On 2008-07-30 10:41:02 -0400, Dave said:

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:10:13 GMT, Jere Lull said:

Below 20%, they're covering their butt. Between 20-40, we
can probably sail around the isolated clouds. 60 or higher, and we'll
at best be able to scoot quickly between cells. 80+ and we'll likely
hunker down.

The summer LIS forecast virtually always says something about a
"possibility" of thunderstorms. As a rule of thumb, I will generally go out
unless the probability is more than 50%.

Pretty close to the Chesapeake. I've gotten a little more bold after 16
season's experience. I'm more rarely surprised these days since I
recognize the bad signs more reliably.

Again, that's part of the local knowledge required to interpret any
weather report. I'd be more chicken in foreign cruising grounds -- even
as close as the Chesapeake below the Bay Bridge, within sight of our
marina on a good day.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

"Skip Gundlach" wrote in message
...
OK...

I promised...

So, those of you who feel we're a danger to boaters and want us to
maintain a minimum of the sort of distance demanded by the US sub fleet,
mail me directly with your lat/long and I'll honor your wishes.

OTOH, if you'd like to get a look at the crazies aboard Flying Pig, stay
tuned. Next stop Portland, ME area, ETA 10-25 days, or earlier shore
points as dictated by circumstance. LMK where (this bunch of) you are,
and we'll try to rendezvous.

FWIW, I've only hit rocks (once) and mud (many times) with Flying Pig, but
we'll anchor and let you raft up if you're nervous :{))

--
L8R

Skip

Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig KI4MPC
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"You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it
come true. You may have to work for it however."
(and)
"There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its hands.
You seek problems because you need their gifts."
(Richard Bach, in The Reluctant Messiah)

"Skip Gundlach" wrote in message
...

Flying Pig Float Plan


Our current plan is to depart on the falling tide on Monday, July
28 afternoon. Our best forecasts of currents and winds at this
time are for us to go directly East from St. Mary's River to the
Gulf Stream, taking advantage of the offshore currents to get us
there, rather than angling north to take the longer leg of the
triangle. We anticipate picking up the Gulf Stream early
Tuesday. Current in that area can be viewed he
https://oceanography.navy.mil/legacy.../145/0-0-17/16

Once in the Gulf Stream, weather and currents allowing, we'll
stay in it through approximately 38-00N/70-00W, about halfway
between Cape Charles and Cape May's latitude, then turn from its
eastward bend to Northeast, approaching Cape Cod. Current in
that area can be viewed he
https://oceanography.navy.mil/legacy.../145/0-0-17/24

At approximately 40-37N and 69-00W, we'll turn north, to go
through the Great South Channel off Cape Cod, and once clear of
the shoal areas, turn slightly northwest to go to Portland.
Depending on what time we arrive, the currents could be very
favorable or heavily against us. You can see those he
https://oceanography.navy.mil/legacy.../145/0-0-17/32

We intend daily reports via sailmail, as well as having our SPOT
(http://share.findmespot.com/shared/f...PLcZGvSb3 nMe)
on continuously during our passage. We'll also send "OK"
messages via Spot on a daily basis.

At this time weather, wind and currents all look very good for
our passage, but in the event that changes, or there are
equipment difficulties which suggest otherwise, we'll not
hesitate to come in from wherever we are at the time.

See our log listings for the daily reports...

L8R

Skip and Lydia (and Portia, of course!)


Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig KI4MPC
See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery !
Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog
and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog

"You are never given a wish without also being given the power
to make it come true. You may have to work for it however."
(and)
"There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in
its hands. You seek problems because you need their gifts."
(Richard Bach, in The Reluctant Messiah)
================================================== ===============

Wondering ::: why do you post your every move here? One sentence would do
it
[ leaving for Maine ]

I sail Maine, there are hundreds of sailboats sailing the coast. They don't
post their
every move here.

Less posting ,, more sailing ..

"Thomas, Spring Point Light" wrote in message
newsAlkk.644$rb5.382@trnddc04...

"Skip Gundlach" wrote in message
...
OK...

I promised...

So, those of you who feel we're a danger to boaters and want us to
maintain a minimum of the sort of distance demanded by the US sub fleet,
mail me directly with your lat/long and I'll honor your wishes.

OTOH, if you'd like to get a look at the crazies aboard Flying Pig, stay
tuned. Next stop Portland, ME area, ETA 10-25 days, or earlier shore
points as dictated by circumstance. LMK where (this bunch of) you are,
and we'll try to rendezvous.

FWIW, I've only hit rocks (once) and mud (many times) with Flying Pig,
but we'll anchor and let you raft up if you're nervous :{))

--
L8R

Skip

Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig KI4MPC
See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery !
Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog
and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog

"You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it
come true. You may have to work for it however."
(and)
"There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its hands.
You seek problems because you need their gifts."
(Richard Bach, in The Reluctant Messiah)

"Skip Gundlach" wrote in message
...

Flying Pig Float Plan


Our current plan is to depart on the falling tide on Monday, July
28 afternoon. Our best forecasts of currents and winds at this
time are for us to go directly East from St. Mary's River to the
Gulf Stream, taking advantage of the offshore currents to get us
there, rather than angling north to take the longer leg of the
triangle. We anticipate picking up the Gulf Stream early
Tuesday. Current in that area can be viewed he
https://oceanography.navy.mil/legacy.../145/0-0-17/16

Once in the Gulf Stream, weather and currents allowing, we'll
stay in it through approximately 38-00N/70-00W, about halfway
between Cape Charles and Cape May's latitude, then turn from its
eastward bend to Northeast, approaching Cape Cod. Current in
that area can be viewed he
https://oceanography.navy.mil/legacy.../145/0-0-17/24

At approximately 40-37N and 69-00W, we'll turn north, to go
through the Great South Channel off Cape Cod, and once clear of
the shoal areas, turn slightly northwest to go to Portland.
Depending on what time we arrive, the currents could be very
favorable or heavily against us. You can see those he
https://oceanography.navy.mil/legacy.../145/0-0-17/32

We intend daily reports via sailmail, as well as having our SPOT
(http://share.findmespot.com/shared/f...PLcZGvSb3 nMe)
on continuously during our passage. We'll also send "OK"
messages via Spot on a daily basis.

At this time weather, wind and currents all look very good for
our passage, but in the event that changes, or there are
equipment difficulties which suggest otherwise, we'll not
hesitate to come in from wherever we are at the time.

See our log listings for the daily reports...

L8R

Skip and Lydia (and Portia, of course!)


Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig KI4MPC
See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery !
Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog
and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog

"You are never given a wish without also being given the power
to make it come true. You may have to work for it however."
(and)
"There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in
its hands. You seek problems because you need their gifts."
(Richard Bach, in The Reluctant Messiah)
================================================== ===============

Wondering ::: why do you post your every move here? One sentence would do
it
[ leaving for Maine ]

I sail Maine, there are hundreds of sailboats sailing the coast. They
don't post their
every move here.

Less posting ,, more sailing ..


The answer to your question is obvious and I have answered it in prior
posts. But, it is an important question so I shall answer it again.

Skippy and his ilk are brainwashed dolts. They seem to think that people
sail only for the sake of having other people read or hear about their
exploits. The idea that sailing is something that is rightly done for its
OWN sake and should be done right is foreign to them. If they ever
entertained the thought of planning a voyage and then accomplishing it
without fuss and without telling anybody about it, they would soon loose
interest.

Skippy is just a kindergarten playground refugee who runs around doing dumb
stuff all the while yelling to anybody within earshot, "Hey, lookit
MEEEEEEE!"

Another way to look at Skippy and his ilk is to equate them to jet-ski
operators. As long as they have an audience they will spend the entire day
going round and round doing their stupid stunts thinking they are the life
of the party and that everybody loves them and is in awe of their skill.
Meanwhile everybody being bothered by them just wishes they'd go away. But,
should everybody on shore pack up and go home the jet-skiers lose interest
and go off to seek an audience elsewhere. Skippy goes from group to group
seeking a audience.

The idea that sailing is done for the sake of an audience and not the sailor
is one warped attitude. But, as can be seen in this very group, it has many
an adherent. It seems to be some sort of a perverse offshoot of the video
age. People like Skippy actually don't think they have done anything unless
a bunch of people are told about it. And if it happens to be a bumbling
idiotic and dangerous effort so much the better. And the telling of what
used to be something to be embarrassed about has become more important than
the doing of it in a seamanlike manner.

It's pathetic.

Wilbur Hubbard

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in news:4891e9b1$0
:

It's pathetic.

Wilbur Hubbard



Instead of being complete assholes, why not simply plonk Skip from your
clients or, probably more accurate, WebTV browser boxes?

You're not the only ones who read here and many people who've never been to
sea, and probably are afraid to post for fear of being attacked by the
assholes, like yourselves, trashing the group like a bunch of grade school
bullies, choose.....on their own....to read what he takes the time to post.

Simply put.....**** OFF, ASSHOLES. Did you get the reaction you were
looking for? I suppose you did....(c;

"Larry" wrote in message
...
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in news:4891e9b1$0
:

It's pathetic.

Wilbur Hubbard



Instead of being complete assholes, why not simply plonk Skip from your
clients or, probably more accurate, WebTV browser boxes?

You're not the only ones who read here and many people who've never been
to
sea, and probably are afraid to post for fear of being attacked by the
assholes, like yourselves, trashing the group like a bunch of grade school
bullies, choose.....on their own....to read what he takes the time to
post.

Simply put.....**** OFF, ASSHOLES. Did you get the reaction you were
looking for? I suppose you did....(c;



Your reaction is exactly what I expected from you. Name calling, profanity
and ignorance. Attack the messenger and not the message.

This is your way of discussing? Then you should reconsider your choice to
participate in discussion groups.

My post is on topic, it answers another subscriber's question using my
observations and unique viewpoint based upon more years of sailing
experience than you can claim. The other subscriber has also noted the
absurdity of how some so-called sailors operate these days and how, even
more absurdly, that there are a number of folks who fail to notice this
absurdity. I've had the benefit of being alive way back when people sailed
because they loved the sailing life. Sailing was its own reward. Today
there's a bunch of misguided people who are little more a bunch of stupid
and inept, back-patting, publicity hounds putting publicity before common
sense and safety. They sail only to get noticed. This is absurd!

My observations are valid and based upon facts. It is not my concern if some
people's sensibilities are offended. That's their problem, not mine! Unlike
you, I don't pretend to be everybody's mother.

Wilbur Hubbard

"Larry" wrote in message
...
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in news:4891e9b1$0
:

It's pathetic.

Wilbur Hubbard



Instead of being complete assholes, why not simply plonk Skip from your
clients or, probably more accurate, WebTV browser boxes?

You're not the only ones who read here and many people who've never been
to
sea, and probably are afraid to post for fear of being attacked by the
assholes, like yourselves, trashing the group like a bunch of grade school
bullies, choose.....on their own....to read what he takes the time to
post.

Simply put.....**** OFF, ASSHOLES. Did you get the reaction you were
looking for? I suppose you did....(c;

Larry, Larry... Neal knows exactly what he's doing. He pathologic, but not
stupid. He's just interested in disruption and harassment, and he has no
interest in communicating, learning, or even (God help us) teaching.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Capt. JG wrote:
"Larry" wrote in message

snip

... but not stupid.

Larry will never let you get by with a baseless assertion like that! :-)

Keith

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...

"Larry" wrote in message
...
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in news:4891e9b1$0
:

It's pathetic.

Wilbur Hubbard



Instead of being complete assholes, why not simply plonk Skip from your
clients or, probably more accurate, WebTV browser boxes?

You're not the only ones who read here and many people who've never been
to
sea, and probably are afraid to post for fear of being attacked by the
assholes, like yourselves, trashing the group like a bunch of grade
school
bullies, choose.....on their own....to read what he takes the time to
post.

Simply put.....**** OFF, ASSHOLES. Did you get the reaction you were
looking for? I suppose you did....(c;



Your reaction is exactly what I expected from you. Name calling, profanity
and ignorance. Attack the messenger and not the message.

This is your way of discussing? Then you should reconsider your choice to
participate in discussion groups.

My post is on topic, it answers another subscriber's question using my
observations and unique viewpoint based upon more years of sailing
experience than you can claim. The other subscriber has also noted the
absurdity of how some so-called sailors operate these days and how, even
more absurdly, that there are a number of folks who fail to notice this
absurdity. I've had the benefit of being alive way back when people sailed
because they loved the sailing life. Sailing was its own reward. Today
there's a bunch of misguided people who are little more a bunch of stupid
and inept, back-patting, publicity hounds putting publicity before common
sense and safety. They sail only to get noticed. This is absurd!

My observations are valid and based upon facts. It is not my concern if
some people's sensibilities are offended. That's their problem, not mine!
Unlike you, I don't pretend to be everybody's mother.

Wilbur Hubbard


Blimey! And they call John McCain the straight talk express? He can't hold
a candle to you, Wilbur Hubbard. You irritate me. Your too haughty. But I
can't really find any lies in your rant. I think your points have merit.
Sailing has definitely become a *******ized sport. But, so has just about
everything else these days. Go figure.

Shad O'Shay

On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:11:47 +0000, Larry wrote:

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in news:4891e9b1$0
:

It's pathetic.

Wilbur Hubbard



Instead of being complete assholes, why not simply plonk Skip from your
clients or, probably more accurate, WebTV browser boxes?

You're not the only ones who read here and many people who've never been to
sea, and probably are afraid to post for fear of being attacked by the
assholes, like yourselves, trashing the group like a bunch of grade school
bullies, choose.....on their own....to read what he takes the time to post.

Simply put.....**** OFF, ASSHOLES. Did you get the reaction you were
looking for? I suppose you did....(c;


Larry, if he killed files everyone that he does not agree with how
large will his kill file be?


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

Bruce in Bangkok wrote in
:

Larry, if he killed files everyone that he does not agree with how
large will his kill file be?



If he killfiled them, he'd have nothing to read and respond to....(c;