On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:22:34 -0800 (PST), "Capt.Bill"
wrote:

On Nov 12, 12:18*pm, Capt John wrote:

snip

Another point, those 2 micron filters on your Racor, check with your
engine manufacturer, I've never heard of one reccomending more than a
30 micron filter as the promary. Using more restrictive filters can
cause problems with your supply pump, or, even worse, cause the engine
to run lean. That will cause the engine to run hot and, over the long
run, cause all kinds of other problems.- Hide quoted text -



As I recall, if you check with Racor I think you'll find the 2, 10 and
30 micron filters have the same flow rating. And for the most part we
are talking low power, low flow rate engines here. So it's really a
non-issue.

FWIW I've been running 2 micron Racors on Lehman 120s and 135s, as
well as other brands, for decades with no problems of any kind.

The workable flow rate can't be a secret from the manufacturer. So
ask.

Casady

On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:01:09 -0500, wrote:

Other than instruments, VHF, and a DVD movie here and there on a
little player, I don't really use any power, so a pretty small solar
panel, coupled with limited amounts of motor sailing usually leaves me
with a surplus.

Running a god sized chart plotter and radar underway can use as much
as 20 to 30 amps of 12 volt power. I stand by my original statement
that outboards are not suitable for serious cruising.

On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:03:06 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:01:09 -0500, wrote:

Other than instruments, VHF, and a DVD movie here and there on a
little player, I don't really use any power, so a pretty small solar
panel, coupled with limited amounts of motor sailing usually leaves me
with a surplus.

Running a god sized chart plotter and radar underway can use as much
as 20 to 30 amps of 12 volt power. I stand by my original statement
that outboards are not suitable for serious cruising.

Make that "good sized chart plotter" although god sized probably uses
power also.

wrote
The truth is that both diesel inboards and gasoline
outboards have both advantages and disadvantages.

For example, I don't worry much about condensation in my gas tank during the
off season...
http://blizzard.zmm.com/g20/outboard.jpg

In article ,
"Roger Long" wrote:

Bruce in alaska wrote:

I've run Diesel from 55USG Drums filled during WWII, with no problem,
whatsoever. This stuff is over 50 years old, and makes power in my
Gensets, just spiffy.....

Interesting. Were those drums sealed all these years? I wonder if WWII
diesel (different stuff than we have today) sealed into drums with the
intention that it would be stored for a long time would give the same
results as modern diesel that's been sitting in 3/4 to 1/2 full drums in the
sun for a few weeks.

My original comment about drums was really just shorthand for the reports
I've received about poor fuel quality up in Newfoundland where the fishing
restrictions have slowed sales to the point that stuff which is a long way
down the supply chain anyway gets pretty funky. There were a few problems
here in Maine this summer simply because the long hoses at some marinas
would grow stuff when no one came along for days to buy due to the high
prices earlier in the summer.

Sealed Drums, filled in 1944 by the US Navy. Straight #2 Diesel, no
addatives or other crap. My Tank Farm has 250K USG of Diesel #2, and 15K
USG of Diesel #1 in it, and after a winter, we get less than 40 USG of
water out of ALL 20 Tanks. Never had to treat ANY of the Diesel with
Biocide, since we switched to receiving our fuel in 6000 USG
Over-the-Road Tanks on a Freight Barge, rather than from the Fuel Barge
with Sea Water Ballasting, and that was 20 years ago. I still keep a few
of those Navy Surplus Drums of fuel around for emergencies, as it is
KNOWN GOOD Fuel. RaCor filters are a wondrous thing, I use them
exclusively, both for the Winter and Summer Powerhouses, as well as on
the lines to the Fuel Dock. Never had a problem with ANY of the Diesel
Fuel System. Now the Gasoline Stuff is a TOTALLY Different deal......

--
Bruce in alaska
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:38:07 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote:

On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:22:34 -0800 (PST), "Capt.Bill"
wrote:

On Nov 12, 12:18Â*pm, Capt John wrote:

snip

Another point, those 2 micron filters on your Racor, check with your
engine manufacturer, I've never heard of one reccomending more than a
30 micron filter as the promary. Using more restrictive filters can
cause problems with your supply pump, or, even worse, cause the engine
to run lean. That will cause the engine to run hot and, over the long
run, cause all kinds of other problems.- Hide quoted text -



As I recall, if you check with Racor I think you'll find the 2, 10 and
30 micron filters have the same flow rating. And for the most part we
are talking low power, low flow rate engines here. So it's really a
non-issue.

FWIW I've been running 2 micron Racors on Lehman 120s and 135s, as
well as other brands, for decades with no problems of any kind.

The workable flow rate can't be a secret from the manufacturer. So
ask.

Casady

The Racor filter unit number, i.e., "120" or "135" is the flow rate in
GPH. Changing the filter element from 30 M to 2 M has no effect on the
flow rate.... so say the manufacturers.
Cheers,

Bruce
(bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:01:09 -0500, wrote:

Other than instruments, VHF, and a DVD movie here and there on a
little player, I don't really use any power, so a pretty small solar
panel, coupled with limited amounts of motor sailing usually leaves me
with a surplus.

Running a god sized chart plotter and radar underway can use as much
as 20 to 30 amps of 12 volt power. I stand by my original statement
that outboards are not suitable for serious cruising.


Damn, why can't people say amp-hours when the mean amp hours?

I run a lap top, with an auxiliary screen in the companionway, and yes,
it consumes about 30 amp-hours a day,,, I also have 40 watts of solar
panels that generated about the same per day. When the computer is off,
like at anchor I get ahead, (other electronics are running and I fall
behind when sailing continuously, but I have enough battery capacity to
go several days before it becomes an issue)

Cheers
Martin

wrote:
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:03:06 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:01:09 -0500, wrote:

Other than instruments, VHF, and a DVD movie here and there on a
little player, I don't really use any power, so a pretty small solar
panel, coupled with limited amounts of motor sailing usually leaves me
with a surplus.
Running a god sized chart plotter and radar underway can use as much
as 20 to 30 amps of 12 volt power. I stand by my original statement
that outboards are not suitable for serious cruising.

Another gross exaggeration to try and support an unsupportable
premise.

I HAVE a chartplotter and a radar on my sailboat. There is no setting
I could use on them that would come even remotely close to drawing 20
to 30 amps.

See my post Salty, he means amp-hours,,, it's like if I asked you what
kind of gas milage you got on the highway and you said "Oh about 23
gallons".


Cheers
Martin

On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:00:31 -0500, Marty wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:03:06 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:01:09 -0500, wrote:

Other than instruments, VHF, and a DVD movie here and there on a
little player, I don't really use any power, so a pretty small solar
panel, coupled with limited amounts of motor sailing usually leaves me
with a surplus.
Running a god sized chart plotter and radar underway can use as much
as 20 to 30 amps of 12 volt power. I stand by my original statement
that outboards are not suitable for serious cruising.

Another gross exaggeration to try and support an unsupportable
premise.

I HAVE a chartplotter and a radar on my sailboat. There is no setting
I could use on them that would come even remotely close to drawing 20
to 30 amps.

See my post Salty, he means amp-hours,,, it's like if I asked you what
kind of gas milage you got on the highway and you said "Oh about 23
gallons".


Cheers
Martin

Amp hours per what time period? His assertions are wild and without
merit. I rarely leave my RADAR in transmit mode full time unless
warranted by the conditions and situation. It spends a lot of time in
standby, and when in transmit, It's usually not cranked up very much.
As long as I can see what's within a mile or two or three of me, I'm
fine. If I'm anywhere near the routes of a high speed ferry, I need to
see farther. That's not often. I may not use 30 amp hours in a WEEK
(or more) of sailing. My outboard and solar panel have no problem
staying ahead of what I use, so Wayne's argument is just plain silly.
In fact, I have to monitor things carefully and turn on interior
lights to bleed off the surplus, so I don't overcharge the batteries
when motorsailing with the outboard running - even at low speeds.

wrote:
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:00:31 -0500, Marty wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:03:06 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:01:09 -0500, wrote:

Other than instruments, VHF, and a DVD movie here and there on a
little player, I don't really use any power, so a pretty small solar
panel, coupled with limited amounts of motor sailing usually leaves me
with a surplus.
Running a god sized chart plotter and radar underway can use as much
as 20 to 30 amps of 12 volt power. I stand by my original statement
that outboards are not suitable for serious cruising.
Another gross exaggeration to try and support an unsupportable
premise.

I HAVE a chartplotter and a radar on my sailboat. There is no setting
I could use on them that would come even remotely close to drawing 20
to 30 amps.
See my post Salty, he means amp-hours,,, it's like if I asked you what
kind of gas milage you got on the highway and you said "Oh about 23
gallons".


Cheers
Martin

Amp hours per what time period?

Damn, guilty as charged. Amp hours per day.... gr

As I said, my modest solar panels do pretty much everything. Mind you
the alternator on my Volvo is rated at 130A or so,, cranks out 35A at
idle... but that's just what came with it.

Cheers
Martin

Cheers
Martin