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Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 18:54:41 -0400, Marty wrote: I put Skip's numbers in for a 12 hour period and got 60nm, not to bad at all, 120 mile days are nothing to be sneered at. I agree. It's a big heavy cruising boat that is not exactly over rigged, and they have been in light to moderate winds for the most part. I'm pulling for Skip, a few thought he was nuts for attempting this in one leg and warned of dire consequences rounding Cape Hatteras. So far it looks great, except for a chance of getting rained on going into Miami. Cheers Martin |
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On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:02:17 -0400, Marty wrote:
I'm pulling for Skip, a few thought he was nuts for attempting this in one leg and warned of dire consequences rounding Cape Hatteras. So far it looks great, except for a chance of getting rained on going into Miami. Yes but there were, and still are, some risks: The Gulf Stream off Cape Hatteras is notorious for unforecasted squalls and steep squirrelly seas due to the shoaling water, strong currents and convergant weather systems. They lucked out on that one. I know quite a few very experienced, knowledgeable people who will not go outside Hatteras if they have a choice. I also know a few who swear they will never do it again. One is a friend of mine who had a 56 ft ketch and broke a rudder out there in a storm some years ago. He had to be towed several hundred miles into Norfolk in very gnarly conditions. The next issue in my mind is that they are pushing the limits of mental and physical endurance after many days of round the clock sailing and watch standing. Lots of other people have done that sort of thing successfully, but they are not kids anymore, and the boat is big enough to be a handful if conditions deteriorate or gear starts failing. Last but not least they are heading into southern waters with another 3 weeks to go on the hurricane season. Fortunately storm formation is in a lull and will quite likely continue that way with any luck. I'm reminded of the saying that airplane pilots have: "There are old pilots, and there are bold pilots, but there are no old bold pilots." |
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"Wayne.B" wrote
Yes but there were, and still are, some risks: I had dinner last night with the research vessel captain & mate who have about 50 years experience in the waters of Chesapeak Bay and offshore around the capes. I told them what S&L are up to and they said "They've got more courage than we do. I hope they don't make a habit of it." I'm reminded of the saying that airplane pilots have: "There are old pilots, and there are bold pilots, but there are no old bold pilots." The much discussed corollary to that is that taking weather risks and getting away with it tends to effect future judgement. They pulled this off but I too hope they don't make a habit of it. If someone with years of experience had done it, I would be thinking, "Good weather call." but it looks different for a second offshore passage. Roger |
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Roger Long wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote Yes but there were, and still are, some risks: I had dinner last night with the research vessel captain & mate who have about 50 years experience in the waters of Chesapeak Bay and offshore around the capes. I told them what S&L are up to and they said "They've got more courage than we do. I hope they don't make a habit of it." I'm reminded of the saying that airplane pilots have: "There are old pilots, and there are bold pilots, but there are no old bold pilots." The much discussed corollary to that is that taking weather risks and getting away with it tends to effect future judgement. They pulled this off but I too hope they don't make a habit of it. If someone with years of experience had done it, I would be thinking, "Good weather call." but it looks different for a second offshore passage. Roger Don't forget they are using a professional weather router to guide and advise them. Gordon |
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Gordon wrote:
Roger Long wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote Yes but there were, and still are, some risks: I had dinner last night with the research vessel captain & mate who have about 50 years experience in the waters of Chesapeak Bay and offshore around the capes. I told them what S&L are up to and they said "They've got more courage than we do. I hope they don't make a habit of it." I'm reminded of the saying that airplane pilots have: "There are old pilots, and there are bold pilots, but there are no old bold pilots." The much discussed corollary to that is that taking weather risks and getting away with it tends to effect future judgement. They pulled this off but I too hope they don't make a habit of it. If someone with years of experience had done it, I would be thinking, "Good weather call." but it looks different for a second offshore passage. Roger Don't forget they are using a professional weather router to guide and advise them. Gordon Well, it looks like they are going to duck into Charleston and wait out the nasty stuff slated for Miami. Maybe they/re getting tired? Cheers Martin |
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On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 06:37:49 -0400, "Roger Long"
wrote: If someone with years of experience had done it, I would be thinking, "Good weather call." but it looks different for a second offshore passage. There are places along the beaches of the Outer Banks where you can look out from the sand and see the wreakage of rather large boats that got it wrong for one reason or another. |
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On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 12:00:58 -0400, Martin Baxter
wrote: Well, it looks like they are going to duck into Charleston and wait out the nasty stuff slated for Miami. Maybe they/re getting tired? That, and their cat (Portia) got sea sick and peed all over everything. Cute cat, bad behavior. It would be a good call though. Four straight days of good weather is about all you can hope for this time of year. |
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On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 12:28:37 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 12:00:58 -0400, Martin Baxter wrote: Well, it looks like they are going to duck into Charleston and wait out the nasty stuff slated for Miami. Maybe they/re getting tired? That, and their cat (Portia) got sea sick and peed all over everything. I would do the same with those two. Cute cat, bad behavior. It would be a good call though. Four straight days of good weather is about all you can hope for this time of year. |
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"Gordon" wrote
Don't forget they are using a professional weather router to guide and advise them. Yes, but the professional oceanographic vessel officers I was talking to get pretty good info as well. -- Roger Long |
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On 2008-10-06 06:37:49 -0400, "Roger Long" said:
"Wayne.B" wrote Yes but there were, and still are, some risks: I had dinner last night with the research vessel captain & mate who have about 50 years experience in the waters of Chesapeake Bay and offshore around the capes. I told them what S&L are up to and they said "They've got more courage than we do. I hope they don't make a habit of it." I'm reminded of the saying that airplane pilots have: "There are old pilots, and there are bold pilots, but there are no old bold pilots." The much discussed corollary to that is that taking weather risks and getting away with it tends to affect future judgement. They pulled this off but I too hope they don't make a habit of it. If someone with years of experience had done it, I would be thinking, "Good weather call." but it looks different for a second offshore passage. As one who counseled them that Hattaras could blow up unpredictably in any given hour, particularly this time of year, I have to say it seems they're taking appropriate actions and precautions, are using every available input. They're staying enough clear that they could heave to for many hours, seem to think it might be a nice change. They motor-sailed for 50+ hours to take advantage of the existing conditions vs what was predicted to be on the horizon. They're now obviously heading towards Charleston to ride out expected nastiness -- and probably to take on a bit more fuel. -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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