I have been told that the Morse Code requirement for a Ham license is
required by international treaty. Others have said the requirement
will soon go by the wayside. I find the written and theory parts of
the Ham exam easy but code is an insurmountable obsticle for me. Any
chance that code will be dropped soon as a requirement for anything
more than a Novice license.

It is true that the code requirement is part of international treaty.
There is no such thing as a Novice license anymore. That was
done when the reorganization took place a few years back.
Licenses a Technician (no code), General (5WPM code) and
Extra (5 WPM code). Most folks can get past the 5WPM code
test with some effort. Last I heard, the issues of eliminating the
code is on the agenda for the next ITU meeting, but not sure
when that is. They only meet every ten years or something like
that. SOmebody else was asking me about this recently. They
thought they had heard that the code was now eliminated. I'll
check it out.


Doug, k3qt
s/v Callista

"Stan Winikoff" wrote in message
om...
I have been told that the Morse Code requirement for a Ham license is
required by international treaty. Others have said the requirement
will soon go by the wayside. I find the written and theory parts of
the Ham exam easy but code is an insurmountable obsticle for me. Any
chance that code will be dropped soon as a requirement for anything
more than a Novice license.

"Doug Dotson" wrote in message ...
It is true that the code requirement is part of international treaty.
There is no such thing as a Novice license anymore. That was
done when the reorganization took place a few years back.
Licenses a Technician (no code), General (5WPM code) and
Extra (5 WPM code).

General and Extra only have a 5wpm code requirement now? jeez.
It used to be 13wpm and 20 wpm I think for those licenses.

Incidentally, there are still people who have the novice license,
so there still is one, but the FCC doesn't issue them anymore.
The Tech(no code) is the entry license now. But if you were
a Novice and you upgrade to the Tech, then you become a
Tech(code), which is basically Tech voice frequencies + the
novice code frequencies. right?

So if you already have your code from Novice at 5wpm, do you
have to re-take the code test to upgrade to General or do you
just take a written test?

-mike

Most folks can get past the 5WPM code
test with some effort. Last I heard, the issues of eliminating the
code is on the agenda for the next ITU meeting, but not sure
when that is. They only meet every ten years or something like
that. SOmebody else was asking me about this recently. They
thought they had heard that the code was now eliminated. I'll
check it out.


Doug, k3qt
s/v Callista

"Stan Winikoff" wrote in message
om...
I have been told that the Morse Code requirement for a Ham license is
required by international treaty. Others have said the requirement
will soon go by the wayside. I find the written and theory parts of
the Ham exam easy but code is an insurmountable obsticle for me. Any
chance that code will be dropped soon as a requirement for anything
more than a Novice license.

"Michael Sutton" wrote
"Doug Dotson" wrote
It is true that the code requirement is part of international treaty.

Not since the last (ITU?) convention just last year. It was dropped and
several countries (Japan & Canada?) quit code testing. The US FCC still
requires 5 wpm for General and Extra (ie, to use HF) but ARRL has petitioned
FCC to drop it. Don't hold your breath - FCC is OK but is still an American
bureaucracy so I'm sure anyone here can learn 5 wpm faster than it'll act on
the petition.

So if you already have your code from Novice at 5wpm, .....

Volunteer Examiners will give you credit if you have proof you passed it -
eg if you have a Novice or a Tech license dated before the advent of no-code
tech. In fact those who did code + novice written to become Novices, then
took the General written exam to become Techs can apply to get grandfathered
to General.

BTW, my child bride heads a W5YI VE team that admin's tests every other
month in Fredricksburg VA. If some of you want to take an exam in VA's
No.Neck or Middle Peninsula area she could prolly help.

K3DWW

"Vito" wrote in
:

Not since the last (ITU?) convention just last year. It was dropped
and several countries (Japan & Canada?) quit code testing. The US FCC
still requires 5 wpm for General and Extra (ie, to use HF) but ARRL
has petitioned FCC to drop it. Don't hold your breath - FCC is OK but
is still an American bureaucracy so I'm sure anyone here can learn 5
wpm faster than it'll act on the petition.

ARRL wants code dropped? My, my that IS a switch. ARRL has always wanted
to take ham radio back to 1935 any time I've seen them. They opposed us
having RTTY, every digital mode, AM, SSB, continuously. ARRL is the reason
the damned phone bands end at a higher frequency than the DX uses, damn
them.

I believe US and UK are the only CW hangers on because of their ARRL and
RGSB old fogies wanting to turn the clock back to "the good ol' days".

73, Larry W4CSC

An angry ARRL bureaucrat, dressed up like someone important, once
threatened to have my ham radio license revoked because he wanted to shut
me up asking embarrassing questions at an open forum. I told him the day
the damned ARRL could have my license revoked would be the day I
voluntarily would send it in. I'm still on the air.....(c;

"Larry W4CSC" wrote
ARRL wants code dropped? My, my that IS a switch. ARRL has always wanted
to take ham radio back to 1935 any time I've seen them. ....

Like any org, ARRL is people. Uncle Sam made a lot of people learn 20+ wpm
Morse before and during WW2 and so many of them became hams that they
controlled ARRL and set policies for their own benefit - policies that used
Morse proficiency to keep others out. But, as more and more of them retire
or go SK things change. New blood understands that the more active hams join
ARRL the more CQ magazines get sold.

73, Larry W4CSC

An angry ARRL bureaucrat, dressed up like someone important, ....

I've seen the same attitudes in ARES - club bureaucrats who think they trump
Government bureaucrats.

Enjoy your holiday,
K3DWW

I guess I'm a little behind as well. If I recall correctly, when the
last rule change happened that made 5WPM the speed for
General and Advanced, it was stated that the ITU requirement
was the reason that it could not be dropped entirely. Once the
ITU dropped the requirement, the FCC would iniate action
to follow suit. Personally, I think the code should stay.

Doug, k3qt
s/v Callista

"Vito" wrote in message
...
"Michael Sutton" wrote
"Doug Dotson" wrote
It is true that the code requirement is part of international treaty.

Not since the last (ITU?) convention just last year. It was dropped and
several countries (Japan & Canada?) quit code testing. The US FCC still
requires 5 wpm for General and Extra (ie, to use HF) but ARRL has
petitioned
FCC to drop it. Don't hold your breath - FCC is OK but is still an
American
bureaucracy so I'm sure anyone here can learn 5 wpm faster than it'll act
on
the petition.

So if you already have your code from Novice at 5wpm, .....

Volunteer Examiners will give you credit if you have proof you passed it -
eg if you have a Novice or a Tech license dated before the advent of
no-code
tech. In fact those who did code + novice written to become Novices, then
took the General written exam to become Techs can apply to get
grandfathered
to General.

BTW, my child bride heads a W5YI VE team that admin's tests every other
month in Fredricksburg VA. If some of you want to take an exam in VA's
No.Neck or Middle Peninsula area she could prolly help.

K3DWW

Doug Dotson wrote:

I guess I'm a little behind as well. If I recall correctly, when the
last rule change happened that made 5WPM the speed for
General and Advanced, it was stated that the ITU requirement
was the reason that it could not be dropped entirely. Once the
ITU dropped the requirement, the FCC would iniate action
to follow suit. Personally, I think the code should stay.

I am a bit worried about the bands going the way of CB if it gets to
easy but the code requirement really needs to go. I would like to see
the writtens get a lot tougher or at least not publish the actual
questions and answers in study books. Anybody with half a brain can
memorize a book from Radio Shack and pass it now.

--
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On 2004-05-11 said:
I guess I'm a little behind as well. If I recall correctly, when the
last rule change happened that made 5WPM the speed for
General and Advanced, it was stated that the ITU requirement
was the reason that it could not be dropped entirely. Once the
ITU dropped the requirement, the FCC would iniate action
to follow suit. Personally, I think the code should stay.
I'm with you DOug, but now that the ITU has dropped the requirement
the FCC is wanting to make a move in that direction.

friends and I have filed comments that we think the code should at
least stay for extra as the extra is supposed to be the comprehensive
license for all things ham radio, which means there should still be a
morse component in the extra exam in my not so humble opinion.

73



Richard Webb, amateur radio callsign nf5b
active on the Maritime Mobile service network, 14.300 mhz
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Doug Dotson wrote:

I guess I'm a little behind as well. If I recall correctly, when the
last rule change happened that made 5WPM the speed for
General and Advanced, it was stated that the ITU requirement
was the reason that it could not be dropped entirely. Once the
ITU dropped the requirement, the FCC would iniate action
to follow suit. Personally, I think the code should stay.

Doug, k3qt
s/v Callista

I agree with keeping the 5 WPM requirement. Being able to read an SOS,
read a repeater ID, etc., etc., is a good thing. And it does not hurt
anyone at 5 WPM. At that speed you can take a cheat sheet with you and
look the longer, harder to remember ones as they are sent. Of course, I
suppose there is someone that will have trouble as soon as they got to
those really tough ones with both dits and dahs... :)

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