Hi Jack,

I see that in the frequency list that it says: "The Coast Guard does
NOT monitor GMDSS radiotelephone or radiotelex channels."

I have heard several people say that they have never been able to
raise the Coast guard on any of those frequencies. Even though they
elude to the fact that they monitor them at the top of the page.

Awhile back I saw something on the Coast guard site that said "you may
need to make repeated calls for lengthy time" in order to raise them.

Are you saying that these channels are monitored?

Thanks
Gary


On Mon, 10 May 2004 18:35:20 -0400, "Jack Painter"
wrote:

"Doug Dotson" wrote in message
...
Hummm. Last time needed help and was out of VHF range I was
never able to raise any USCG station on marine SSB. When I did
finally get within range of a VHF CG station (very poor signal). I asked
if I could switch to an SSB frequency for better communications. I was
told that USCG no longer monitored Marine SSB, so it was poor
VHF or nothing. A few comments below.

Doug
s/v Callista

Doug,

I'm sorry to hear about your bad experience with USCG communications. HF
propagation is, as you know better than most, is never a sure thing,
especially from long distance, low power, solar activity and other
interference. But we do the very best possible 24/7 to maintain the best HF
coverage of any agency in the world from the USCG communication stations.

When the T/V Bow Mariner exploded and sank, they put out one Mayday on 2182
USB.
Four USCG Groups from Newport RI to Charleston SC answered it almost
simulataneously. It has been and continues to be monitored at every USCG
Group. CAMSLANT CHEASPEAKE (Virginia), where I work, monitors several listed
SSB maritime band guard frequencies and will assist any mariner on them (We
do not monitor 2182, Groups do that). CAMSPAC PT REYES in California does
the same for Pacific traffic. If you made a call on one of those guarded
frequencies, and you believe your radio worked, and it was not answered, you
should make a report to the USCG about it. If a mariner cannot obtain good
copy from one of the many guarded SSB maritime channels, I sure don't know
why the odds would be better on a circuit they are not authorized to use
_except in an emergency_, as they would not know the times guarded,
direction or location antennas pointed, etc. If you are authorized to modify
a radio, I'm sure you would try that route, but it is not legal advice to
give to the general boating public, including commercial craft to modify or
illegally operate SSB radios. Tracking down abuse from commercial fishermen
is easier than some might think, and when they operate on government
curcuits they are prosecuted.

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/marcomms/default.htm has all the information
about maritime SSB guard frequencies and other means of communications for
emergencies at sea.

As to why the license which is good for ten years to life, depending on
class and type, could cost $150, that's not something we can do anything
about, unless you think your Congressman would lobby the FCC to change it.

Hope this was some help,

73's

Jack Painter
USCG Auxiliary
Virginia Beach, Va


"Jack Painter" wrote in message
news:gkDnc.34930$pJ1.10709@lakeread02...
Hi Doug,

Yes I'm aware that a licensed Amateur Radio operator can build and
modify
equipment with the proper class license.

I beleive any license class is acceptable.

We rely on your expertise and
abilities in communication emergencies. I am the Emergency Readiness
Coordinator for the USCG Auxiliary Division 5, Port of Hampton Roads,
Va,
and we utilize all available agencies and volunteers in an emergency.
What
is bad practice though, is to encourage anyone to modify communications
equipment which as you know, is permitted only under very limited
circumstances and could not therefore be acceptable for general use in
emergency communications. If you can't do it legally, can't test it,
can't
tune it, and can't practice with it, you shouldn't have been encouraged
to
consider such equipment as part of your planning for emergencies.

There are several ham rigs on the market now that are type accepted for
marine SSB use. The mods are legal and operating them on the marine
SSB frequencies is legal. The SGC SG-2000 was the first one to be
granted type acceptance, but I'm pretty sure that several others are
now accepted.

Responsible sailors can easily get a license for SSB marine operations

So can irresponsible sailors. If they want to encourage sailors to get
the license, why charge $150 for it?

and
learn how to contact the USCG and other monitoring agencies, including
commercial and volunteer watchstanders on authorized SSB marine bands. I
work in this field for USCG HF communications, and we are happy to
provide
assistance to boaters in this matter.

Well as I said earlier, the only time I was in an emergency situation, I
got
absolutely nowhere with marine SSB.

Best regards,

Jack Painter
Virginia Beach, Va


"Doug Dotson" wrote in message
...
Fortunately, ham radio is not under the same rules as marine
SSB when it comes to modifications. Type accepted marine gear cannot
be modified but ham gear can. I can build my own rig if I want to
and I am not violating any law unless have emmisions that are in
violation to those specified (freq, spurious radiation, harmonics,
etc).
In other words, I can't violate the law unless I transmit.
If you look closer at the rules, all rules are suspended in an
emergency.
So transmitting on a modified rig is not illegal in an emergency.

As far as having a cheap rig on board, that is a personal choice. I
have
cruised with many that don't have an SSB.

Doug (That is my real name)
s/v Callista

"Jack Painter" wrote in message
news:fgCnc.34527$pJ1.28623@lakeread02...
Gee, how do you really feel about it? Nice language. Those of us
whose
parents were married don't talk that way. And we don't hide behind
phony
internet ID's.

Anyone thinking about unauthorized mods to a SSB radio can write me
and
I
will be glad to find a local representative in your area where you
can
have
the law explained to you in person.

"master" try to teach his only mate, a totally inexperienced
girl,
how
to
raise the mainsail while he headed them out into 10' rollers in a
25kt
NE

That's poor judgement, and good sailors have no problem
understanding
this.

Jack Painter
Virginia Beach, VA

"santacruz" wrote in message
...
I'm not normally rude to ****heads like you - but you're not
answering
his question. You must be another ****ing Bush Republican.

It is perfectly legal to modify ham radios so they can transmit on
marine SSB freq's in an emergency.

Go ask your Mother - she'll confirm this.

BTW - 25 knots and 10 ft seas in a 38' boat is just exciting
sailing.
We get that frequently between Long Beach and Catalina - and it's
great fast sailing.




On Sun, 9 May 2004 01:13:45 -0400, "Jack Painter"

wrote:

"Eric" wrote in message
. com...
I am looking for an inexpensive tranceiver for my sailboat.I am
rapidly running out of money and need a cheap reliable rig.I
have
just
insulated my backstay(37 feet).aAny ideas? Thanks,Eric.

Eric,

Your somewhat typical request elcited somewhat typical replies so
far.

Maybe it's helpful to you to get an answer to that question, but
I
think
you're attitude is likely to cost someone's life, probably your
own.
If
you
really think getting a "cheap reliable rig" as you are now
"rapidly
running
out of money" is the acceptable order of things before an
offshore
excursion, you are an accident waiting to happen. Well meaning
but
improper
advice from the group comes complete with telling you it's easy
to
break
the
law, and encouraging you to do so. These legal eagles really
believe
that
so
long as you later have an emergency (assured in your case Eric),
you
didn't
break any law. They are wrong, as are your priorities. Instead of
compounding your mistakes with their bad advice, your whole
sailing
experience would be more enjoyable and safer if you would learn
some
simple
safe boating practices. Then you would be more likely to prevent
the
need
for cheap radios you are not licensed or trained to use, as well
as
understand the fallacy of advice to believe in illegal operation
as
a
saving
grace to other inadequacies.

I recommend you take some seamanship, communications and other
safe
boating
courses offered by the United States Power Squadrons and United
States
Coast
Guard Auxiliary via your nearest marina or boating center. Then
you
could
be
safely enjoying the water and able to help others do the same
instead
of
learning to break the law and operating recklessly from a vessel
and
crew
of
uncertain capabilities. Like the 38' sloop we saw today -
watching
her
"master" try to teach his only mate, a totally inexperienced
girl,
how
to
raise the mainsail while he headed them out into 10' rollers in a
25kt
NE
under small craft warnings this morning. I wonder if he was
confident
that
his illegally modifed "cheap" SSB radio could have raised us. It
would
fit
the bill.

Sincerely,

Jack Painter
USCG Auxiliary
Virginia Beach, Va

My solution to my situation was to send an email to a friend who
then called Vessel Assist. Assistance was there 45 minutes later.
This is after trying for 2 hours to raise the CG or CGA just to be
told that they would talk to me on SSB.

A few comments below.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Jack Painter" wrote in message
news:JsTnc.35319$pJ1.1691@lakeread02...
"Doug Dotson" wrote in message
...
Hummm. Last time needed help and was out of VHF range I was
never able to raise any USCG station on marine SSB. When I did
finally get within range of a VHF CG station (very poor signal). I asked
if I could switch to an SSB frequency for better communications. I was
told that USCG no longer monitored Marine SSB, so it was poor
VHF or nothing. A few comments below.

Doug
s/v Callista

Doug,

I'm sorry to hear about your bad experience with USCG communications. HF
propagation is, as you know better than most, is never a sure thing,
especially from long distance, low power, solar activity and other
interference. But we do the very best possible 24/7 to maintain the best
HF
coverage of any agency in the world from the USCG communication stations.

I'm aware of propagation issues. My dissapointment was when I finally got
tenuous VHF contact with the CG and asked if there was an SSB freq I could
contact them on, they said NO. They did not support SSB. My distance at
that time was maybe 30 miles just off the coast of Jupiter Inlet.

When the T/V Bow Mariner exploded and sank, they put out one Mayday on
2182
USB.

They were lucky. I tried to call the CG on 2182 when I couldn't raise
them on VHF. No answer.

Four USCG Groups from Newport RI to Charleston SC answered it almost
simulataneously. It has been and continues to be monitored at every USCG
Group. CAMSLANT CHEASPEAKE (Virginia), where I work, monitors several
listed
SSB maritime band guard frequencies and will assist any mariner on them
(We
do not monitor 2182, Groups do that). CAMSPAC PT REYES in California does
the same for Pacific traffic. If you made a call on one of those guarded
frequencies, and you believe your radio worked, and it was not answered,
you
should make a report to the USCG about it.

Right, filing a report will make everything work. How about if I file a
report
about the ICW shoaling up

If a mariner cannot obtain good
copy from one of the many guarded SSB maritime channels, I sure don't know
why the odds would be better on a circuit they are not authorized to use
_except in an emergency_, as they would not know the times guarded,
direction or location antennas pointed, etc.

Well, if I can't raise anyone on the channels the are "guarded", then I
should just
pack it in and give up rather than try using another channel that may be
illegal in a non-emergency situation. So if I can't get help from USCG or
USCGA then I should just drift along.

If you are authorized to modify
a radio, I'm sure you would try that route, but it is not legal advice to
give to the general boating public, including commercial craft to modify
or
illegally operate SSB radios.

Now that is precious. Since when is it illegal to advise someone. It is
only illegal when someone violates the law. And as I said earlier, many
ham rigs are type accepted for marine SSB use. I have the Rules and Regs
here. Please advise me on where it says that giving advise is illegal.

Tracking down abuse from commercial fishermen
is easier than some might think, and when they operate on government
curcuits they are prosecuted.

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/marcomms/default.htm has all the information
about maritime SSB guard frequencies and other means of communications for
emergencies at sea.

I'll check it out.

As to why the license which is good for ten years to life, depending on
class and type, could cost $150, that's not something we can do anything
about, unless you think your Congressman would lobby the FCC to change it.

It's not good for 10 years to life. It is good for 10 years period. Although
the yearly rate is fair, the lump sum up front cost turns many off and so
they just don't bother to get it. FCC licensing is inconsistent at best. I
didn't
have to pay a penny to get any of my ham licenses, my GROL, or GMDSS/M,
but I have to pay for a ship's station license. Go figure.

Hope this was some help,

73's

Jack Painter
USCG Auxiliary
Virginia Beach, Va


"Jack Painter" wrote in message
news:gkDnc.34930$pJ1.10709@lakeread02...
Hi Doug,

Yes I'm aware that a licensed Amateur Radio operator can build and
modify
equipment with the proper class license.

I beleive any license class is acceptable.

We rely on your expertise and
abilities in communication emergencies. I am the Emergency Readiness
Coordinator for the USCG Auxiliary Division 5, Port of Hampton Roads,
Va,
and we utilize all available agencies and volunteers in an emergency.
What
is bad practice though, is to encourage anyone to modify
communications
equipment which as you know, is permitted only under very limited
circumstances and could not therefore be acceptable for general use in
emergency communications. If you can't do it legally, can't test it,
can't
tune it, and can't practice with it, you shouldn't have been
encouraged
to
consider such equipment as part of your planning for emergencies.

There are several ham rigs on the market now that are type accepted for
marine SSB use. The mods are legal and operating them on the marine
SSB frequencies is legal. The SGC SG-2000 was the first one to be
granted type acceptance, but I'm pretty sure that several others are
now accepted.

Responsible sailors can easily get a license for SSB marine operations

So can irresponsible sailors. If they want to encourage sailors to get
the license, why charge $150 for it?

and
learn how to contact the USCG and other monitoring agencies, including
commercial and volunteer watchstanders on authorized SSB marine bands.
I
work in this field for USCG HF communications, and we are happy to
provide
assistance to boaters in this matter.

Well as I said earlier, the only time I was in an emergency situation, I
got
absolutely nowhere with marine SSB.

Best regards,

Jack Painter
Virginia Beach, Va


"Doug Dotson" wrote in message
...
Fortunately, ham radio is not under the same rules as marine
SSB when it comes to modifications. Type accepted marine gear cannot
be modified but ham gear can. I can build my own rig if I want to
and I am not violating any law unless have emmisions that are in
violation to those specified (freq, spurious radiation, harmonics,
etc).
In other words, I can't violate the law unless I transmit.
If you look closer at the rules, all rules are suspended in an
emergency.
So transmitting on a modified rig is not illegal in an emergency.

As far as having a cheap rig on board, that is a personal choice. I
have
cruised with many that don't have an SSB.

Doug (That is my real name)
s/v Callista

"Jack Painter" wrote in message
news:fgCnc.34527$pJ1.28623@lakeread02...
Gee, how do you really feel about it? Nice language. Those of us
whose
parents were married don't talk that way. And we don't hide behind
phony
internet ID's.

Anyone thinking about unauthorized mods to a SSB radio can write
me
and
I
will be glad to find a local representative in your area where you
can
have
the law explained to you in person.

"master" try to teach his only mate, a totally inexperienced
girl,
how
to
raise the mainsail while he headed them out into 10' rollers in
a
25kt
NE

That's poor judgement, and good sailors have no problem
understanding
this.

Jack Painter
Virginia Beach, VA

"santacruz" wrote in message
...
I'm not normally rude to ****heads like you - but you're not
answering
his question. You must be another ****ing Bush Republican.

It is perfectly legal to modify ham radios so they can transmit
on
marine SSB freq's in an emergency.

Go ask your Mother - she'll confirm this.

BTW - 25 knots and 10 ft seas in a 38' boat is just exciting
sailing.
We get that frequently between Long Beach and Catalina - and
it's
great fast sailing.




On Sun, 9 May 2004 01:13:45 -0400, "Jack Painter"

wrote:

"Eric" wrote in message
. com...
I am looking for an inexpensive tranceiver for my sailboat.I
am
rapidly running out of money and need a cheap reliable rig.I
have
just
insulated my backstay(37 feet).aAny ideas? Thanks,Eric.

Eric,

Your somewhat typical request elcited somewhat typical replies
so
far.

Maybe it's helpful to you to get an answer to that question,
but
I
think
you're attitude is likely to cost someone's life, probably your
own.
If
you
really think getting a "cheap reliable rig" as you are now
"rapidly
running
out of money" is the acceptable order of things before an
offshore
excursion, you are an accident waiting to happen. Well meaning
but
improper
advice from the group comes complete with telling you it's easy
to
break
the
law, and encouraging you to do so. These legal eagles really
believe
that
so
long as you later have an emergency (assured in your case
Eric),
you
didn't
break any law. They are wrong, as are your priorities. Instead
of
compounding your mistakes with their bad advice, your whole
sailing
experience would be more enjoyable and safer if you would learn
some
simple
safe boating practices. Then you would be more likely to
prevent
the
need
for cheap radios you are not licensed or trained to use, as
well
as
understand the fallacy of advice to believe in illegal
operation
as
a
saving
grace to other inadequacies.

I recommend you take some seamanship, communications and other
safe
boating
courses offered by the United States Power Squadrons and United
States
Coast
Guard Auxiliary via your nearest marina or boating center. Then
you
could
be
safely enjoying the water and able to help others do the same
instead
of
learning to break the law and operating recklessly from a
vessel
and
crew
of
uncertain capabilities. Like the 38' sloop we saw today -
watching
her
"master" try to teach his only mate, a totally inexperienced
girl,
how
to
raise the mainsail while he headed them out into 10' rollers in
a
25kt
NE
under small craft warnings this morning. I wonder if he was
confident
that
his illegally modifed "cheap" SSB radio could have raised us.
It
would
fit
the bill.

Sincerely,

Jack Painter
USCG Auxiliary
Virginia Beach, Va

Oops!

told that they would NOT talk to me on SSB.

That's what happens when I let my fingers do the talking

Doug
s/v Callista

"Doug Dotson" wrote in message
...
My solution to my situation was to send an email to a friend who
then called Vessel Assist. Assistance was there 45 minutes later.
This is after trying for 2 hours to raise the CG or CGA just to be
told that they would talk to me on SSB.

A few comments below.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Jack Painter" wrote in message
news:JsTnc.35319$pJ1.1691@lakeread02...
"Doug Dotson" wrote in message
...
Hummm. Last time needed help and was out of VHF range I was
never able to raise any USCG station on marine SSB. When I did
finally get within range of a VHF CG station (very poor signal). I
asked
if I could switch to an SSB frequency for better communications. I was
told that USCG no longer monitored Marine SSB, so it was poor
VHF or nothing. A few comments below.

Doug
s/v Callista

Doug,

I'm sorry to hear about your bad experience with USCG communications. HF
propagation is, as you know better than most, is never a sure thing,
especially from long distance, low power, solar activity and other
interference. But we do the very best possible 24/7 to maintain the best
HF
coverage of any agency in the world from the USCG communication
stations.

I'm aware of propagation issues. My dissapointment was when I finally got
tenuous VHF contact with the CG and asked if there was an SSB freq I could
contact them on, they said NO. They did not support SSB. My distance at
that time was maybe 30 miles just off the coast of Jupiter Inlet.

When the T/V Bow Mariner exploded and sank, they put out one Mayday on
2182
USB.

They were lucky. I tried to call the CG on 2182 when I couldn't raise
them on VHF. No answer.

Four USCG Groups from Newport RI to Charleston SC answered it almost
simulataneously. It has been and continues to be monitored at every USCG
Group. CAMSLANT CHEASPEAKE (Virginia), where I work, monitors several
listed
SSB maritime band guard frequencies and will assist any mariner on them
(We
do not monitor 2182, Groups do that). CAMSPAC PT REYES in California
does
the same for Pacific traffic. If you made a call on one of those
guarded
frequencies, and you believe your radio worked, and it was not answered,
you
should make a report to the USCG about it.

Right, filing a report will make everything work. How about if I file a
report
about the ICW shoaling up

If a mariner cannot obtain good
copy from one of the many guarded SSB maritime channels, I sure don't
know
why the odds would be better on a circuit they are not authorized to use
_except in an emergency_, as they would not know the times guarded,
direction or location antennas pointed, etc.

Well, if I can't raise anyone on the channels the are "guarded", then I
should just
pack it in and give up rather than try using another channel that may be
illegal in a non-emergency situation. So if I can't get help from USCG or
USCGA then I should just drift along.

If you are authorized to modify
a radio, I'm sure you would try that route, but it is not legal advice
to
give to the general boating public, including commercial craft to modify
or
illegally operate SSB radios.

Now that is precious. Since when is it illegal to advise someone. It is
only illegal when someone violates the law. And as I said earlier, many
ham rigs are type accepted for marine SSB use. I have the Rules and Regs
here. Please advise me on where it says that giving advise is illegal.

Tracking down abuse from commercial fishermen
is easier than some might think, and when they operate on government
curcuits they are prosecuted.

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/marcomms/default.htm has all the information
about maritime SSB guard frequencies and other means of communications
for
emergencies at sea.

I'll check it out.

As to why the license which is good for ten years to life, depending on
class and type, could cost $150, that's not something we can do anything
about, unless you think your Congressman would lobby the FCC to change
it.

It's not good for 10 years to life. It is good for 10 years period.
Although
the yearly rate is fair, the lump sum up front cost turns many off and so
they just don't bother to get it. FCC licensing is inconsistent at best. I
didn't
have to pay a penny to get any of my ham licenses, my GROL, or GMDSS/M,
but I have to pay for a ship's station license. Go figure.

Hope this was some help,

73's

Jack Painter
USCG Auxiliary
Virginia Beach, Va


"Jack Painter" wrote in message
news:gkDnc.34930$pJ1.10709@lakeread02...
Hi Doug,

Yes I'm aware that a licensed Amateur Radio operator can build and
modify
equipment with the proper class license.

I beleive any license class is acceptable.

We rely on your expertise and
abilities in communication emergencies. I am the Emergency Readiness
Coordinator for the USCG Auxiliary Division 5, Port of Hampton
Roads,
Va,
and we utilize all available agencies and volunteers in an
emergency.
What
is bad practice though, is to encourage anyone to modify
communications
equipment which as you know, is permitted only under very limited
circumstances and could not therefore be acceptable for general use
in
emergency communications. If you can't do it legally, can't test it,
can't
tune it, and can't practice with it, you shouldn't have been
encouraged
to
consider such equipment as part of your planning for emergencies.

There are several ham rigs on the market now that are type accepted
for
marine SSB use. The mods are legal and operating them on the marine
SSB frequencies is legal. The SGC SG-2000 was the first one to be
granted type acceptance, but I'm pretty sure that several others are
now accepted.

Responsible sailors can easily get a license for SSB marine
operations

So can irresponsible sailors. If they want to encourage sailors to get
the license, why charge $150 for it?

and
learn how to contact the USCG and other monitoring agencies,
including
commercial and volunteer watchstanders on authorized SSB marine
bands.
I
work in this field for USCG HF communications, and we are happy to
provide
assistance to boaters in this matter.

Well as I said earlier, the only time I was in an emergency situation,
I
got
absolutely nowhere with marine SSB.

Best regards,

Jack Painter
Virginia Beach, Va


"Doug Dotson" wrote in message
...
Fortunately, ham radio is not under the same rules as marine
SSB when it comes to modifications. Type accepted marine gear
cannot
be modified but ham gear can. I can build my own rig if I want to
and I am not violating any law unless have emmisions that are in
violation to those specified (freq, spurious radiation, harmonics,
etc).
In other words, I can't violate the law unless I transmit.
If you look closer at the rules, all rules are suspended in an
emergency.
So transmitting on a modified rig is not illegal in an emergency.

As far as having a cheap rig on board, that is a personal choice.
I
have
cruised with many that don't have an SSB.

Doug (That is my real name)
s/v Callista

"Jack Painter" wrote in message
news:fgCnc.34527$pJ1.28623@lakeread02...
Gee, how do you really feel about it? Nice language. Those of us
whose
parents were married don't talk that way. And we don't hide
behind
phony
internet ID's.

Anyone thinking about unauthorized mods to a SSB radio can write
me
and
I
will be glad to find a local representative in your area where
you
can
have
the law explained to you in person.

"master" try to teach his only mate, a totally inexperienced
girl,
how
to
raise the mainsail while he headed them out into 10' rollers
in
a
25kt
NE

That's poor judgement, and good sailors have no problem
understanding
this.

Jack Painter
Virginia Beach, VA

"santacruz" wrote in message
...
I'm not normally rude to ****heads like you - but you're not
answering
his question. You must be another ****ing Bush Republican.

It is perfectly legal to modify ham radios so they can
transmit
on
marine SSB freq's in an emergency.

Go ask your Mother - she'll confirm this.

BTW - 25 knots and 10 ft seas in a 38' boat is just exciting
sailing.
We get that frequently between Long Beach and Catalina - and
it's
great fast sailing.




On Sun, 9 May 2004 01:13:45 -0400, "Jack Painter"

wrote:

"Eric" wrote in message
. com...
I am looking for an inexpensive tranceiver for my
sailboat.I
am
rapidly running out of money and need a cheap reliable
rig.I
have
just
insulated my backstay(37 feet).aAny ideas? Thanks,Eric.

Eric,

Your somewhat typical request elcited somewhat typical
replies
so
far.

Maybe it's helpful to you to get an answer to that question,
but
I
think
you're attitude is likely to cost someone's life, probably
your
own.
If
you
really think getting a "cheap reliable rig" as you are now
"rapidly
running
out of money" is the acceptable order of things before an
offshore
excursion, you are an accident waiting to happen. Well
meaning
but
improper
advice from the group comes complete with telling you it's
easy
to
break
the
law, and encouraging you to do so. These legal eagles really
believe
that
so
long as you later have an emergency (assured in your case
Eric),
you
didn't
break any law. They are wrong, as are your priorities.
Instead
of
compounding your mistakes with their bad advice, your whole
sailing
experience would be more enjoyable and safer if you would
learn
some
simple
safe boating practices. Then you would be more likely to
prevent
the
need
for cheap radios you are not licensed or trained to use, as
well
as
understand the fallacy of advice to believe in illegal
operation
as
a
saving
grace to other inadequacies.

I recommend you take some seamanship, communications and
other
safe
boating
courses offered by the United States Power Squadrons and
United
States
Coast
Guard Auxiliary via your nearest marina or boating center.
Then
you
could
be
safely enjoying the water and able to help others do the same
instead
of
learning to break the law and operating recklessly from a
vessel
and
crew
of
uncertain capabilities. Like the 38' sloop we saw today -
watching
her
"master" try to teach his only mate, a totally inexperienced
girl,
how
to
raise the mainsail while he headed them out into 10' rollers
in
a
25kt
NE
under small craft warnings this morning. I wonder if he was
confident
that
his illegally modifed "cheap" SSB radio could have raised us.
It
would
fit
the bill.

Sincerely,

Jack Painter
USCG Auxiliary
Virginia Beach, Va

"Gary Schafer" wrote in message
...
Hi Jack,


Hello Gary,

I see that in the frequency list that it says: "The Coast Guard does
NOT monitor GMDSS radiotelephone or radiotelex channels."

Right, and this is more or less standard worldwide, if a DSC emergency call
is received then the related voice channel would have callouts made on it.
We do this for any emergency received, regardless of how far away it might
be.

I have heard several people say that they have never been able to
raise the Coast guard on any of those frequencies. Even though they
elude to the fact that they monitor them at the top of the page.

There was probably a misunderstanding about those being monitored then,
GMDSS are no, except 2182 which is guarded by Groups.. These are guarded:
http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/marcomms/...uency/call.htm

Awhile back I saw something on the Coast guard site that said "you may
need to make repeated calls for lengthy time" in order to raise them.

Are you saying that these channels are monitored?

Not sure if you were talking about the scheduled-guarded freqs I just
referenced, so please let me know. While we have many transmitters at each
of the remote sites (Boston, Virginia Beach (called Portsmouth out of
tradition), Miami, and New Orleans, sometimes all available transmitters
could be busy covering SCN, Air to Ground, HFDX, e-mails and other Cutter
traffic, etc. So a (hopefully) short wait is almost assured at any given
moment. Even before the USCG and USCG Auxiliary joined the Department of
Homeland Security, we were tasked with supporting Customs, Immigration,
Border Patrol, Agriculture, and security. Those support missions are now
ten-fold of what they once were, and the traditional law enforcements of
Fisheries, treaties, commercial saftey and pleasure boat safety are growing
every year as well. S it is a challenging and exciting time to be serving
and I hope your future experiences are all supportive and satisfactory. And
as Doug alluded to jokingly, no a report of an incident won't fix things,
but it helps, and the lack of effort to improve the system never got us
anywhere!

Best regards,

Jack Painter
Virginia Beach

Thanks
Gary


On Mon, 10 May 2004 18:35:20 -0400, "Jack Painter"
wrote:

"Doug Dotson" wrote in message
...
Hummm. Last time needed help and was out of VHF range I was
never able to raise any USCG station on marine SSB. When I did
finally get within range of a VHF CG station (very poor signal). I
asked
if I could switch to an SSB frequency for better communications. I was
told that USCG no longer monitored Marine SSB, so it was poor
VHF or nothing. A few comments below.

Doug
s/v Callista

Doug,

I'm sorry to hear about your bad experience with USCG communications. HF
propagation is, as you know better than most, is never a sure thing,
especially from long distance, low power, solar activity and other
interference. But we do the very best possible 24/7 to maintain the best
HF
coverage of any agency in the world from the USCG communication stations.

When the T/V Bow Mariner exploded and sank, they put out one Mayday on
2182
USB.
Four USCG Groups from Newport RI to Charleston SC answered it almost
simulataneously. It has been and continues to be monitored at every USCG
Group. CAMSLANT CHEASPEAKE (Virginia), where I work, monitors several
listed
SSB maritime band guard frequencies and will assist any mariner on them
(We
do not monitor 2182, Groups do that). CAMSPAC PT REYES in California does
the same for Pacific traffic. If you made a call on one of those guarded
frequencies, and you believe your radio worked, and it was not answered,
you
should make a report to the USCG about it. If a mariner cannot obtain
good
copy from one of the many guarded SSB maritime channels, I sure don't
know
why the odds would be better on a circuit they are not authorized to use
_except in an emergency_, as they would not know the times guarded,
direction or location antennas pointed, etc. If you are authorized to
modify
a radio, I'm sure you would try that route, but it is not legal advice to
give to the general boating public, including commercial craft to modify
or
illegally operate SSB radios. Tracking down abuse from commercial
fishermen
is easier than some might think, and when they operate on government
curcuits they are prosecuted.

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/marcomms/default.htm has all the information
about maritime SSB guard frequencies and other means of communications
for
emergencies at sea.

As to why the license which is good for ten years to life, depending on
class and type, could cost $150, that's not something we can do anything
about, unless you think your Congressman would lobby the FCC to change
it.

Hope this was some help,

73's

Jack Painter
USCG Auxiliary
Virginia Beach, Va


"Jack Painter" wrote in message
news:gkDnc.34930$pJ1.10709@lakeread02...
Hi Doug,

Yes I'm aware that a licensed Amateur Radio operator can build and
modify
equipment with the proper class license.

I beleive any license class is acceptable.

We rely on your expertise and
abilities in communication emergencies. I am the Emergency Readiness
Coordinator for the USCG Auxiliary Division 5, Port of Hampton Roads,
Va,
and we utilize all available agencies and volunteers in an emergency.
What
is bad practice though, is to encourage anyone to modify
communications
equipment which as you know, is permitted only under very limited
circumstances and could not therefore be acceptable for general use
in
emergency communications. If you can't do it legally, can't test it,
can't
tune it, and can't practice with it, you shouldn't have been
encouraged
to
consider such equipment as part of your planning for emergencies.

There are several ham rigs on the market now that are type accepted for
marine SSB use. The mods are legal and operating them on the marine
SSB frequencies is legal. The SGC SG-2000 was the first one to be
granted type acceptance, but I'm pretty sure that several others are
now accepted.

Responsible sailors can easily get a license for SSB marine
operations

So can irresponsible sailors. If they want to encourage sailors to get
the license, why charge $150 for it?

and
learn how to contact the USCG and other monitoring agencies,
including
commercial and volunteer watchstanders on authorized SSB marine
bands. I
work in this field for USCG HF communications, and we are happy to
provide
assistance to boaters in this matter.

Well as I said earlier, the only time I was in an emergency situation,
I
got
absolutely nowhere with marine SSB.

Best regards,

Jack Painter
Virginia Beach, Va


"Doug Dotson" wrote in message
...
Fortunately, ham radio is not under the same rules as marine
SSB when it comes to modifications. Type accepted marine gear
cannot
be modified but ham gear can. I can build my own rig if I want to
and I am not violating any law unless have emmisions that are in
violation to those specified (freq, spurious radiation, harmonics,
etc).
In other words, I can't violate the law unless I transmit.
If you look closer at the rules, all rules are suspended in an
emergency.
So transmitting on a modified rig is not illegal in an emergency.

As far as having a cheap rig on board, that is a personal choice. I
have
cruised with many that don't have an SSB.

Doug (That is my real name)
s/v Callista

"Jack Painter" wrote in message
news:fgCnc.34527$pJ1.28623@lakeread02...
Gee, how do you really feel about it? Nice language. Those of us
whose
parents were married don't talk that way. And we don't hide
behind
phony
internet ID's.

Anyone thinking about unauthorized mods to a SSB radio can write
me
and
I
will be glad to find a local representative in your area where
you
can
have
the law explained to you in person.

"master" try to teach his only mate, a totally inexperienced
girl,
how
to
raise the mainsail while he headed them out into 10' rollers
in a
25kt
NE

That's poor judgement, and good sailors have no problem
understanding
this.

Jack Painter
Virginia Beach, VA

"santacruz" wrote in message
...
I'm not normally rude to ****heads like you - but you're not
answering
his question. You must be another ****ing Bush Republican.

It is perfectly legal to modify ham radios so they can transmit
on
marine SSB freq's in an emergency.

Go ask your Mother - she'll confirm this.

BTW - 25 knots and 10 ft seas in a 38' boat is just exciting
sailing.
We get that frequently between Long Beach and Catalina - and
it's
great fast sailing.




On Sun, 9 May 2004 01:13:45 -0400, "Jack Painter"

wrote:

"Eric" wrote in message
. com...
I am looking for an inexpensive tranceiver for my sailboat.I
am
rapidly running out of money and need a cheap reliable rig.I
have
just
insulated my backstay(37 feet).aAny ideas? Thanks,Eric.

Eric,

Your somewhat typical request elcited somewhat typical replies
so
far.

Maybe it's helpful to you to get an answer to that question,
but
I
think
you're attitude is likely to cost someone's life, probably
your
own.
If
you
really think getting a "cheap reliable rig" as you are now
"rapidly
running
out of money" is the acceptable order of things before an
offshore
excursion, you are an accident waiting to happen. Well meaning
but
improper
advice from the group comes complete with telling you it's
easy
to
break
the
law, and encouraging you to do so. These legal eagles really
believe
that
so
long as you later have an emergency (assured in your case
Eric),
you
didn't
break any law. They are wrong, as are your priorities. Instead
of
compounding your mistakes with their bad advice, your whole
sailing
experience would be more enjoyable and safer if you would
learn
some
simple
safe boating practices. Then you would be more likely to
prevent
the
need
for cheap radios you are not licensed or trained to use, as
well
as
understand the fallacy of advice to believe in illegal
operation
as
a
saving
grace to other inadequacies.

I recommend you take some seamanship, communications and other
safe
boating
courses offered by the United States Power Squadrons and
United
States
Coast
Guard Auxiliary via your nearest marina or boating center.
Then
you
could
be
safely enjoying the water and able to help others do the same
instead
of
learning to break the law and operating recklessly from a
vessel
and
crew
of
uncertain capabilities. Like the 38' sloop we saw today -
watching
her
"master" try to teach his only mate, a totally inexperienced
girl,
how
to
raise the mainsail while he headed them out into 10' rollers
in a
25kt
NE
under small craft warnings this morning. I wonder if he was
confident
that
his illegally modifed "cheap" SSB radio could have raised us.
It
would
fit
the bill.

Sincerely,

Jack Painter
USCG Auxiliary
Virginia Beach, Va

"Doug Dotson" wrote in message
...
My solution to my situation was to send an email to a friend who
then called Vessel Assist. Assistance was there 45 minutes later.
This is after trying for 2 hours to raise the CG or CGA just to be
told that they would talk to me on SSB.

Yep, that's unsat. But it would have helped to pursue it at the time, as I
think you would have received an apology and explanation at the time. I
wouldn't make the generalization that that bad experience certainly deserved
for it's event.


A few comments below.

answered below


Doug
s/v Callista

"Jack Painter" wrote in message
news:JsTnc.35319$pJ1.1691@lakeread02...
"Doug Dotson" wrote in message
...
Hummm. Last time needed help and was out of VHF range I was
never able to raise any USCG station on marine SSB. When I did
finally get within range of a VHF CG station (very poor signal). I
asked
if I could switch to an SSB frequency for better communications. I was
told that USCG no longer monitored Marine SSB, so it was poor
VHF or nothing. A few comments below.

Doug
s/v Callista

Doug,

I'm sorry to hear about your bad experience with USCG communications. HF
propagation is, as you know better than most, is never a sure thing,
especially from long distance, low power, solar activity and other
interference. But we do the very best possible 24/7 to maintain the best
HF
coverage of any agency in the world from the USCG communication
stations.

I'm aware of propagation issues. My dissapointment was when I finally got
tenuous VHF contact with the CG and asked if there was an SSB freq I could
contact them on, they said NO. They did not support SSB. My distance at
that time was maybe 30 miles just off the coast of Jupiter Inlet.

Covered above, but since you gave specifics I can inquire as far as current
capability goes.


When the T/V Bow Mariner exploded and sank, they put out one Mayday on
2182
USB.

They were lucky. I tried to call the CG on 2182 when I couldn't raise
them on VHF. No answer.

Four instant replies not usually considered "luck"! I happened to be on
watch that evening.

Four USCG Groups from Newport RI to Charleston SC answered it almost
simulataneously. It has been and continues to be monitored at every USCG
Group. CAMSLANT CHEASPEAKE (Virginia), where I work, monitors several
listed
SSB maritime band guard frequencies and will assist any mariner on them
(We
do not monitor 2182, Groups do that). CAMSPAC PT REYES in California
does
the same for Pacific traffic. If you made a call on one of those
guarded
frequencies, and you believe your radio worked, and it was not answered,
you
should make a report to the USCG about it.

Right, filing a report will make everything work. How about if I file a
report
about the ICW shoaling up

That is funny. But,

I never stopped writing my Congressmen when I joined the Navy, and I haven't
stopped now. The difference is, twenty years later, now I know them all
pretty well.


If a mariner cannot obtain good
copy from one of the many guarded SSB maritime channels, I sure don't
know
why the odds would be better on a circuit they are not authorized to use
_except in an emergency_, as they would not know the times guarded,
direction or location antennas pointed, etc.

Well, if I can't raise anyone on the channels the are "guarded", then I
should just
pack it in and give up rather than try using another channel that may be
illegal in a non-emergency situation. So if I can't get help from USCG or
USCGA then I should just drift along.

If you are authorized to modify
a radio, I'm sure you would try that route, but it is not legal advice
to
give to the general boating public, including commercial craft to modify
or
illegally operate SSB radios.

Now that is precious. Since when is it illegal to advise someone. It is
only illegal when someone violates the law. And as I said earlier, many
ham rigs are type accepted for marine SSB use. I have the Rules and Regs
here. Please advise me on where it says that giving advise is illegal.

Well Doug, I'm probably being a little more cautious than you are, but some
and I'm sure you are one, would understand that even if giving advice to
commit an act that might be illegal for a large class of people "might" not
result in prosecution of the [sic] free advice giver, it could nonetheless
get you in a lot of trouble via various civil and social remedies. If
however it was a professional paid opinion, or even free advice from a
professional who knows or should no better, to advise on accomplishing or
carrying out an illegal act may certainly be a punishable offense. Since you
clearly know the law pretty well, and are a licensed Radio Operartor for
both Marine and Amateur, you see my point.

Best,

Jack


Tracking down abuse from commercial fishermen
is easier than some might think, and when they operate on government
curcuits they are prosecuted.

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/marcomms/default.htm has all the information
about maritime SSB guard frequencies and other means of communications
for
emergencies at sea.

I'll check it out.

As to why the license which is good for ten years to life, depending on
class and type, could cost $150, that's not something we can do anything
about, unless you think your Congressman would lobby the FCC to change
it.

It's not good for 10 years to life. It is good for 10 years period.
Although
the yearly rate is fair, the lump sum up front cost turns many off and so
they just don't bother to get it. FCC licensing is inconsistent at best. I
didn't
have to pay a penny to get any of my ham licenses, my GROL, or GMDSS/M,
but I have to pay for a ship's station license. Go figure.

Hope this was some help,

73's

Jack Painter
USCG Auxiliary
Virginia Beach, Va


"Jack Painter" wrote in message
news:gkDnc.34930$pJ1.10709@lakeread02...
Hi Doug,

Yes I'm aware that a licensed Amateur Radio operator can build and
modify
equipment with the proper class license.

I beleive any license class is acceptable.

We rely on your expertise and
abilities in communication emergencies. I am the Emergency Readiness
Coordinator for the USCG Auxiliary Division 5, Port of Hampton
Roads,
Va,
and we utilize all available agencies and volunteers in an
emergency.
What
is bad practice though, is to encourage anyone to modify
communications
equipment which as you know, is permitted only under very limited
circumstances and could not therefore be acceptable for general use
in
emergency communications. If you can't do it legally, can't test it,
can't
tune it, and can't practice with it, you shouldn't have been
encouraged
to
consider such equipment as part of your planning for emergencies.

There are several ham rigs on the market now that are type accepted
for
marine SSB use. The mods are legal and operating them on the marine
SSB frequencies is legal. The SGC SG-2000 was the first one to be
granted type acceptance, but I'm pretty sure that several others are
now accepted.

Responsible sailors can easily get a license for SSB marine
operations

So can irresponsible sailors. If they want to encourage sailors to get
the license, why charge $150 for it?

and
learn how to contact the USCG and other monitoring agencies,
including
commercial and volunteer watchstanders on authorized SSB marine
bands.
I
work in this field for USCG HF communications, and we are happy to
provide
assistance to boaters in this matter.

Well as I said earlier, the only time I was in an emergency situation,
I
got
absolutely nowhere with marine SSB.

Best regards,

Jack Painter
Virginia Beach, Va


"Doug Dotson" wrote in message
...
Fortunately, ham radio is not under the same rules as marine
SSB when it comes to modifications. Type accepted marine gear
cannot
be modified but ham gear can. I can build my own rig if I want to
and I am not violating any law unless have emmisions that are in
violation to those specified (freq, spurious radiation, harmonics,
etc).
In other words, I can't violate the law unless I transmit.
If you look closer at the rules, all rules are suspended in an
emergency.
So transmitting on a modified rig is not illegal in an emergency.

As far as having a cheap rig on board, that is a personal choice.
I
have
cruised with many that don't have an SSB.

Doug (That is my real name)
s/v Callista

"Jack Painter" wrote in message
news:fgCnc.34527$pJ1.28623@lakeread02...
Gee, how do you really feel about it? Nice language. Those of us
whose
parents were married don't talk that way. And we don't hide
behind
phony
internet ID's.

Anyone thinking about unauthorized mods to a SSB radio can write
me
and
I
will be glad to find a local representative in your area where
you
can
have
the law explained to you in person.

"master" try to teach his only mate, a totally inexperienced
girl,
how
to
raise the mainsail while he headed them out into 10' rollers
in
a
25kt
NE

That's poor judgement, and good sailors have no problem
understanding
this.

Jack Painter
Virginia Beach, VA

"santacruz" wrote in message
...
I'm not normally rude to ****heads like you - but you're not
answering
his question. You must be another ****ing Bush Republican.

It is perfectly legal to modify ham radios so they can
transmit
on
marine SSB freq's in an emergency.

Go ask your Mother - she'll confirm this.

BTW - 25 knots and 10 ft seas in a 38' boat is just exciting
sailing.
We get that frequently between Long Beach and Catalina - and
it's
great fast sailing.




On Sun, 9 May 2004 01:13:45 -0400, "Jack Painter"

wrote:

"Eric" wrote in message
. com...
I am looking for an inexpensive tranceiver for my
sailboat.I
am
rapidly running out of money and need a cheap reliable
rig.I
have
just
insulated my backstay(37 feet).aAny ideas? Thanks,Eric.

Eric,

Your somewhat typical request elcited somewhat typical
replies
so
far.

Maybe it's helpful to you to get an answer to that question,
but
I
think
you're attitude is likely to cost someone's life, probably
your
own.
If
you
really think getting a "cheap reliable rig" as you are now
"rapidly
running
out of money" is the acceptable order of things before an
offshore
excursion, you are an accident waiting to happen. Well
meaning
but
improper
advice from the group comes complete with telling you it's
easy
to
break
the
law, and encouraging you to do so. These legal eagles really
believe
that
so
long as you later have an emergency (assured in your case
Eric),
you
didn't
break any law. They are wrong, as are your priorities.
Instead
of
compounding your mistakes with their bad advice, your whole
sailing
experience would be more enjoyable and safer if you would
learn
some
simple
safe boating practices. Then you would be more likely to
prevent
the
need
for cheap radios you are not licensed or trained to use, as
well
as
understand the fallacy of advice to believe in illegal
operation
as
a
saving
grace to other inadequacies.

I recommend you take some seamanship, communications and
other
safe
boating
courses offered by the United States Power Squadrons and
United
States
Coast
Guard Auxiliary via your nearest marina or boating center.
Then
you
could
be
safely enjoying the water and able to help others do the same
instead
of
learning to break the law and operating recklessly from a
vessel
and
crew
of
uncertain capabilities. Like the 38' sloop we saw today -
watching
her
"master" try to teach his only mate, a totally inexperienced
girl,
how
to
raise the mainsail while he headed them out into 10' rollers
in
a
25kt
NE
under small craft warnings this morning. I wonder if he was
confident
that
his illegally modifed "cheap" SSB radio could have raised us.
It
would
fit
the bill.

Sincerely,

Jack Painter
USCG Auxiliary
Virginia Beach, Va

See Below.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Jack Painter" wrote in message
news:9FVnc.35337$pJ1.22538@lakeread02...

"Doug Dotson" wrote in message
...
My solution to my situation was to send an email to a friend who
then called Vessel Assist. Assistance was there 45 minutes later.
This is after trying for 2 hours to raise the CG or CGA just to be
told that they would talk to me on SSB.

Yep, that's unsat. But it would have helped to pursue it at the time, as I
think you would have received an apology and explanation at the time. I
wouldn't make the generalization that that bad experience certainly
deserved
for it's event.

What is "unsat"? I suppose I am just venting my frustration at my one
and only experience where I needed help.


A few comments below.

answered below


Doug
s/v Callista

"Jack Painter" wrote in message
news:JsTnc.35319$pJ1.1691@lakeread02...
"Doug Dotson" wrote in message
...
Hummm. Last time needed help and was out of VHF range I was
never able to raise any USCG station on marine SSB. When I did
finally get within range of a VHF CG station (very poor signal). I
asked
if I could switch to an SSB frequency for better communications. I
was
told that USCG no longer monitored Marine SSB, so it was poor
VHF or nothing. A few comments below.

Doug
s/v Callista

Doug,

I'm sorry to hear about your bad experience with USCG communications.
HF
propagation is, as you know better than most, is never a sure thing,
especially from long distance, low power, solar activity and other
interference. But we do the very best possible 24/7 to maintain the
best
HF
coverage of any agency in the world from the USCG communication
stations.

I'm aware of propagation issues. My dissapointment was when I finally
got
tenuous VHF contact with the CG and asked if there was an SSB freq I
could
contact them on, they said NO. They did not support SSB. My distance at
that time was maybe 30 miles just off the coast of Jupiter Inlet.

Covered above, but since you gave specifics I can inquire as far as
current
capability goes.


When the T/V Bow Mariner exploded and sank, they put out one Mayday on
2182
USB.

They were lucky. I tried to call the CG on 2182 when I couldn't raise
them on VHF. No answer.

Four instant replies not usually considered "luck"! I happened to be on
watch that evening.

I can't really respond to that. I supose that everyone was sleeping
at 4AM

Four USCG Groups from Newport RI to Charleston SC answered it almost
simulataneously. It has been and continues to be monitored at every
USCG
Group. CAMSLANT CHEASPEAKE (Virginia), where I work, monitors several
listed
SSB maritime band guard frequencies and will assist any mariner on
them
(We
do not monitor 2182, Groups do that). CAMSPAC PT REYES in California
does
the same for Pacific traffic. If you made a call on one of those
guarded
frequencies, and you believe your radio worked, and it was not
answered,
you
should make a report to the USCG about it.

Right, filing a report will make everything work. How about if I file a
report
about the ICW shoaling up

That is funny. But,

I never stopped writing my Congressmen when I joined the Navy, and I
haven't
stopped now. The difference is, twenty years later, now I know them all
pretty well.

And I thought Sen. Byrd was old Here in the Peoples Republic of Maryland,
our congressmen don't respond well to their constituents. That is unless
it is related to keeping Government contractors employeed or the union
vote on their side.


If a mariner cannot obtain good
copy from one of the many guarded SSB maritime channels, I sure don't
know
why the odds would be better on a circuit they are not authorized to
use
_except in an emergency_, as they would not know the times guarded,
direction or location antennas pointed, etc.

Well, if I can't raise anyone on the channels the are "guarded", then I
should just
pack it in and give up rather than try using another channel that may
be
illegal in a non-emergency situation. So if I can't get help from USCG
or
USCGA then I should just drift along.

If you are authorized to modify
a radio, I'm sure you would try that route, but it is not legal advice
to
give to the general boating public, including commercial craft to
modify
or
illegally operate SSB radios.

Now that is precious. Since when is it illegal to advise someone. It is
only illegal when someone violates the law. And as I said earlier, many
ham rigs are type accepted for marine SSB use. I have the Rules and Regs
here. Please advise me on where it says that giving advise is illegal.

Well Doug, I'm probably being a little more cautious than you are, but
some
and I'm sure you are one, would understand that even if giving advice to
commit an act that might be illegal for a large class of people "might"
not
result in prosecution of the [sic] free advice giver, it could nonetheless
get you in a lot of trouble via various civil and social remedies. If
however it was a professional paid opinion, or even free advice from a
professional who knows or should no better, to advise on accomplishing or
carrying out an illegal act may certainly be a punishable offense. Since
you
clearly know the law pretty well, and are a licensed Radio Operartor for
both Marine and Amateur, you see my point.

My point is that in an emergency, THERE ARE NO LAWS when it comes
to use of the radio when trying to obtain help. Now, there is a gray area
in exactly what constitutes an "emergency". When I was an actively flying
pilot, one could declare an emergency if they personally felt they were in
trouble. They may not have actually been in as much trouble as they may
have thought, but it is the pilot's judgement. Of course, a report had to be
filed after the fact and some amount of review was done to determine if the
declaration was valid. Very rarely was a pilot called to task. I suspect the
same sort of scheme is in place for nautical vessels as well.

As I have said before, many if not most ham rigs are now type accepted
for marine SSB use. No illegal mods, no illegal operation. Older equipment
is different, so those using older modified rigs are probably aware of the
risk (although none really exists).

Best,

Jack


Tracking down abuse from commercial fishermen
is easier than some might think, and when they operate on government
curcuits they are prosecuted.

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/marcomms/default.htm has all the
information
about maritime SSB guard frequencies and other means of communications
for
emergencies at sea.

I'll check it out.

As to why the license which is good for ten years to life, depending
on
class and type, could cost $150, that's not something we can do
anything
about, unless you think your Congressman would lobby the FCC to change
it.

It's not good for 10 years to life. It is good for 10 years period.
Although
the yearly rate is fair, the lump sum up front cost turns many off and
so
they just don't bother to get it. FCC licensing is inconsistent at best.
I
didn't
have to pay a penny to get any of my ham licenses, my GROL, or GMDSS/M,
but I have to pay for a ship's station license. Go figure.

Hope this was some help,

73's

Jack Painter
USCG Auxiliary
Virginia Beach, Va


"Jack Painter" wrote in message
news:gkDnc.34930$pJ1.10709@lakeread02...
Hi Doug,

Yes I'm aware that a licensed Amateur Radio operator can build and
modify
equipment with the proper class license.

I beleive any license class is acceptable.

We rely on your expertise and
abilities in communication emergencies. I am the Emergency
Readiness
Coordinator for the USCG Auxiliary Division 5, Port of Hampton
Roads,
Va,
and we utilize all available agencies and volunteers in an
emergency.
What
is bad practice though, is to encourage anyone to modify
communications
equipment which as you know, is permitted only under very limited
circumstances and could not therefore be acceptable for general
use
in
emergency communications. If you can't do it legally, can't test
it,
can't
tune it, and can't practice with it, you shouldn't have been
encouraged
to
consider such equipment as part of your planning for emergencies.

There are several ham rigs on the market now that are type accepted
for
marine SSB use. The mods are legal and operating them on the marine
SSB frequencies is legal. The SGC SG-2000 was the first one to be
granted type acceptance, but I'm pretty sure that several others are
now accepted.

Responsible sailors can easily get a license for SSB marine
operations

So can irresponsible sailors. If they want to encourage sailors to
get
the license, why charge $150 for it?

and
learn how to contact the USCG and other monitoring agencies,
including
commercial and volunteer watchstanders on authorized SSB marine
bands.
I
work in this field for USCG HF communications, and we are happy to
provide
assistance to boaters in this matter.

Well as I said earlier, the only time I was in an emergency
situation,
I
got
absolutely nowhere with marine SSB.

Best regards,

Jack Painter
Virginia Beach, Va


"Doug Dotson" wrote in message
...
Fortunately, ham radio is not under the same rules as marine
SSB when it comes to modifications. Type accepted marine gear
cannot
be modified but ham gear can. I can build my own rig if I want
to
and I am not violating any law unless have emmisions that are in
violation to those specified (freq, spurious radiation,
harmonics,
etc).
In other words, I can't violate the law unless I transmit.
If you look closer at the rules, all rules are suspended in an
emergency.
So transmitting on a modified rig is not illegal in an
emergency.

As far as having a cheap rig on board, that is a personal
choice.
I
have
cruised with many that don't have an SSB.

Doug (That is my real name)
s/v Callista

"Jack Painter" wrote in message
news:fgCnc.34527$pJ1.28623@lakeread02...
Gee, how do you really feel about it? Nice language. Those of
us
whose
parents were married don't talk that way. And we don't hide
behind
phony
internet ID's.

Anyone thinking about unauthorized mods to a SSB radio can
write
me
and
I
will be glad to find a local representative in your area where
you
can
have
the law explained to you in person.

"master" try to teach his only mate, a totally
inexperienced
girl,
how
to
raise the mainsail while he headed them out into 10'
rollers
in
a
25kt
NE

That's poor judgement, and good sailors have no problem
understanding
this.

Jack Painter
Virginia Beach, VA

"santacruz" wrote in message
...
I'm not normally rude to ****heads like you - but you're not
answering
his question. You must be another ****ing Bush Republican.

It is perfectly legal to modify ham radios so they can
transmit
on
marine SSB freq's in an emergency.

Go ask your Mother - she'll confirm this.

BTW - 25 knots and 10 ft seas in a 38' boat is just exciting
sailing.
We get that frequently between Long Beach and Catalina - and
it's
great fast sailing.




On Sun, 9 May 2004 01:13:45 -0400, "Jack Painter"

wrote:

"Eric" wrote in message
. com...
I am looking for an inexpensive tranceiver for my
sailboat.I
am
rapidly running out of money and need a cheap reliable
rig.I
have
just
insulated my backstay(37 feet).aAny ideas? Thanks,Eric.

Eric,

Your somewhat typical request elcited somewhat typical
replies
so
far.

Maybe it's helpful to you to get an answer to that
question,
but
I
think
you're attitude is likely to cost someone's life, probably
your
own.
If
you
really think getting a "cheap reliable rig" as you are now
"rapidly
running
out of money" is the acceptable order of things before an
offshore
excursion, you are an accident waiting to happen. Well
meaning
but
improper
advice from the group comes complete with telling you it's
easy
to
break
the
law, and encouraging you to do so. These legal eagles
really
believe
that
so
long as you later have an emergency (assured in your case
Eric),
you
didn't
break any law. They are wrong, as are your priorities.
Instead
of
compounding your mistakes with their bad advice, your whole
sailing
experience would be more enjoyable and safer if you would
learn
some
simple
safe boating practices. Then you would be more likely to
prevent
the
need
for cheap radios you are not licensed or trained to use, as
well
as
understand the fallacy of advice to believe in illegal
operation
as
a
saving
grace to other inadequacies.

I recommend you take some seamanship, communications and
other
safe
boating
courses offered by the United States Power Squadrons and
United
States
Coast
Guard Auxiliary via your nearest marina or boating center.
Then
you
could
be
safely enjoying the water and able to help others do the
same
instead
of
learning to break the law and operating recklessly from a
vessel
and
crew
of
uncertain capabilities. Like the 38' sloop we saw today -
watching
her
"master" try to teach his only mate, a totally
inexperienced
girl,
how
to
raise the mainsail while he headed them out into 10'
rollers
in
a
25kt
NE
under small craft warnings this morning. I wonder if he was
confident
that
his illegally modifed "cheap" SSB radio could have raised
us.
It
would
fit
the bill.

Sincerely,

Jack Painter
USCG Auxiliary
Virginia Beach, Va

"Doug Dotson" wrote in message
...

My solution to my situation was to send an email to a friend who
then called Vessel Assist. Assistance was there 45 minutes later.
This is after trying for 2 hours to raise the CG or CGA just to be
told that they would talk to me on SSB.

Yep, that's unsat. But it would have helped to pursue it at the time, as
I
think you would have received an apology and explanation at the time. I
wouldn't make the generalization that that bad experience certainly
deserved
for it's event.

What is "unsat"? I suppose I am just venting my frustration at my one
and only experience where I needed help.

Sorry, it means "Unsatisifactory" (performance).

My point is that in an emergency, THERE ARE NO LAWS when it comes
to use of the radio when trying to obtain help. Now, there is a gray area
in exactly what constitutes an "emergency". When I was an actively flying
pilot, one could declare an emergency if they personally felt they were in
trouble. They may not have actually been in as much trouble as they may
have thought, but it is the pilot's judgement. Of course, a report had to
be
filed after the fact and some amount of review was done to determine if
the
declaration was valid. Very rarely was a pilot called to task. I suspect
the
same sort of scheme is in place for nautical vessels as well.

Doug, we never disagreed there in the least. My comments were about an act
related to the preplanning for an emergency that does not exist at the time.

Best,

Jack

"Doug Dotson" wrote in message
...
Yep, that's unsat. But it would have helped to pursue it at the time, as
I
think you would have received an apology and explanation at the time. I
wouldn't make the generalization that that bad experience certainly
deserved
for it's event.

What is "unsat"? I suppose I am just venting my frustration at my one
and only experience where I needed help.

Sorry, unsat = Unstatisfactory (performance).

My point is that in an emergency, THERE ARE NO LAWS when it comes
to use of the radio when trying to obtain help. Now, there is a gray area
in exactly what constitutes an "emergency". When I was an actively flying
pilot, one could declare an emergency if they personally felt they were in
trouble. They may not have actually been in as much trouble as they may
have thought, but it is the pilot's judgement. Of course, a report had to
be
filed after the fact and some amount of review was done to determine if
the
declaration was valid. Very rarely was a pilot called to task. I suspect
the
same sort of scheme is in place for nautical vessels as well.

Doug, we never disagreed on that at all. My comments were about the an act
that involved presumption of a future, non-existent emergency.

Best,

Jack

Doug, we never disagreed on that at all. My comments were about the an act
that involved presumption of a future, non-existent emergency.

You have really lost me now. I prefer to base my plans on a future
possability of a very real emergency.

I am very glad I am a ham. The safety it affords me is far greater than
any provided by the CG or CGA with regard to contacting someone to
dispatch help. Once the CG is contacted then their assistence is some
of the best in the world. Close to shore, the towing services are excellent.
In my case, I sent an email via Winlink to a station in Dallas, that message
was forwarded to my friend in Baltimore who called Vessel Assist. 30
minutes later I was contacted on VHF that they were in-transit, 15 or 30
minutes later they were there. That's hard to beat.

Best,

Jack

On Sun, 9 May 2004 01:13:45 -0400, Jack Painter snip...
Maybe it's helpful to you to get an answer to that question, but I
think you're attitude is likely to cost someone's life, probably your
own. If you really think getting a "cheap reliable rig" as you are
now "rapidly runningsnippppppp
Sincerely,
Jack Painter USCG Auxiliary Virginia Beach, Va

and from the well meaning but well worn "pay more feel better" crowd we
have heard..up with which we shall not put, Just remember Eric...not
everybody even has a long distance radio and people have gone around with
less equipment and more knowledge yrs ago and even today. Oftimes the
'newer bester equipment' crowd attempts to make up for sound knowledge
with more gear. We know all about the Mercedes Volvo and top heavy SUV
moms blasting down the road with 'safe' vehicles and not a clue about
skid control ...my analogue is apt.......to get me flamed
Rick