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"Jack Painter" wrote in message news:jxhMd.80413$Tf5.67754@lakeread03... "Larry W4CSC" wrote So, tell us how DO you know what area you can hear on your HF net? Noone transmits for fear of raising your ire. Can you hear Florida today? Galveston? 100 miles out? 200? 500? What magic on that dead HF frequency tells you the sun has exploded, again, and communications is useless? Surely you're not depending on WWV's propagation forecast, are you? If we observe the two quiet periods for emergency traffic calls, wouldn't it be better for everyone involved if you knew what boats/ships are also your ears and eyes on the frequency, expanding your pitiful little receiving antenna cross section by several thousand miles? "CG Net this is WDB-6254, "Lionheart" at 32 24N, 75 12W checkin, no traffic monitoring 802 for next 2 hours." Aha! I can hear a 150W insulated backstay offshore of Charleston on Channel 802 at this time. HE, on the other hand, will HELP me monitor the frequency, relaying to areas I cannot hear because of propagation, any calls that get no answers from me. What harm have I done to Coast Guard Communications? They USED to do it on CW, you know! It's how I learned the code when I was 10 in 1956.....(c; This is precisely why hams "waste bandwidth", as you say.....see? When I operate from my station, I use every resource available to me, and it is everything you would expect a radio operator to do. When operating from the net control of a vast resource of hundreds of antennas and transmitters and receivers across thousands of miles, supplemented with satellites, there is no such concern about "will I be able to hear San Juan"? I only have three antennas and I can get the job done pretty well too from Newfoundland to South America, day or night. I carefully chose the antennas to do the job, and 99% of the time I can do it on 125 watts. You're confusing radio hobbyists who like to chat with each other and feel accomplishment in their hobby and equipment by reinforcing that they can talk to the same stations in the same places over, and over and over, with the reason that ships are at sea, which is not a hobby. Professional mariners, which make up the overwhelming majority of all high seas travelers, have no such time or reason to chat on amateur nets or on official frequencies reserved for hailing and distress. The real blue water sailors of a hobbyist ilk, have options in a communication suite that leaves about zero chance that an emergency call would not be heard and relayed to appropriate authorities. Amateur maritime mobile service nets make up one small and nonetheless important part of that but only where pleasure craft or third-world fishing vessels are concerned. The USCG just finished supervising the rescue of four people far from Bermuda who set of an EPIRB. Until the good Samaritan vessel directed to the scene by the Coast Guard arrived tonight, the USCG C-130 had already found them, and supplied comfort, communications, food, water and blankets, along with the assuredness that surface rescue was on the way. One EPIRB did that for them. Where communications came into play was with the USCG's ability to contact all area vessels and vector the appropriate ones to the scene. I had no problem hearing every word that was passed to and from the C-130 and if a major solar flare had happened, they could have changed altitude, changed frequencies, and as a last resort, used other more expensive forms of communication. What you allude to is totally unnecessary and serves only the brotherhood of clubs who need social interaction to remain a coherent organization. That's not contested or misunderstood by me, but I think you believe they do this for reasons which modern communicators would find frivolous. Or fun. Take your pick. Jack Painter Virginia Beach, Virginia I would like to throw out a challenge to all the real ham operators, CG and CG Auxiliary personnel finger pointing at each other here. Hams, join the Auxiliary, take their AuxCom course, have your security background checked and licenses verified, then complete the CG Radio Watchstander qualification at the local CG unit and contribute your communications skills and background to assisting the Coast Guard. There are CG Auxiliary nets on VHF-FM also. Also, write your Congress members, asking they make funding and implementation of Rescue 21 and GMDSS a priority for the Coast Guard. The problem is congressional guys, not some dunderhead in uniform dragging his feet on upgrading the system. Similarly, I challenge the CG and CG Auxiliary non-ham members here to get a real ham license, General Class or higher, then take some ARES ENCOMM course and become an active participant in a traffic net or emergency net. Your might even enjoy chatting on CG ham nets or Auxiliary ham nets (yes, they exist!). They are fraternal in nature. Aren't we all trying to provide communications channels for boaters at sea? If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem! I have been a ham for only 48 years, and have only 9 years (broken service in the Auxiliary) as a communicator, aircraft owner and pilot flying sundown and SAR missions, flotilla commander, etc. I also have 20 years active in the US Navy communications field. CG, CG Auxiliary, Navy, NavyMarineCorpsCoastGuard MARS, and ham radio should compliment each other and not be competitive. Each has its strengths and weaknesses. Regarding CG HF equipment, in 84-86, when I was stationed on Adak Island, AK in the Aleutians, us Navy guys were very envious of the modern, remotely tuned HF Collins equipment that CG Kodiak controlled there. It was a far cry from the R-390A's, etc we had for HF reception. I can not speak for the CG, but the Navy has since roughly 1980 used a commercially available unit called a "chip sounder" which sends a pulse burst straight up from a shore based antenna, takes measurements on the return echo such as signal + noise/noise and time delay, then the frequency is stepped up and another pulse stream sent out, measurements made, etc. This results in a spectrum plot of that stations propagation, ionosphere layer height, maximum useable frequency, etc, from which optimum useable frequency for long haul communications is calculated. It is the military way of avoiding the "no traffic checkins" to determine who can hear whom. I think the ham radio method is much cheaper, but was thankful to the taxpayers for giving us this fancy equipment to use. Back in the days of mandatory commercial Morse operators aboard commercial high seas vessels, finding a non-ham radio officer was a rarity. These guys stood their required watches professionally, and enjoyed their avocation as ham hobbyist also. Why are we arguing here? The old time real radio operators enjoyed the best of both worlds. 73 Doug, K7ABX; CG Auxiliary, Assistant District Staff Officer-Communications (South), 13th District |
Wayne.B wrote in
: On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 03:44:09 GMT, Larry W4CSC wrote: That crappy PC board connector they expect you to leave out in the weather on the AT-130 antenna tuner and the crappy CB coax pigtail SO-239 connector CAN be eliminated at the tuner..... =============================== Mine will be installed in a reasonably dry location inside the flybridge console so hopefully I'll be able to duck some of those issues. Keep in mind the antenna actually begins at the high voltage connector on the tuner and the unshielded wire to the actual antenna is also part of the transmit antenna. RF inside a console full of electronics has dire consequences as it induces big RF signals into every power cable, unshielded NMEA stupid cable and those idiotic open connections. It can scramble almost all the plastic-cased electronics, destroying them if it gets strong enough. The tuner is quite sealed, after you get rid of the cheap connectors hanging out of it. Ours is as clean as the day I installed it on top of the aft cabin house directly aft of the mizzenmast. Its connecting wire to the 55' long backstay antenna is about 8" long for this reason. It still causes the stupid, unshielded propane detector in the galley to go crazy by inducing RF into its control wires back to the electric gas valve in the stern. It beeps like crazy when transmitting on HF. Oh, please don't let anyone use coax with the shield grounded between the tuner and the antenna (whip I'd guess). Don't let them "neatly" tywrap it to anything metal, running it through a grounded stuffing tube to go outside, either. All this shunt capacitance to ground makes tuning tough on the tuner and bleeds off your transmitted signal to the rigging, instead of out on the air. I see so many tywrapped to the grounded part of rigging on its way up to some elevated insulator, "to protect the passengers". How silly, the RF is very strong in that insulated wire going up there. I've never seen anyone killed by 150W from these little transmitters. 1.5KW from a ham rig is another matter...(c; |
4 MPGB069401 BUTLER, LARRY C CM Active 03/27/2005
5 PG198444 BUTLER, LARRY D CM Active 6 PGGB02150 BUTLER, LARRY W CM Active 7 W4CSC BUTLER, LARRY E 0003505047 HV Active 02/15/2010 Jetcap wrote: Bruce in Alaska wrote: ANY US citizen can apply for and receive, a Restricted Radio Operator Permit (lifetime), that allows them to operate an Aircraft or Marine HF Transceiver installed abaord any US Flagged Vessel or Aircraft in noncommerical service, as well as commercial service on Uninspected Vessels. These are not numbered, so they don't show up in the FCC's Database of Licensed Persons. Once again the FCC seems to believe otherwise. Check out: http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsS...rchLicense.jsp and enter Butler, Larry under the selection for Restricted Radio Operators ... put in Smith and you will get a whole page of Restricted Radio Operators with license numbers. Face it, Larry is a fraud who doesn't hold any license other than his ham ticket and has repeatedly trashed many here for not having the licenses he claims to hold. He cannot sumbit a single license number to prove otherwise. He was run off once already when he got caught in his stupid tirade about GMDSS, which showed his ignorance so badly it was obvious he didn't have any GMDSS training, certifications or commercial marine qualifications whatsoever. Now the old goat rants because the CG won't let him adjust their VHF radios ... what a loon. He is a fraud. Rick |
"Doug" wrote in
k.net: Back in the days of mandatory commercial Morse operators aboard commercial high seas vessels, finding a non-ham radio officer was a rarity. These guys stood their required watches professionally, and enjoyed their avocation as ham hobbyist also. Why are we arguing here? The old time real radio operators enjoyed the best of both worlds. 73 Doug, K7ABX; CG Auxiliary, Assistant District Staff Officer-Communications (South), 13th District For me, it would be the same reason I'm no longer in NAVMARS or CAP. The politics, backstabbing and other nonsense got me out of those. "What rank are you?", some CAP wannabee colonel would ask me in my Levis and T-shirt, all setup in the pouring down rain to provide 4585 Khz and 148.15 comms in my non-CAP-funded motorhome when some plane was down. "Corporal", I'd always reply. "Who cares? We've been here for 3 hours. Why did it take you Wing guys so long to get here?" The guy could have died while waiting for them to put on their dress blues to look sharp for the TV cams. I've had CGAUX inspection stickers on every boat I've owned, even the jetskis, in the last 20 years. Noone in CG, County Gestapo, DNR Gestapo in their flak jackets and camo gunboats...none of them...ever gave a damned that I was in full compliance, not only with the minimum requirements, but with the CGAUX's extra requirements for that sticker. They still had to pull me over and upset my guests aboard to look at the damned fire extinguishers to see if they were charged...negating any reason to go through all the CGAUX inspections in the first place. I never figured out why. I've been stopped for inspection 5 times in ONE DAY by THREE different bureaucracies! I joined SkyWarn and offered to help Charleston's weather bureaucrats set up a fine VHF/HF ham radio station over at their headquarters, WX4CHS. After getting the runaround for a few months, I found they weren't really interested in having WX4CHS on the air. Some big bureaucrat was shoving it down the little bureaucrats' throats as a "requirement". So, the station has this little vertical antenna that's NOT going to survive ANY windstorm, let alone Hurricane Hugo. It makes them happy. I left my gummit ID badge on the desk on my way out. If anyone needs emergency comms on any freq between 1.8 and 30.0 Mhz, I can provide CW/AM/SSB/packet/AMTOR-SITOR/PSK16-31 and RTTY with 650 watts of HF RF power to an omnidirectional large, erectable anywhere antenna with 3KW of emergency AC power in my old Air Force stepvan any time it's needed. The system can also provide VHF to VHF to HF packet gateway service as well as dual-band APRS inband and crossband repeater service. I can provide phone patch service if there's a live phone line available. If Knology Cable is available, I can also provide gateway service to the internet. Give me a couple hours notice and point me to the spot to set up. I'll be there....just so long as I don't have to wear some silly wannabe uniform and play soldier. |
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"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in
: (She usually thanks you for saying something nice.) Bridgetenders are great people... Interesting. Out of all the many bridges on the ICW, the Wapoo Creek operators (one on the way down, another on the way up) were the only ones that we had trouble with. Doug s/v Callista What kind of "trouble"? I'd be glad to talk to them, in person, to straighten out any misunderstanding you had with them. Was the bridge stuck at the time? They usually get a little excited when it won't lock back down. In SC, we divert road and bridge funding away from where it's needed to Mt Pleasant, where the politician-lawyers' mansions are, which lets the rest of the infrastructure cave in. The old swing bridge at Main Road on John's Island, SC, has been replaced with a 55' high span, now, because the lawyer-doctors didn't like to wait on their way to the Kiawah and Seabrook Island resort homes. There's no bridge tenders there, any more. The Stono River swing bridge is also gone to a 55' span so Kiawah and Seabrook lawyers can get to court downtown, too. |
Our experiences were not all that serious, just annoying enough
that when I hear Wapoo Creek I flash back. On the way down, we timed our departure from City Marina so that we would arrive at the bridge just before opening time. We arrived 2 minutes before the hour but the operator said we were too late. We had to mill around until the next opening. On the way back up, we arrived way early with another boat. We both milled around awaiting the next opening. As the time neared the operator instructed us to approach the bridge and she would open it when we were close. As we neared the bridge a tug/barge came through the bridge. We had to scoot out of the way while being swept towards to bridge by the current. We couldn't come about so had to tread water in reverse while being squeezed between the barge and the shallows. The wake from the barge complicated matters as did the fact that she still hadn;t raised the bridge. She made us jockey around for another 5 minutes before finally opening the bridge. Doug s/v Callista "Larry W4CSC" wrote in message ... "Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in : (She usually thanks you for saying something nice.) Bridgetenders are great people... Interesting. Out of all the many bridges on the ICW, the Wapoo Creek operators (one on the way down, another on the way up) were the only ones that we had trouble with. Doug s/v Callista What kind of "trouble"? I'd be glad to talk to them, in person, to straighten out any misunderstanding you had with them. Was the bridge stuck at the time? They usually get a little excited when it won't lock back down. In SC, we divert road and bridge funding away from where it's needed to Mt Pleasant, where the politician-lawyers' mansions are, which lets the rest of the infrastructure cave in. The old swing bridge at Main Road on John's Island, SC, has been replaced with a 55' high span, now, because the lawyer-doctors didn't like to wait on their way to the Kiawah and Seabrook Island resort homes. There's no bridge tenders there, any more. The Stono River swing bridge is also gone to a 55' span so Kiawah and Seabrook lawyers can get to court downtown, too. |
krj wrote:
7 W4CSC BUTLER, LARRY E 0003505047 HV Active That's the only one he holds according to the FCC. A ham vanity call. No GROL, no GMDSS operator, no "GMDSS maintainer, nothing else. Of course if he does he is perfectly free to post the numbers here and prove that he has the paper to backup his claims. He ran away last time he got caught. And he thinks the CG ops are jerks because they wouldn't let him adjust their radios ... Rick |
Doug Dotson wrote:
Sorry Rick. You'll have to do better than that. It appears that older restricted permits are not listed. I will concede that Larry may hold an old restricted radiotelephone ticket, one of those licenses far easier to obtain than the "giveaway" GROL or GMDSS tickets he was sneering at before he got caught lying about his own license level. "Better" than what? Larry is the one trashing a lot of good people who actually hold the licenses he says are useless while he claims to hold tickets he doesn't. He is a fraud, a ham who is bent and bitter that no one will let him play radio operator outside his closet. Rick |
Larry W4CSC wrote:
If anyone needs emergency comms on any freq between 1.8 and 30.0 Mhz, I can Good thing you specified "emergency" because you aren't licensed to do squat outside the ham bands (and marine bands while onboard that plastic sailboat) you old fraud. Not to mention the idea of advertising to provide "emergency" comms seems a bit peculiar ... are your customers supposed to call you on the phone to obtain that service? Rick |
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