is it fair that you legally can take a copy off a CDmap but not off a
card.

That's just the way it is whether you consider it fair or not. I have
always told my kids.......life isn't fair.

Will taking a copy froma CD be managable for Garmin and not harm them,
but doing a copy from a card be uncontrolable and swamp us with
lawbreakers?

Absolutely.

Still do´nt get it.

I guess we both don't get it yet. I don't understand how it's possible
to use a memory card in two different GPS's at the same time and you don't
get why it's not possible. What possibly gave you the idea that you could
copy the info. off of the pre-programmed card onto another one? As I
stated before you can't copy the card because there would be no way to
control theft of the info. The CD version uses unlock codes to control the
theft of the info. My best suggestion is to sell the pre-programmed memory
card and buy the correct product for what you want to do.

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Darrel Goheen

http://www.tvnav.com

"fen" wrote in message
k...
Darrel, thank you for your advice, about selling and re-buying.

You, beeing a Garmin seller, surely knows about consumer needs, and how
important it is to have them satisfied in the long run.

You are correct, that is our job as a Garmin dealer. Too bad that your
dealer didn't do their job or too bad that you didn't ask before buying the
wrong product for your needs/wants.

The way to do this in this case, vould be to let a costomer send in his
pre-programmed card to Garmin´s designated distributor and let this
distributor do a single copy on a card.
The blank card, the postage and a fee for programing the card of course
beeing paid for by the costomer.

I'm pretty sure that Garmin's agreement with the BlueChart folks
wouldn't allow for this but you are right, it would be worth asking or
suggesting to **Garmin** about it but it probably won't do any good to bitch
about Garmin in the newsgroups about it.
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Darrel Goheen

http://www.tvnav.com

I meant to make a suggestion, not really bitch - and also find out if I was
the only one so dumb not to ASK the seller about a thing I did not know at
the time, when I became so unlucky to buy the map from a dealer that did
not tell.

I think my GPSMAP188C and my GPSMAP188 and the map I have, is just great and
would certainly buy the stuff again, this time though a bit more informed.
It´s all about information is´nt it.

At my place CPH the card is ~480$ and the CD ~640$(including a card and USB
reader) I would pay the 160$ and some for the card. Maybee Garmin could lock
the second card to a specific GPSMAP serialnumber and then I should pay a
fee, say 20$, so in all about 200$ for the transaction, still saving me
280$.

Anyway it ´s my own dumb fault resulting in a not so dumb suggestion(I
think).
If I´m the only guy caught, its not even worth it.
Just info and an idea - no bitching.
Thanks for the feedback

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"fen" wrote in message
k...
Darrel, thank you for your advice, about selling and re-buying.

You, beeing a Garmin seller, surely knows about consumer needs, and how
important it is to have them satisfied in the long run.

You are correct, that is our job as a Garmin dealer. Too bad that your
dealer didn't do their job or too bad that you didn't ask before buying
the wrong product for your needs/wants.

The way to do this in this case, vould be to let a costomer send in his
pre-programmed card to Garmin´s designated distributor and let this
distributor do a single copy on a card.
The blank card, the postage and a fee for programing the card of course
beeing paid for by the costomer.

I'm pretty sure that Garmin's agreement with the BlueChart folks
wouldn't allow for this but you are right, it would be worth asking or
suggesting to **Garmin** about it but it probably won't do any good to
bitch about Garmin in the newsgroups about it.
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Darrel Goheen

http://www.tvnav.com