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Bruce in alaska wrote:

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Larry wrote:

"Steve Lusardi" wrote in
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Larry,
This database is at 4 least years outdated. The Simrad model that has
the approval has been out of production for at least 4 years. My AIS ,
bought in the US, is at least 2 generations newer. Manufactured in
2007. Steve



Therein lies the big legal problem. The government bureaucrats are so far
behind the technology THEY are still posting 4-year-old data as VALID.
Panbo's website is much better up to date for millions less dollars.

I don't understand why CG and FCC can't get their act together on marine
comms/AIS/GMDSS. It all seems as if they are just baffled by anything but
the basic narrow-band FM transceivers. The local staff just looks
dumbfounded if you ask any of them, here.

Ok, Larry, I have an Inquiry in with the Maritime Rules Chief at the
FCC, but he is on vacation, till the middle of August, so I have another
Inquiry with his Stand-in, who should get back to me, in the next day or
two.... and I will get the definitive answer, for Licensing, for both
Vessel and Operator, for both classes of AIS Transponders.....

Followup.... well the guy called "Me" back, Twice now, but I was out of
the cabin both times, so we are exchanging Phone Messages.... I did learn
that "AIS is licensed to the vessel, on it's "Radio License", as
"Transponder", and therefor can NOT be fitted on a vessel that does NOT
have a valid Ship Station License". So if you want to have AIS, you MUST
license your vessel, and receive a Ship Station License.... No Blanket
Licensing allowed... I suspect, but have yet to get a firm conformation,
that AIS, as a Transponder, doesn't REQUIRE an Operators Permit or
License, as once it is programmed with the vessels IDent, Callsign, Etc,
it then just repeats that information, in a FIXED and Defined format,
therefore wouldn't need Operator Intervention, and therefor doesn't
require a Licensed Operator, like an MF/HF Radio would.

Another note, Here, it is NOT DSC, that REQUIRES a GMDSS Operators
License, It is the operation of an MF/HF Transmitter, that Requires an
Operators permit of some kind. The Class of that License or Permit will
be different for each type of vessel. Where Passenger Ships in the
telegraph days REQUIRED a 1st Class Radiotelegraph License to be Chief
Radio Operator, but a Cargo Vessel of the same size only REQUIRED a 2nd
Class Radiotelegraph License, and a smaller (300 - 1600 Ton) vessel only
REQUIRED a Marine RadioTelephone License, as they had NO Telegraph
Radio's fitted, and smaller than that (under 300 Tons) you just needed
your Lifetime Restricted RadioTelephone Permit.... I believe that the
Commission is still of the same opinion, that VHF/Radar use on vessels
that NEVER leave US Waters, can be exempted from Licensing, but if a
vessel leaves US Waters, it MUST comply with International Conventions
that REQUIRE a Ship Station License issued by the Country of FLAG. If
the Radio Station is likely to have transmitters that can effect, and
communicate with International Communications, it is REQUIRED by those
same Conventions, to be operated by a Licensed Operator who has the
appropriate Class of License, for that vessel, as determined by the
Country of Flag.

It is more about distance of communications, and effectiveness of any
unintentional interference that a Station operated by a non-Licensed
Operator could cause, and less about the information being conveyed.

Bruce in alaska

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