(wilbur said)
I choose to NOT believe it coming second hand like that. I know how
women are. Lydia would never allow that to happen. Most any woman
without her
*nest* turns out to be a psychotic bitch.

I'm not going to comment on her disposition at any given moment, but
the boat is her nest. And, if you need even more "first"hand, she can
post and blister your ass (depend on it). But, here it is from the
horse's mouth (or, ass, if you prefer)

Wilbur Hubbard

(salty said)
Well, Skip tends to "tell all" in his posts, and at one point he
mentioned that Lydia's adult kids took a pretty dim view of them
selling off all their assets (intrepreted as "inheritance") to
follow
what they thought was a crazy plan. They pretty much tried to
convince
Lydia not to go along with it, but she did anyway.


Furthermore, it's obvious Wilbur likes to choose those parts which
suit him, ignoring the commentary in my log following our (enforced;
I'd not have done it - to that extent he's right about Lydia as to
home *FIRES*) visit ashore to deal with family business.

We'd hardly have camped out at a friend's, in the same town she lived
in for 16 years, if we had a home ashore. And, we couldn't wait to get
back aboard, despite having a car at our full-time disposal and their
home virtually to ourselves for more than half that time. Ditto our
couple of weeks in Portland, at my sister's home.

We sold the houses (we didn't live together until the boat, in
practical terms), took mortgages, which allows us a pittance to
supplement our fish catch, and gave away literally everything,
including the last vehicle the day we left before the wreck, and the
vehicle we were given after the wreck, *before* we left again. No
rolling stock, no real estate, no furniture, yada, yada.

Every piece of tangible we own is either the boat or aboard it...

A for (pot stirring) effort, B+ for entertainment, F on accuracy...

--
L8R

Skip

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"Skip Gundlach" wrote in message
...
: (wilbur said)
: I choose to NOT believe it coming second hand like that. I know how
: women are. Lydia would never allow that to happen. Most any woman
: without her
: *nest* turns out to be a psychotic bitch.
:
: I'm not going to comment on her disposition at any given moment, but
: the boat is her nest. And, if you need even more "first"hand, she can
: post and blister your ass (depend on it). But, here it is from the
: horse's mouth (or, ass, if you prefer)

OK, OK. I was wrong about you still having a house ashore. But you do have
relatives, it seems, so I was partially correct because you can always mouch
off them when you get into dire straits and have no other choice.

But, thanks for admitting your boat is your wife's nest. In other words you
have a hen ship. :-)Bwaahahahahahahahahhaha. Now, that's pretty funny. One
thing you will learn if you haven't already is women MUST have their space
or they get really, really crabby or withdrawn and depressed. The sad fact
is there simply is no *space* for them on a small vessel like Flying Pig.

So, to compensate and to keep her happy you'll end up having to spend
frequent time ashore in houses where she can have some space to herself. You
should have kept one of your houses for this reason alone. Now she's gonna
feel like a prisoner, mark my words.


: snip

: Furthermore, it's obvious Wilbur likes to choose those parts which
: suit him, ignoring the commentary in my log following our (enforced;
: I'd not have done it - to that extent he's right about Lydia as to
: home *FIRES*) visit ashore to deal with family business.

Quite honestly, I often lose interest because your commentary can often run
way long and involve things that don't really interest me. You need to talk
more sailing and less technology for one and you should avoid any mention of
lubberly stuff completely.

:
: We'd hardly have camped out at a friend's, in the same town she lived
: in for 16 years, if we had a home ashore. And, we couldn't wait to get
: back aboard, despite having a car at our full-time disposal and their
: home virtually to ourselves for more than half that time. Ditto our
: couple of weeks in Portland, at my sister's home.

Couldn't wait to get back aboard. Good on you. There may be hope for you
yet, Skippy. That's an encouraging sign when you look towards your boat as
your home and refuge and not just a getaway like most of the wannabes here
do.

:
: We sold the houses (we didn't live together until the boat, in
: practical terms), took mortgages, which allows us a pittance to
: supplement our fish catch, and gave away literally everything,
: including the last vehicle the day we left before the wreck, and the
: vehicle we were given after the wreck, *before* we left again. No
: rolling stock, no real estate, no furniture, yada, yada.

A complete break. I've underestimated you Skippy. Now, there will soon
probably be some discouraging times ahead. You haven't completely adjusted
as yet or you wouldn't be spending extended stays ashore with relatives,
friends and such. Screw all them lubbers. Change your priorities and look
toward other cruisers you meet along the way as your friends. Do your
visiting and socializing aboard each other's boats. Look ashore from the
cockpit with a cold beer in your hand and think: "**** all those lubbers -
they are too stupid for me to abide."

:
: Every piece of tangible we own is either the boat or aboard it...

This is good in a way because you have a lot to be responsible for in a
concentrated space and perhaps your attitude will change to a more serious
one to protect your future and your very lives. Sailing is serious business
but I've not seen much seriousness out of you to date. But, now I have hopes
that you are coming around. Keep sailing. Try to change your priorites from
being an act on a stage for the benefit of a lame, know-nothing, audience of
wannabes and hangers to being your own private show for the sake of your own
benefit and enjoyment.


Wilbur Hubbard

"Skip Gundlach" wrote in message
...

Skip,
Since you, and Lydia have been a hot topic on the NG for what, 2 years now?
is it safe to say you're NG celebrities?
Don't take morons like old Willard here seriously. Every village is supposed
to have an idiot. It's in the charter.
Merlin

"mmc" wrote in message
g.com...
"Skip Gundlach" wrote in message
...

Skip,
Since you, and Lydia have been a hot topic on the NG for what, 2
years now? is it safe to say you're NG celebrities?
Don't take morons like old Willard here seriously. Every village is
supposed to have an idiot. It's in the charter.
Merlin

:{)) I knew that, of course.

When Neal showed up here a couple of years ago, after a long absence,
and folks were bitching about his pontificating/slashing, I compared
him to Jax, long unheard from (likely out cruising, based on my
offline conversations with him a few years back), except without the
same level of vitriol: Take him for what he is, and pick out the
occasional nuggets of gold from among the dung or dross. He
complimented me on my wisdom and accuracy at the time :{))

Wilbur's character, and his "roommate" Greg (how does Greg get to be a
roommate when Wilbur's living aboard a small boat??), and the presumed
other characters (presumed to be from) Neal presents are all
entertaining in their own way; if you ignore the jabs, and read for
the (admittedly encyclopedic, whether googled or dredged from memory
or reference material in his library) useful stuff.

I rarely respond to Wilbur, but I often credit him, such as when he
does a particularly biting satire which, like all satire, has the
kernels of truth, on me.

And, not your post, but to respond to what prompted your comment,
Lydia has expressed an interest in blistering his ass; we went ashore
not to get away from the boat, but to attend to family business. We
couldn't wait to get back to our home - and the same is true whether
just visiting with my brother and his wife, for dinner last night, or
a more extended period.

And, in another thread, we do wake up in a comfortable bed ashore and
it's because it's not moving :{)) Pretty much all of Greg's comments
apply to us; we occasionally still drag, but just reanchor in a more
secure fashion. The rest we're on the same page...

As to SPOT, we'll turn it on again when we leave and hope that Roger's
instructions work for us. It's not for us; rather, just a comfort to
our family, but we've found that many other cruisers and non-cruisers
alike really enjoy following us and seeing the real-time tracks it
leaves :{))

Back to Wilbur/Greg/Neal, I was sorry to see Neal's site go down - it
was enjoyable reading, and looking at, while I don't prefer the color
scheme, the obvious pride and care he put into his "yacht" (to be
fair, that's the proper term in the other side of the pond for
sailboats) was interesting to view.

So, Wilbur, as Lydia was reading over my shoulder, she said "I really
want to write to him." You may yet get a taste of her :{))

--
L8R

Skip

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"Skip Gundlach" wrote

Back to Wilbur/Greg/Neal, I was sorry to see Neal's site go down - it was
enjoyable reading, and looking at, while I don't prefer the color scheme,
the obvious pride and care he put into his "yacht" (to be fair, that's the
proper term in the other side of the pond for sailboats) was interesting
to view.

The "obvious pride" and other aspects of the site make it very hard for me
to believe that it wouldn't have included descriptions and pictures of where
he went and what he did in the boat. I would be floored to see proof that
it had ever made even a short cruise. I have yet to see any "wisdom" that
couldn't be regurgitated from boating books and several statements that a
small amount of actual experience certainly would have kept him from making.

--
Roger Long

On 2008-09-17 16:38:08 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
said:

But, I ask you what is three months in the life of a real cruising
sailor who lives aboard and sails and has been doing so continuously
since 1985 with about 11 years out somewhere in the middle to earn
enough to keep sailing when and where he wishes when the fancy strikes
to the end of his days? I further ask you who is the real cruising
sailor - one whose life is sailing or another who takes time out of his
life ashore to go sailing or cruising with every intention of returning
to his lubberly abode which he still owns in reserve?

Well, Skip and Lydia have no lubberly abode, nor *anything* else tying
them to land. They are out there and DOING it.

Pat and I have an abode and jobs that keep us tied, but we get out and
away from the marina 60-80 days of the 6-month season we get around
here. You might notice that I'm currently catching up on posts. Was out
and about on the boat for 3 weeks. Didn't have internet most of the
time, as the anchorages we frequent are too remote for even a 15 db
antenna we borrowed. (That thing is good for 5 miles over the water.)

Wilbur, I accept someone's assertion that you've been out to at least
the Bahamas, and I've noted your presence missing for short times, but
you post far too many days in the year for me to believe that you leave
your slip, mooring, anchorage or trailer even as much as I do.

--
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On 2008-09-18 13:55:50 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
said:

Did he sell his house? I doubt it.

They both sold houses, including some rental properties if I remember
correctly.

Compare that with my safe, silent, successful and sane record of active
cruising of more than 13 years.

Yup, going nowhere is certainly silent, safe and easily successful.

I almost guarantee Pat and I have cruised further in those same 13
years, seen more sights, met more people, explored more new areas.

[Going back over some old logs on a whim, I see we've logged well over
8,000 nm in that time, with over 1,000 nm in our cruising range. The
little trips sure add up!]

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
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On 2008-09-18 17:57:26 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
said:

The sad fact is there simply is no *space* for them on a small vessel
like Flying Pig.

OMG, it's obvious you haven't seen FP! It's larger and more comfortable
than my first apartment.

Second one, too. Pretty close to my third.

I will allow that Skip and Lydia need separate spaces some times --
anyone who cruises with others will admit that. FP has plenty of
separate spaces, easily enough for 4-6 people, and they normally have
fewer than 4 onboard.

Now she's gonna feel like a prisoner, mark my words.

I find no evidence that you have any experience in having anyone aboard
but you, particularly considering your "pure sailor" posts a few months
ago that presumed you were the only person onboard, no others to
compromise with.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
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On 2008-09-20 11:10:03 -0400, "Skip Gundlach" said:

So, Wilbur, as Lydia was reading over my shoulder, she said "I really
want to write to him." You may yet get a taste of her :{))

Oh PLEASE!

I hear her voice too rarely as a subscriber to her list.

I'd love to hear others discover how NOT "the little lady" Lydia is. I
would much more fear not being her friend than not being Skip's.

[Physically, she's far from large (is quite cute and personable), but
she is strong enough to be Skip's partner, and strong enough to
obviously enjoy cruising despite the early problems. Hell, (I'm pretty
sure this was public at the time) her first cruise was on Skip's
ex-father-in-law's boat from the Bahamas to Florida, which wasn't
exactly a smooth delivery. She could kick most of their detractors'
asses as a "pure" sailor, as she's successfully brought FP through some
pretty significant events.]

Love Lydia. Part of my "push" to have Flying Pig cruise through the
Chesapeake is to give us a chance for Pat to meet Lydia (and Skip). I
met them last year on a whim on a sloppy weekend while I was solo.

And it was so cool that Lydia didn't blink as I rounded to raft up. I
didn't know until much later that it was the first time FP had rafted
up with anyone. Lydia accepted the lines and tied them off correctly.
She did everything perfectly as if she'd done it hundreds of times,
though it was her first time.

S&L: Pat's the personable member in our marriage. I do believe you'll
love her. I sail good, but am not the sociable member of our
relationship.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
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