"Me" wrote in message ...
In article ,
Capt. Neal® wrote:

Are you trying to claim that a battery in certain state of discharge cannot
be charged by a battery that is fully charged if the batteries are connected
in a circuit?

CN

If they are "Series Connected", that is exactly what I am saying, and
claiming, and all your Dufus Theories, will not change the Physical
Laws involved.

Me who wonders if you are going to answer "Bruce in alaska"'s
question......

I think I just answered that one of will soon if I missed it.

Do something for me. Take a flashlight that uses two AA batteries in series and put
a discharged ni-cad AA cell and a fully charged ni-cad into it. Turn on the switch and
let it run for about ten minutes. Remove the batteries and check them with a volt
meter. You will find the dead cell is no longer dead. Some of the electrons flowing
through it in the circuit driven by the good battery will have driven the chemical
reaction in the direction that stores electrons.

The very same thing will happen with two 12v batteries in series in a circuit.

CN

Capt. Neal® wrote:


"Me" wrote in message
...

In article ,
Capt. Neal® wrote:

Are you trying to claim that a battery in certain state of discharge
cannot
be charged by a battery that is fully charged if the batteries are
connected
in a circuit?

CN


If they are "Series Connected", that is exactly what I am saying, and
claiming, and all your Dufus Theories, will not change the Physical
Laws involved.

Me who wonders if you are going to answer "Bruce in alaska"'s
question......


I think I just answered that one of will soon if I missed it.

Do something for me. Take a flashlight that uses two AA batteries in
series and put
a discharged ni-cad AA cell and a fully charged ni-cad into it. Turn on
the switch and
let it run for about ten minutes. Remove the batteries and check them
with a volt
meter. You will find the dead cell is no longer dead. Some of the
electrons flowing
through it in the circuit driven by the good battery will have driven
the chemical
reaction in the direction that stores electrons.

The very same thing will happen with two 12v batteries in series in a
circuit.

CN

But electrons don't flow through a battery! Your words.
krj

"krj" wrote in message ...
Capt. Neal® wrote:


"Me" wrote in message ...

In article ,
Capt. Neal® wrote:

Are you trying to claim that a battery in certain state of discharge cannot
be charged by a battery that is fully charged if the batteries are connected
in a circuit?

CN


If they are "Series Connected", that is exactly what I am saying, and
claiming, and all your Dufus Theories, will not change the Physical
Laws involved.

Me who wonders if you are going to answer "Bruce in alaska"'s
question......


I think I just answered that one of will soon if I missed it.

Do something for me. Take a flashlight that uses two AA batteries in series and put
a discharged ni-cad AA cell and a fully charged ni-cad into it. Turn on the switch and
let it run for about ten minutes. Remove the batteries and check them with a volt
meter. You will find the dead cell is no longer dead. Some of the electrons flowing
through it in the circuit driven by the good battery will have driven the chemical
reaction in the direction that stores electrons.

The very same thing will happen with two 12v batteries in series in a circuit.

CN

But electrons don't flow through a battery! Your words.

Thanks for pointing out that inconsistency. My bad.

Semantics again, but you are correct. I should have said some of the electrons
flowing through the circuit (external) will drive the chemical reaction in the
discharged battery so it's state of charge will be increased.

Even though the positive and negative poles are on opposite ends of an AA
cell, electricity does not really flow through from end to end as there is
no internal circuit as such - just chemical reactions as in a lead/acid battery.

But let's not miss the point by pointing out semantics discrepancies. The fact
is the discharged cell will take on some charge from the circuit. The same
goes for two 12v lead/acid batteries in a circuit.

CN

In article ,
Capt. Neal® wrote:


Thanks for pointing out that inconsistency. My bad.

Semantics again, but you are correct. I should have said some of the
electrons
flowing through the circuit (external) will drive the chemical reaction in
the
discharged battery so it's state of charge will be increased.

Even though the positive and negative poles are on opposite ends of an AA
cell, electricity does not really flow through from end to end as there is
no internal circuit as such - just chemical reactions as in a lead/acid
battery.

But let's not miss the point by pointing out semantics discrepancies. The
fact
is the discharged cell will take on some charge from the circuit. The same
goes for two 12v lead/acid batteries in a circuit.

CN


Oh, Oh, what's this, another BACKTRACK..... Hmmmm, maybe the
Internal Resistance, is falling....... NOT.......


Me

Capt. Neal® wrote:

Do something for me. Take a flashlight that uses two AA batteries in
series and put
a discharged ni-cad AA cell and a fully charged ni-cad into it. Turn on
the switch and
let it run for about ten minutes. Remove the batteries and check them
with a volt
meter. You will find the dead cell is no longer dead. Some of the

*******eletrons flowing through it******** in the circuit driven by the
good battery will have driven

From the mouths of babes...or, in this case, cretins. Thus does the
good Cap'n put paid to his own ludicrous 'theory'. Methinks the boy may
have seen the light :-) Oops, sorry, had an attack of blind screamin'
optimism there for a moment.

Keith

"Keith Hughes" wrote in message ...


Capt. Neal® wrote:

Do something for me. Take a flashlight that uses two AA batteries in series and put
a discharged ni-cad AA cell and a fully charged ni-cad into it. Turn on the switch and
let it run for about ten minutes. Remove the batteries and check them with a volt
meter. You will find the dead cell is no longer dead. Some of the

*******eletrons flowing through it******** in the circuit driven by the
good battery will have driven

From the mouths of babes...or, in this case, cretins. Thus does the good Cap'n put paid to his own ludicrous 'theory'. Methinks
the boy may have seen the light :-) Oops, sorry, had an attack of blind screamin' optimism there for a moment.

Keith

Semantics and an honest mistake explained in the post above. Here is a cut
and paste for your edification.

***************

Thanks for pointing out that inconsistency. My bad.

Semantics again, but you are correct. I should have said some of the electrons
flowing through the circuit (external) will drive the chemical reaction in the
discharged battery so it's state of charge will be increased.

Even though the positive and negative poles are on opposite ends of an AA
cell, electricity does not really flow through from end to end as there is
no internal circuit as such - just chemical reactions as in a lead/acid battery.

But let's not miss the point by pointing out semantics discrepancies. The fact
is the discharged cell will take on some charge from the circuit. The same
goes for two 12v lead/acid batteries in a circuit.

CN

Capt. Neal® wrote:

Semantics

....is the only basis of your argument. Thus it's hardly appropriate to
use it as a excuse also.

and an honest mistake

No mistake, in that instance you were correct.

explained in the post above. Here is a cut
and paste for your edification.

None needed, but thanks.

Thanks for pointing out that inconsistency. My bad.

Semantics again, but you are correct. I should have said some of the
electrons
flowing through the circuit (external) will drive the chemical reaction
in the
discharged battery so it's state of charge will be increased.

Even though the positive and negative poles are on opposite ends of an AA
cell, electricity does not really flow through from end to end as there is
no internal circuit as such - just chemical reactions as in a lead/acid
battery.

Look at any electronics reference, closely, and maybe you'll see your
mistake. Quite simply, there is electron transport (i.e. electric
current by classical definition - not to be confused with the
Tricoboxylic Citric Acid Cycle, or Krebs cycle, or oxidative
phosphorylation for e.g.) external to the battery, under load, and there
is a concomitant *ION* transport occurring internal to the battery.
Both currents reverse going from discharge to charge. Now, pay
attention: how do you make an ion? Answer, remove or add electrons. Thus
Ion flow is nothing more than electron transport (i.e. current flow)
using an electrolytic intermediary. That's what redox systems are all about.

So...there is a current flow (via ionic intermediaries) within the
battery. Semantical pretenses aside, electrons are moving both inside
and outside. Get it??? No, I didn't think so.

Keith

In article ,
Capt. Neal® wrote:

Semantics and an honest mistake explained in the post above. Here is a cut
and paste for your edification.

***************

Thanks for pointing out that inconsistency. My bad.

Semantics again, but you are correct. I should have said some of the
electrons
flowing through the circuit (external) will drive the chemical reaction in
the
discharged battery so it's state of charge will be increased.

Even though the positive and negative poles are on opposite ends of an AA
cell, electricity does not really flow through from end to end as there is
no internal circuit as such - just chemical reactions as in a lead/acid
battery.

But let's not miss the point by pointing out semantics discrepancies. The
fact
is the discharged cell will take on some charge from the circuit. The same
goes for two 12v lead/acid batteries in a circuit.

CN


Now there is a BACKTRACK, if i have ever seen one......


Me

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:07:39 -0400, Capt. Neal®
wrote:


"Me" wrote in message ...
In article ,
Capt. Neal® wrote:

Are you trying to claim that a battery in certain state of discharge cannot
be charged by a battery that is fully charged if the batteries are connected
in a circuit?

CN

If they are "Series Connected", that is exactly what I am saying, and
claiming, and all your Dufus Theories, will not change the Physical
Laws involved.

Me who wonders if you are going to answer "Bruce in alaska"'s
question......

I think I just answered that one of will soon if I missed it.

Do something for me. Take a flashlight that uses two AA batteries in series and put
a discharged ni-cad AA cell and a fully charged ni-cad into it. Turn on the switch and
let it run for about ten minutes. Remove the batteries and check them with a volt
meter. You will find the dead cell is no longer dead. Some of the electrons flowing
through it in the circuit driven by the good battery will have driven the chemical
reaction in the direction that stores electrons.

The very same thing will happen with two 12v batteries in series in a circuit.

CN

Oh yea, it will charge the dead battery all right. Only problem is it
will charge it the wrong way! You will be reverse charging the dead
cell because the charging cell is hooked up backwards to it!

The good cell's positive terminal is hooked to the dead cells negative
terminal through the light bulb. And the good cell's negative terminal
is hooked to the dead cell's positive terminal.

That sure looks like reverse charge time to me. What do you think?

Regards
Gary