OK but if stray voltage entered the ground and was causing problems
for my boat or others through the shore power connections would that
not show up in my outlets on the boat. I don't have isolators as of
yet. All the tests I have run on my power cord (new) and my 110
outlets show nothing out of the ordinary. Chuck


Brian Whatcott wrote in message . ..
Here's one scenario.
The shore power distribution hardware carries a live 115 volt AC line,
a neutral line and a ground line.

As likely as not, the ground line is connected physically to the
neutral line at some closeby point. (For ALL slips)

Or if not, some misguided owner may connect his neutral lead to ground
return, with much the same effect.

This notional ground may have several volts imposed on it by the
voltage drop in the neutral return.
If you carry the ground on board to a through hull, this potential can
drive a current to the ACTUAL ground (below the water)

Brian W

On 21 Apr 2004 16:49:29 -0700, (Chuck Baier)
wrote:

Thanks for the input from everyone. One thing that is puzzling here.
Each slip is a separate home run to a meter. None of the slips are
interconnected. Each is independent. If this is the case leakage from
other bots on the ground shouldn't affect my zincs. We are looking for
a source that is outside the AC connections. At least that is what I
beleive.


"geneb321" wrote in message ...
There is an excellent article on testing for grounding problems between
shore power and boat at: http://www.yandina.com/electrolysis.htm
Gene
SV Sea Gypsy

"Chuck Baier" wrote in message
om...
Our marina has a problem at some slips with stray current. Some of the
boats are loosing zincs at a fast rate while others are not. Looking
for some help in trying to resolve this and what kind of equipment
will I need. Thanks. Chuck

How would you know if the boat power outlet grounds were floating 0.6
volts away from "real actual" ground potential? That's all it would
take.

Off the top: if you had a metallic anchor pathway, checking the volts
between that and a power line ground might be interesting.

Brian W



On 22 Apr 2004 15:09:22 -0700, (Chuck Baier)
wrote:

OK but if stray voltage entered the ground and was causing problems
for my boat or others through the shore power connections would that
not show up in my outlets on the boat. I don't have isolators as of
yet. All the tests I have run on my power cord (new) and my 110
outlets show nothing out of the ordinary. Chuck


Brian Whatcott wrote in message . ..
Here's one scenario.
The shore power distribution hardware carries a live 115 volt AC line,
a neutral line and a ground line.

As likely as not, the ground line is connected physically to the
neutral line at some closeby point. (For ALL slips)

Or if not, some misguided owner may connect his neutral lead to ground
return, with much the same effect.

This notional ground may have several volts imposed on it by the
voltage drop in the neutral return.
If you carry the ground on board to a through hull, this potential can
drive a current to the ACTUAL ground (below the water)

Brian W

On 21 Apr 2004 16:49:29 -0700, (Chuck Baier)
wrote:

Thanks for the input from everyone. One thing that is puzzling here.
Each slip is a separate home run to a meter. None of the slips are
interconnected. Each is independent. If this is the case leakage from
other bots on the ground shouldn't affect my zincs. We are looking for
a source that is outside the AC connections. At least that is what I
beleive.


"geneb321" wrote in message ...
There is an excellent article on testing for grounding problems between
shore power and boat at: http://www.yandina.com/electrolysis.htm
Gene
SV Sea Gypsy

"Chuck Baier" wrote in message
om...
Our marina has a problem at some slips with stray current. Some of the
boats are loosing zincs at a fast rate while others are not. Looking
for some help in trying to resolve this and what kind of equipment
will I need. Thanks. Chuck

How would you know if the boat power outlet grounds were floating 0.6
volts away from "real actual" ground potential? That's all it would
take.

Off the top: if you had a metallic anchor pathway, checking the volts
between that and a power line ground might be interesting.

Brian W



On 22 Apr 2004 15:09:22 -0700, (Chuck Baier)
wrote:

OK but if stray voltage entered the ground and was causing problems
for my boat or others through the shore power connections would that
not show up in my outlets on the boat. I don't have isolators as of
yet. All the tests I have run on my power cord (new) and my 110
outlets show nothing out of the ordinary. Chuck


Brian Whatcott wrote in message . ..
Here's one scenario.
The shore power distribution hardware carries a live 115 volt AC line,
a neutral line and a ground line.

As likely as not, the ground line is connected physically to the
neutral line at some closeby point. (For ALL slips)

Or if not, some misguided owner may connect his neutral lead to ground
return, with much the same effect.

This notional ground may have several volts imposed on it by the
voltage drop in the neutral return.
If you carry the ground on board to a through hull, this potential can
drive a current to the ACTUAL ground (below the water)

Brian W

On 21 Apr 2004 16:49:29 -0700, (Chuck Baier)
wrote:

Thanks for the input from everyone. One thing that is puzzling here.
Each slip is a separate home run to a meter. None of the slips are
interconnected. Each is independent. If this is the case leakage from
other bots on the ground shouldn't affect my zincs. We are looking for
a source that is outside the AC connections. At least that is what I
beleive.


"geneb321" wrote in message ...
There is an excellent article on testing for grounding problems between
shore power and boat at: http://www.yandina.com/electrolysis.htm
Gene
SV Sea Gypsy

"Chuck Baier" wrote in message
om...
Our marina has a problem at some slips with stray current. Some of the
boats are loosing zincs at a fast rate while others are not. Looking
for some help in trying to resolve this and what kind of equipment
will I need. Thanks. Chuck

The easiest way to check for stray voltage is to disconnect your shore
power cord and connect a milliameter between the shore power ground
pin and the boats ground pin of the connector. If you get more than a
few milliamps DC current you have problems. If you check the voltage
between those two points it will probably be below .5 volts. But that
is still enough to cause current to flow.

An isolator has two back to back diodes in it and will not allow
current to flow when the DC voltage difference is below around .6
volts. That effectively breaks your ground connection for the low DC
current that causes the problems.

Regards
Gary


On 22 Apr 2004 15:09:22 -0700, (Chuck Baier)
wrote:

OK but if stray voltage entered the ground and was causing problems
for my boat or others through the shore power connections would that
not show up in my outlets on the boat. I don't have isolators as of
yet. All the tests I have run on my power cord (new) and my 110
outlets show nothing out of the ordinary. Chuck


Brian Whatcott wrote in message . ..
Here's one scenario.
The shore power distribution hardware carries a live 115 volt AC line,
a neutral line and a ground line.

As likely as not, the ground line is connected physically to the
neutral line at some closeby point. (For ALL slips)

Or if not, some misguided owner may connect his neutral lead to ground
return, with much the same effect.

This notional ground may have several volts imposed on it by the
voltage drop in the neutral return.
If you carry the ground on board to a through hull, this potential can
drive a current to the ACTUAL ground (below the water)

Brian W

On 21 Apr 2004 16:49:29 -0700, (Chuck Baier)
wrote:

Thanks for the input from everyone. One thing that is puzzling here.
Each slip is a separate home run to a meter. None of the slips are
interconnected. Each is independent. If this is the case leakage from
other bots on the ground shouldn't affect my zincs. We are looking for
a source that is outside the AC connections. At least that is what I
beleive.


"geneb321" wrote in message ...
There is an excellent article on testing for grounding problems between
shore power and boat at: http://www.yandina.com/electrolysis.htm
Gene
SV Sea Gypsy

"Chuck Baier" wrote in message
om...
Our marina has a problem at some slips with stray current. Some of the
boats are loosing zincs at a fast rate while others are not. Looking
for some help in trying to resolve this and what kind of equipment
will I need. Thanks. Chuck

The easiest way to check for stray voltage is to disconnect your shore
power cord and connect a milliameter between the shore power ground
pin and the boats ground pin of the connector. If you get more than a
few milliamps DC current you have problems. If you check the voltage
between those two points it will probably be below .5 volts. But that
is still enough to cause current to flow.

An isolator has two back to back diodes in it and will not allow
current to flow when the DC voltage difference is below around .6
volts. That effectively breaks your ground connection for the low DC
current that causes the problems.

Regards
Gary


On 22 Apr 2004 15:09:22 -0700, (Chuck Baier)
wrote:

OK but if stray voltage entered the ground and was causing problems
for my boat or others through the shore power connections would that
not show up in my outlets on the boat. I don't have isolators as of
yet. All the tests I have run on my power cord (new) and my 110
outlets show nothing out of the ordinary. Chuck


Brian Whatcott wrote in message . ..
Here's one scenario.
The shore power distribution hardware carries a live 115 volt AC line,
a neutral line and a ground line.

As likely as not, the ground line is connected physically to the
neutral line at some closeby point. (For ALL slips)

Or if not, some misguided owner may connect his neutral lead to ground
return, with much the same effect.

This notional ground may have several volts imposed on it by the
voltage drop in the neutral return.
If you carry the ground on board to a through hull, this potential can
drive a current to the ACTUAL ground (below the water)

Brian W

On 21 Apr 2004 16:49:29 -0700, (Chuck Baier)
wrote:

Thanks for the input from everyone. One thing that is puzzling here.
Each slip is a separate home run to a meter. None of the slips are
interconnected. Each is independent. If this is the case leakage from
other bots on the ground shouldn't affect my zincs. We are looking for
a source that is outside the AC connections. At least that is what I
beleive.


"geneb321" wrote in message ...
There is an excellent article on testing for grounding problems between
shore power and boat at: http://www.yandina.com/electrolysis.htm
Gene
SV Sea Gypsy

"Chuck Baier" wrote in message
om...
Our marina has a problem at some slips with stray current. Some of the
boats are loosing zincs at a fast rate while others are not. Looking
for some help in trying to resolve this and what kind of equipment
will I need. Thanks. Chuck

OK but if stray voltage entered the ground and was causing problems
for my boat or others through the shore power connections would that
not show up in my outlets on the boat. I don't have isolators as of
yet. All the tests I have run on my power cord (new) and my 110
outlets show nothing out of the ordinary. Chuck


Brian Whatcott wrote in message . ..
Here's one scenario.
The shore power distribution hardware carries a live 115 volt AC line,
a neutral line and a ground line.

As likely as not, the ground line is connected physically to the
neutral line at some closeby point. (For ALL slips)

Or if not, some misguided owner may connect his neutral lead to ground
return, with much the same effect.

This notional ground may have several volts imposed on it by the
voltage drop in the neutral return.
If you carry the ground on board to a through hull, this potential can
drive a current to the ACTUAL ground (below the water)

Brian W

On 21 Apr 2004 16:49:29 -0700, (Chuck Baier)
wrote:

Thanks for the input from everyone. One thing that is puzzling here.
Each slip is a separate home run to a meter. None of the slips are
interconnected. Each is independent. If this is the case leakage from
other bots on the ground shouldn't affect my zincs. We are looking for
a source that is outside the AC connections. At least that is what I
beleive.


"geneb321" wrote in message ...
There is an excellent article on testing for grounding problems between
shore power and boat at: http://www.yandina.com/electrolysis.htm
Gene
SV Sea Gypsy

"Chuck Baier" wrote in message
om...
Our marina has a problem at some slips with stray current. Some of the
boats are loosing zincs at a fast rate while others are not. Looking
for some help in trying to resolve this and what kind of equipment
will I need. Thanks. Chuck

Here's one scenario.
The shore power distribution hardware carries a live 115 volt AC line,
a neutral line and a ground line.

As likely as not, the ground line is connected physically to the
neutral line at some closeby point. (For ALL slips)

Or if not, some misguided owner may connect his neutral lead to ground
return, with much the same effect.

This notional ground may have several volts imposed on it by the
voltage drop in the neutral return.
If you carry the ground on board to a through hull, this potential can
drive a current to the ACTUAL ground (below the water)

Brian W

On 21 Apr 2004 16:49:29 -0700, (Chuck Baier)
wrote:

Thanks for the input from everyone. One thing that is puzzling here.
Each slip is a separate home run to a meter. None of the slips are
interconnected. Each is independent. If this is the case leakage from
other bots on the ground shouldn't affect my zincs. We are looking for
a source that is outside the AC connections. At least that is what I
beleive.


"geneb321" wrote in message ...
There is an excellent article on testing for grounding problems between
shore power and boat at: http://www.yandina.com/electrolysis.htm
Gene
SV Sea Gypsy

"Chuck Baier" wrote in message
om...
Our marina has a problem at some slips with stray current. Some of the
boats are loosing zincs at a fast rate while others are not. Looking
for some help in trying to resolve this and what kind of equipment
will I need. Thanks. Chuck

Thanks for the input from everyone. One thing that is puzzling here.
Each slip is a separate home run to a meter. None of the slips are
interconnected. Each is independent. If this is the case leakage from
other bots on the ground shouldn't affect my zincs. We are looking for
a source that is outside the AC connections. At least that is what I
beleive.


"geneb321" wrote in message ...
There is an excellent article on testing for grounding problems between
shore power and boat at: http://www.yandina.com/electrolysis.htm
Gene
SV Sea Gypsy

"Chuck Baier" wrote in message
om...
Our marina has a problem at some slips with stray current. Some of the
boats are loosing zincs at a fast rate while others are not. Looking
for some help in trying to resolve this and what kind of equipment
will I need. Thanks. Chuck

There is an excellent article on testing for grounding problems between
shore power and boat at: http://www.yandina.com/electrolysis.htm
Gene
SV Sea Gypsy

"Chuck Baier" wrote in message
om...
Our marina has a problem at some slips with stray current. Some of the
boats are loosing zincs at a fast rate while others are not. Looking
for some help in trying to resolve this and what kind of equipment
will I need. Thanks. Chuck