wrote:
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:03:06 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:01:09 -0500, wrote:

Other than instruments, VHF, and a DVD movie here and there on a
little player, I don't really use any power, so a pretty small solar
panel, coupled with limited amounts of motor sailing usually leaves me
with a surplus.
Running a god sized chart plotter and radar underway can use as much
as 20 to 30 amps of 12 volt power. I stand by my original statement
that outboards are not suitable for serious cruising.

Another gross exaggeration to try and support an unsupportable
premise.

I HAVE a chartplotter and a radar on my sailboat. There is no setting
I could use on them that would come even remotely close to drawing 20
to 30 amps.

See my post Salty, he means amp-hours,,, it's like if I asked you what
kind of gas milage you got on the highway and you said "Oh about 23
gallons".


Cheers
Martin

On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:00:31 -0500, Marty wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:03:06 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:01:09 -0500, wrote:

Other than instruments, VHF, and a DVD movie here and there on a
little player, I don't really use any power, so a pretty small solar
panel, coupled with limited amounts of motor sailing usually leaves me
with a surplus.
Running a god sized chart plotter and radar underway can use as much
as 20 to 30 amps of 12 volt power. I stand by my original statement
that outboards are not suitable for serious cruising.

Another gross exaggeration to try and support an unsupportable
premise.

I HAVE a chartplotter and a radar on my sailboat. There is no setting
I could use on them that would come even remotely close to drawing 20
to 30 amps.

See my post Salty, he means amp-hours,,, it's like if I asked you what
kind of gas milage you got on the highway and you said "Oh about 23
gallons".


Cheers
Martin

Amp hours per what time period? His assertions are wild and without
merit. I rarely leave my RADAR in transmit mode full time unless
warranted by the conditions and situation. It spends a lot of time in
standby, and when in transmit, It's usually not cranked up very much.
As long as I can see what's within a mile or two or three of me, I'm
fine. If I'm anywhere near the routes of a high speed ferry, I need to
see farther. That's not often. I may not use 30 amp hours in a WEEK
(or more) of sailing. My outboard and solar panel have no problem
staying ahead of what I use, so Wayne's argument is just plain silly.
In fact, I have to monitor things carefully and turn on interior
lights to bleed off the surplus, so I don't overcharge the batteries
when motorsailing with the outboard running - even at low speeds.

wrote:
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:00:31 -0500, Marty wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:03:06 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:01:09 -0500, wrote:

Other than instruments, VHF, and a DVD movie here and there on a
little player, I don't really use any power, so a pretty small solar
panel, coupled with limited amounts of motor sailing usually leaves me
with a surplus.
Running a god sized chart plotter and radar underway can use as much
as 20 to 30 amps of 12 volt power. I stand by my original statement
that outboards are not suitable for serious cruising.
Another gross exaggeration to try and support an unsupportable
premise.

I HAVE a chartplotter and a radar on my sailboat. There is no setting
I could use on them that would come even remotely close to drawing 20
to 30 amps.
See my post Salty, he means amp-hours,,, it's like if I asked you what
kind of gas milage you got on the highway and you said "Oh about 23
gallons".


Cheers
Martin

Amp hours per what time period?

Damn, guilty as charged. Amp hours per day.... gr

As I said, my modest solar panels do pretty much everything. Mind you
the alternator on my Volvo is rated at 130A or so,, cranks out 35A at
idle... but that's just what came with it.

Cheers
Martin

Cheers
Martin

On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:30:06 -0500, wrote:

In fact, I have to monitor things carefully and turn on interior
lights to bleed off the surplus, so I don't overcharge the batteries
when motorsailing with the outboard running - even at low speeds.

Voltage regulator? Evidently the one you have is not smart enough.

Casady

On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:16:11 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:06:34 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote:

On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:30:06 -0500, wrote:

In fact, I have to monitor things carefully and turn on interior
lights to bleed off the surplus, so I don't overcharge the batteries
when motorsailing with the outboard running - even at low speeds.

Voltage regulator? Evidently the one you have is not smart enough.

Casady

Oh course it's not, Dummy. It's a small outboard motor charging
system. They are primitive. If I wanted to add more complexity to it,
I could add an external regulator. I don't feel the need for that,
anymore than I need a regulator to adjust the mainsail trim by itself.

I don't recall any battery problems with the old electromechanical
ones. Those were huge, of course. If you have to adjust the load to
suit the regulator, it isn't worthy of the name. These days smart
costs next to nothing, and takes up next to no space. No excuse for
primitive, when it doesn't work. You can supervise an alternator, if
you like: some are busy driving the boat. or whatever.

Casady

On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:30:06 -0500, wrote:

Amp hours per what time period? His assertions are wild and without
merit. I rarely leave my RADAR in transmit mode full time unless
warranted by the conditions and situation.

20 to 30 amps is the average usage of the electrical and electronic
equipment on my boat use which is probably representative of well
equipped long range cruisers whether they be sail or power. I agree
that on a boat of your size, doing local cruising, power demand is no
doubt much lower. Obviously your power is adequate for your boat - no
problem with that. My original assertion was that most outboards
offer limited battery charging capability. As a rule that is a true
statement but yours may be different.

You probably know this already but per the COLREGS boats equipped with
radar are supposed to use it:

Rule 7

Risk of Collision

(b) Proper use shall be made of radar equipment if fitted and
operational, including long-range scanning to obtain early warning of
risk of collision and radar plotting or equivalent systematic
observation of detected objects.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
You probably know this already but per the COLREGS boats equipped with
radar are supposed to use it:

Rule 7

Risk of Collision

(b) Proper use shall be made of radar equipment if fitted and
operational, including long-range scanning to obtain early warning of
risk of collision and radar plotting or equivalent systematic
observation of detected objects.


'Proper use' does not compel you to have your radar going at all times.

"Edgar" wrote in message
...

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
You probably know this already but per the COLREGS boats equipped with
radar are supposed to use it:

Rule 7

Risk of Collision

(b) Proper use shall be made of radar equipment if fitted and
operational, including long-range scanning to obtain early warning of
risk of collision and radar plotting or equivalent systematic
observation of detected objects.


'Proper use' does not compel you to have your radar going at all times.



Correct. It would be a matter of trade-offs between say running the
batteries into the ground vs. keeping watch at critical times. Of course,
the Admiralty Court would determine this after the fact.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Edgar" wrote in message
...

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
You probably know this already but per the COLREGS boats equipped with
radar are supposed to use it:

Rule 7

Risk of Collision

(b) Proper use shall be made of radar equipment if fitted and
operational, including long-range scanning to obtain early warning of
risk of collision and radar plotting or equivalent systematic
observation of detected objects.


'Proper use' does not compel you to have your radar going at all times.


Wrong! Look at the way the sentence is written. What it's really saying is
this: (b) Proper use shall be made of radar equipment if fitted and
operational. Proper use includes long-range scanning to obtain early warning
of risk of collision and radar plotting or equivalent systematic observation
of detected objects.

Now, I ask you, how is one to do long range scanning, radar plotting or
equivalent systematic observation of detected objects if the system is
switched off? The answer is you cannot, therefore you are in violation of
the rule.

No, it is cleat that if radar is installed and operational it must be used
for the above when underway.

Wilbur Hubbard

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...

'Proper use' does not compel you to have your radar going at all times.


Wrong! Look at the way the sentence is written. What it's really saying
is this: (b) Proper use shall be made of radar equipment if fitted and
operational. Proper use includes long-range scanning to obtain early
warning of risk of collision and radar plotting or equivalent systematic
observation of detected objects.

Now, I ask you, how is one to do long range scanning, radar plotting or
equivalent systematic observation of detected objects if the system is
switched off? The answer is you cannot, therefore you are in violation of
the rule.

No, it is cleat that if radar is installed and operational it must be used
for the above when underway.

Wilbur Hubbard



I disagree. It depends on circumstances, and you have the right to make a
choice.
If you are in a yacht going 4-6 knots with several miles visibility it is
pointless to keep on long range scanning.
If you are in a VLCC with six miles stopping distance it is quite a
different ball game.
But Jon is quite correct in his post.in that if you get it wrong it is not
going to look too good in court