"Capt. JG" wrote in message
easolutions...
I thought this deserved another thread, even though the "headsail furler"
is surprisingly civil so far.

We all know (I hope) about giving the furled sail a couple of extra wraps
with the jib sheets, but do you go further? I seem to recall someone (more
than one) tying off the sail with an extra line, but I wondered at the
time how one gets up high enough to make that effective.

I use a shackle on the drum of my Schaefer. Anyone else?

I do not see the problem. Like you, I give the sail a couple of extra wraps
of the sheets when it is fully rolled and then make the furling line fast
onto a cleat which is there for that purpose.
Why do you think you need to do more?

"Edgar" wrote

Why do you think you need to do more?

Because I've seen the mess when a sail has come unrolled at the dock and
also on a mooring. I depend on the wraps normally but put a sail tie on for
heavy weather or when leaving the boat for a long period. I'ts more of a
peace of mind thing than a significant hazard but it keeps me from seeing
those scenes in my mind when I wake up in the middle of the night.

--
Roger Long

"Roger Long" wrote in message
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"Edgar" wrote

Why do you think you need to do more?

Because I've seen the mess when a sail has come unrolled at the dock and
also on a mooring. I depend on the wraps normally but put a sail tie on
for heavy weather or when leaving the boat for a long period. I'ts more
of a peace of mind thing than a significant hazard but it keeps me from
seeing those scenes in my mind when I wake up in the middle of the night.

--
Roger Long



There was a boat in the same row as mine that shredded a jib during a storm
last winter. I don't want to repeat that.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

On Aug 12, 3:01 pm, "Roger Long" wrote:
"Edgar" wrote

Why do you think you need to do more?

Because I've seen the mess when a sail has come unrolled at the dock and
also on a mooring. I depend on the wraps normally but put a sail tie on for
heavy weather or when leaving the boat for a long period. I'ts more of a
peace of mind thing than a significant hazard but it keeps me from seeing
those scenes in my mind when I wake up in the middle of the night.

--
Roger Long

I still use the old style hank on sails..yes they can be a mess..but
very simple and has worked for a long time.

On Aug 12, 12:01 pm, "Roger Long" wrote:
"Edgar" wrote

Why do you think you need to do more?

Because I've seen the mess when a sail has come unrolled at the dock and
also on a mooring. I depend on the wraps normally but put a sail tie on for
heavy weather or when leaving the boat for a long period. ...

A sister "ship" (boat) of ours was lost when the upper section of jib
unfurled and caused them to drag anchor. I take the jib off when I'm
not going to go sailing for a couple of days. It lasts a lot longer
and would have to crawl back on deck and get itself out of its bag to
do any harm. I don't understand why folks leave the jibs bent on when
they are away from the boat or expecting heavy weather.

-- Tom.

wrote in message
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On Aug 12, 12:01 pm, "Roger Long" wrote:
"Edgar" wrote

Why do you think you need to do more?

Because I've seen the mess when a sail has come unrolled at the dock and
also on a mooring. I depend on the wraps normally but put a sail tie on
for
heavy weather or when leaving the boat for a long period. ...

A sister "ship" (boat) of ours was lost when the upper section of jib
unfurled and caused them to drag anchor. I take the jib off when I'm
not going to go sailing for a couple of days. It lasts a lot longer
and would have to crawl back on deck and get itself out of its bag to
do any harm. I don't understand why folks leave the jibs bent on when
they are away from the boat or expecting heavy weather.

-- Tom.

I am amazed that even here in a Norwegian winter some owners just have their
boats hauled and simply leave the jib rolled up all winter just as they left
it last time they sailed.

On Aug 20, 2:42 pm, "Edgar" wrote:
wrote in message
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I am amazed that even here in a Norwegian winter some owners just have their
boats hauled and simply leave the jib rolled up all winter just as they left
it last time they sailed.

I know folks who spend a week a year just working on their boats
varnish but can't find ten minutes to stow the jib properly. Clearly,
I'm missing something 'cause leaving the jib bent on indefinitely just
doesn't make any sense to me.

-- Tom.

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:42:28 +0200, "Edgar"
wrote:


wrote in message
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On Aug 12, 12:01 pm, "Roger Long" wrote:
"Edgar" wrote

Why do you think you need to do more?

Because I've seen the mess when a sail has come unrolled at the dock and
also on a mooring. I depend on the wraps normally but put a sail tie on
for
heavy weather or when leaving the boat for a long period. ...

A sister "ship" (boat) of ours was lost when the upper section of jib
unfurled and caused them to drag anchor. I take the jib off when I'm
not going to go sailing for a couple of days. It lasts a lot longer
and would have to crawl back on deck and get itself out of its bag to
do any harm. I don't understand why folks leave the jibs bent on when
they are away from the boat or expecting heavy weather.

-- Tom.

I am amazed that even here in a Norwegian winter some owners just have their
boats hauled and simply leave the jib rolled up all winter just as they left
it last time they sailed.

In a Norwegian winter, the sun never gets hlgh enough for any
significant part of the UV to make it to the ground.

Casady

On 2008-08-20 16:30:25 -0400, " said:

On Aug 12, 12:01 pm, "Roger Long" wrote:
"Edgar" wrote

Why do you think you need to do more?

Because I've seen the mess when a sail has come unrolled at the dock
and also on a mooring. I depend on the wraps normally but put a sail
tie on for heavy weather or when leaving the boat for a long period.
...

A sister "ship" (boat) of ours was lost when the upper section of jib
unfurled and caused them to drag anchor.

That sounds like a different problem, which I've also seen: The sail
not being furled tightly enough and a squall coming through. Their clew
was still tightly wrapped/kept, but the sail unfurled like a sardine
can.

I take the jib off when I'm not going to go sailing for a couple of
days. It lasts a lot longer and would have to crawl back on deck and
get itself out of its bag to do any harm. I don't understand why folks
leave the jibs bent on when they are away from the boat or expecting
heavy weather.

For me, the convenience of being able to have the sail out and drawing
15 minutes after we've entered the parking lot outweighs the expense of
once-a-decade sacrificial cloth.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

"Edgar" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
easolutions...
I thought this deserved another thread, even though the "headsail furler"
is surprisingly civil so far.

We all know (I hope) about giving the furled sail a couple of extra wraps
with the jib sheets, but do you go further? I seem to recall someone
(more than one) tying off the sail with an extra line, but I wondered at
the time how one gets up high enough to make that effective.

I use a shackle on the drum of my Schaefer. Anyone else?

I do not see the problem. Like you, I give the sail a couple of extra
wraps of the sheets when it is fully rolled and then make the furling line
fast onto a cleat which is there for that purpose.
Why do you think you need to do more?



Well, basically, if the line should come off the cleat, then the sail will
unfurl and flog itself to death. I've had this come up twice. Once was a
customer going back to the boat to get something he forgot and doing me a
"favor" because the jib sheet on that side was rubbing on the dodger and he
took off both lines from the same cleat. The other was a dock worker, who I
believe was checking shore power hookups to make sure they were secure (we
had a near miss boat fire - someone not using a locking ring on the shore
power connection). I'm glad I had the shackle.



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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com