On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:46:54 -0400, "Roger Long"
wrote:

"Ken Heaton, Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia" wrote

Hi Roger, no requirement unless you stay 45 or more consecutive days.

I definitely plan to so I've got to find out what they will accept from a
state that doesn't issue the kind of documentation they describe.

I could put in a good word for you, and also mention that your knees
and back were transplanted from a thirty year old.

"Goofball_star_dot_etal" wrote

I could put in a good word for you, and also mention that your knees
and back were transplanted from a thirty year old.


Please do although I wouldn't fudge the truth with the transplant bit.

Actually though, in a summer of some of some ambitious coastal cruising (by
Maine standards anyway)

http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/GEfile...er08Cruise.kml

the full extent of what are considered normal cruising grounds in this part
of the world including the wilder portions thereof, my back and knees have
felt far better than in my previous three years of sailing. I feel younger
than when I first bought the boat. The enforced rest and therapy, together
with three seasons of nearly daily sailing and two off seasons of extensive
work on the boat, have definitely turned the clock back a bit.

Some of it though is being aware and smarter. When the anchor is really dug
in, I don't just grab on and heave while still stiff in the morning. First
trick is to take the rode back to the midships cleat and get as much tension
on it as possible. I then can put a powerful swig on it by pulling up in
the middle. If the water is shallow and it's mostly chain aboard, I've made
up a tackle with a chain hook. The other end has a loop that I throw around
a winch on the mast. Swigging the fall from a bow cleat creates a pretty
good lift. If I'm motoring off the hook, I can just go ahead on the up and
down rode but I often like to sail away without using the engine.

--
Roger Long

On Aug 30, 4:46*pm, "Roger Long" wrote:
"Ken Heaton, Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia" wrote

Hi Roger, no requirement unless you stay 45 or more consecutive days.

I definitely plan to so I've got to find out what they will accept from a
state that doesn't issue the kind of documentation they describe.

--
Roger Long

Hello again Roger, it appears to me theat you can get yourself a
Canadian-issued pleasure craft operator card:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/marinesafety/deb..._visitor.htm#g

"Acceptable Proof of Competency for Non-Residents
For non-residents, proof of competency can take one of three forms:

A Canadian-issued pleasure craft operator card.
A completed boat rental safety check-list (for power-driven rental
boats).
An operator card or equivalent that meets the requirements of their
state or country.
For more information, consult the Competency of Operators of Pleasure
Craft Regulations."

This wording suggest to me a non resident can have a Canadian issued
card. The pleasure craft operator cards are easy enough to get
online as the course is available through several vendors such as:

http://www.boaterexam.com/canada/?gc...FRhhnAodfUctQQ

http://www.theoperatorcard.ca/

http://www.boaterlicences.com/?gclid...FQsiIgodSFYRQw

"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
"Ken Heaton, Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia" wrote

Hi Roger, no requirement unless you stay 45 or more consecutive days.

I definitely plan to so I've got to find out what they will accept from a
state that doesn't issue the kind of documentation they describe.

--
Roger Long


Roger... do you have a local Power Squadron in your area?
What a great way to pass the dreary winters in your area(and mine).
You'll probably even meet some new long term friends.
I've just run into a lady i took the Piloting course with. We both walk our
dogs in the same part.
She's still sailing (trying to sell her J-24 to buy a Viking 28 while I'm
reduced to operating an open 15' aluminum boat these days)

"Don White" wrote

Roger... do you have a local Power Squadron in your area?

I don't think a Power Squadron certificate counts as state or federally
issued.

--
Roger Long

On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:35:06 -0700 (PDT), "Ken Heaton, Cape Breton
Island, Nova Scotia" wrote:

On Aug 29, 7:31*pm, "Roger Long" wrote:
"terry" wrote

By end 2009 Canadian all recreational boaters will be required to
possess suitable qualifications.

Do you know if there will be any requirements for visiting cruisers such as
having an equivelent certificater or training in their home country?

--
Roger Long

Hi Roger, no requirement unless you stay 45 or more consecutive days.

I looked it up at: http://www.tc.gc.ca/acts-regulations...08/csa108.html


A quote: See 3. (2) (b) below:

3. (1) Subject to subsection (2), no person shall operate a pleasure
craft unless the person

(a) is competent to operate the pleasure craft in accordance with
section 4; and

(b) has proof of competency on board.

(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to a person who

(a) is operating the pleasure craft under the supervision of an
instructor, as part of an accredited course;

(b) is not a resident of Canada and whose pleasure craft is in Canada
for less than 45 consecutive days; or

(c) was born before April 2, 1983, has proof of age on board and
operates a pleasure craft of at least 4 m in length before September
15, 2009; or

(d) has proof on board that they hold a MED-A4 certificate or any
certificate referred to in paragraphs 2(a) to (s), (z.18) or (z.43) of
the Marine Certification Regulations.

I'm assuming that a USCG Master's ticket would be sufficient proof ?

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 09:29:41 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:35:06 -0700 (PDT), "Ken Heaton, Cape Breton
Island, Nova Scotia" wrote:

On Aug 29, 7:31*pm, "Roger Long" wrote:
"terry" wrote

By end 2009 Canadian all recreational boaters will be required to
possess suitable qualifications.

Do you know if there will be any requirements for visiting cruisers such as
having an equivelent certificater or training in their home country?

--
Roger Long

Hi Roger, no requirement unless you stay 45 or more consecutive days.

I looked it up at: http://www.tc.gc.ca/acts-regulations...08/csa108.html


A quote: See 3. (2) (b) below:

3. (1) Subject to subsection (2), no person shall operate a pleasure
craft unless the person

(a) is competent to operate the pleasure craft in accordance with
section 4; and

(b) has proof of competency on board.

(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to a person who

(a) is operating the pleasure craft under the supervision of an
instructor, as part of an accredited course;

(b) is not a resident of Canada and whose pleasure craft is in Canada
for less than 45 consecutive days; or

(c) was born before April 2, 1983, has proof of age on board and
operates a pleasure craft of at least 4 m in length before September
15, 2009; or

(d) has proof on board that they hold a MED-A4 certificate or any
certificate referred to in paragraphs 2(a) to (s), (z.18) or (z.43) of
the Marine Certification Regulations.

I'm assuming that a USCG Master's ticket would be sufficient proof ?

I think that in CT, at least, someone with a USCG Master's ticket
would still have to obtain a CT safe boating certificate to operate
recreational craft or PWC's. You can skip the 8 hour class and just
take the test (and pay the fees) Actually, anyone can do it that way
if they feel confident that they can pass the test without the class.
Not recommended, though, as the test is geared to topics covered in
the class, and if you don't pass, you have a waiting period before you
can pay again and take the test again.

Just because you can operate a large tug boat, does not mean you know
how to operate a PWC, any more than it means you know how to drive a
tractor trailer, fly an airplane. or ski down Mt. Everest.

On Aug 31, 2:41*pm, wrote:
....
I think that in CT, at least, someone with a USCG Master's ticket
would still have to obtain a CT safe boating certificate to operate
recreational craft or PWC's. ...

That's an interesting thought. It would mean, I presume, that a
person with a master's license could take up to 6 people out on his
own boat for hire but would not be able to cruise it for pleasure...
Wouldn't that be odd. I'm no lawyer and I'm sure one of the local law
critters will point out my errors but I think a federal license that
gives you the right to operate a boat must be recognized by a state.
No?

Just because you can operate a large tug boat, does not mean you know
how to operate a PWC, any more than it means you know how to drive a
tractor trailer, fly an airplane. or ski down Mt. Everest.

Are you joking? A person with a master's license will have a very
good handle on COLREGS and some familiarity with the applicable CFR
chapters and a lot more to loose if he gets busted breaking the law
than a person with just an operators license. There are a few laws
that vary from state to state but I strongly suspect that most pros
could pick them up with a quick glance at the state's boating
handbook. Otherwise, they're likely to have mastered much more
material than will be presented in a state licensing course. YMMV but
I've spent time in small boats with professional mariners and they
were very fine boat operators. And, of course, if you can operate a
tug you can almost certainly operate a PWC (at least a sit down
one).

-- Tom.

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:41:18 -0400, wrote:

I think that in CT, at least, someone with a USCG Master's ticket
would still have to obtain a CT safe boating certificate to operate
recreational craft or PWC's.

I've been operating pleasure boats in CT on and off for over 30 years,
first as a NY resident, now FL. As far as I'm concerned I am
grandfathered but who knows. Let's set up a test case, might be fun.
You can turn me in next summer for failure to have a certificate.

"terry" wrote in message
...
By end 2009 Canadian all recreational boaters will be required to
possess suitable qualifications.

Been touch with rep. of the Power and Sail Squad. and one of the
claims made is that their course, unlike some of the more
straightforward 'Boating Safety' courses, is the only one that
qualifies for operating a boat in both Canada and USA. While that is
unlikely in short term it could be a significant advantage.

They also have a 12 week one evening per week course which is more
comprehensive which includes the the above qualification.

Any advice regarding this would be most appreciated. It is many years
since did any actual sailing.

Terry

Presently refitting our 26 foot Westerly Tiger; sal****er, out of
Newfoundland, Canada.

Great way to spend our cold damp winters.
Way back in 2000 I started with the Boating Course at the Halifax Squadron,
took the Piloting, and Advanced Piloting courses and fit in the VHF and GPS
seminars in between.
I've been lazy since 2002.... but have kept my dues up and plan on getting
back in the saddle one of these days.