On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 22:46:14 -0400, Rodney Myrvaagnes
wrote:


I
I have used one exactly that way, on a Cal 2-30. It worked like a
charm, and that boat really needed it.

I am glad to hear it. I have heard of sailmakers (who know what the
hell you are talking about) cutting special riding sails, but it
struck me that the dimensions and beefiness were very close to a sail
I already carry, and like most storm sails, is practically still new.

R.

On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 22:07:21 -0400, rhys wrote:

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 22:46:14 -0400, Rodney Myrvaagnes
wrote:


I
I have used one exactly that way, on a Cal 2-30. It worked like a
charm, and that boat really needed it.

I am glad to hear it. I have heard of sailmakers (who know what the
hell you are talking about) cutting special riding sails, but it
struck me that the dimensions and beefiness were very close to a sail
I already carry, and like most storm sails, is practically still new.

I should add that a friend of mine had another Cal 2-30 at the time,
without a storm jib. After I described the effect of the storm jib as
a riding sail he went out and had a riding sail made up specifically
to fit the backstay of the Cal. That also worked very nicely, but it
couldn't be used as a storm jib.

Lying at anchor on one of those Cals without a riding sail wasn't
uncomfortable, as long as you stayed below and didn't look out the
companionway. If you did, you often saw the landscape whizzing by in
one direction or the other.

Our J36 has about the same displacement as the Cal, but about 6-7 feet
more waterline. It has no such problem, and I have never been tempted
to get a riding sail.

..
Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a

The meme for blind faith secures its own perpetuation by the
simple unconscious expedient of discouraging rational inquiry.
- Richard Dawkins, "Viruses of the Mind"

On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 22:07:21 -0400, rhys wrote:

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 22:46:14 -0400, Rodney Myrvaagnes
wrote:


I
I have used one exactly that way, on a Cal 2-30. It worked like a
charm, and that boat really needed it.

I am glad to hear it. I have heard of sailmakers (who know what the
hell you are talking about) cutting special riding sails, but it
struck me that the dimensions and beefiness were very close to a sail
I already carry, and like most storm sails, is practically still new.

I should add that a friend of mine had another Cal 2-30 at the time,
without a storm jib. After I described the effect of the storm jib as
a riding sail he went out and had a riding sail made up specifically
to fit the backstay of the Cal. That also worked very nicely, but it
couldn't be used as a storm jib.

Lying at anchor on one of those Cals without a riding sail wasn't
uncomfortable, as long as you stayed below and didn't look out the
companionway. If you did, you often saw the landscape whizzing by in
one direction or the other.

Our J36 has about the same displacement as the Cal, but about 6-7 feet
more waterline. It has no such problem, and I have never been tempted
to get a riding sail.

..
Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a

The meme for blind faith secures its own perpetuation by the
simple unconscious expedient of discouraging rational inquiry.
- Richard Dawkins, "Viruses of the Mind"

Doesn't a buntline hitch become tight, (jammed) and hard to untie?

SV


"Rich Hampel" wrote
**** Try using a 'buntline' instead of a bowline.... a square rig
sailor would never tie a bowline in a clew.

Doesn't a buntline hitch become tight, (jammed) and hard to untie?

SV


"Rich Hampel" wrote
**** Try using a 'buntline' instead of a bowline.... a square rig
sailor would never tie a bowline in a clew.

Yup, thats the purpose, it wont shake loose like a bowline. You can
'capsize' it with a marline spike or 'screwdriver'. The benefit is
that it makes a comparatively small/flatter knot which wont foul and
catch as much as does a bowline.


In article , Scott Vernon
wrote:

Doesn't a buntline hitch become tight, (jammed) and hard to untie?

SV


"Rich Hampel" wrote
**** Try using a 'buntline' instead of a bowline.... a square rig
sailor would never tie a bowline in a clew.

Yup, thats the purpose, it wont shake loose like a bowline. You can
'capsize' it with a marline spike or 'screwdriver'. The benefit is
that it makes a comparatively small/flatter knot which wont foul and
catch as much as does a bowline.


In article , Scott Vernon
wrote:

Doesn't a buntline hitch become tight, (jammed) and hard to untie?

SV


"Rich Hampel" wrote
**** Try using a 'buntline' instead of a bowline.... a square rig
sailor would never tie a bowline in a clew.

I sailed and worked rescue boats many years at two clubs that used a Buntline
Hitch (we called it a Stunsail Tackbend) for the main halyard. I had to untie
many under unfavorable conditions. Although it definitely gets quite snug, I
never had trouble undoing them.

That said, I use a bowline for my jib sheets. I think that the "mass" of a pair
of buntlines in 5/8 sheets is more than the bowlines - maybe I'll check it out
again this year.




"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Doesn't a buntline hitch become tight, (jammed) and hard to untie?

SV


"Rich Hampel" wrote
**** Try using a 'buntline' instead of a bowline.... a square rig
sailor would never tie a bowline in a clew.

I sailed and worked rescue boats many years at two clubs that used a Buntline
Hitch (we called it a Stunsail Tackbend) for the main halyard. I had to untie
many under unfavorable conditions. Although it definitely gets quite snug, I
never had trouble undoing them.

That said, I use a bowline for my jib sheets. I think that the "mass" of a pair
of buntlines in 5/8 sheets is more than the bowlines - maybe I'll check it out
again this year.




"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Doesn't a buntline hitch become tight, (jammed) and hard to untie?

SV


"Rich Hampel" wrote
**** Try using a 'buntline' instead of a bowline.... a square rig
sailor would never tie a bowline in a clew.

I'm having a hard time with no stopper knots in spinnaker sheets/guys as you
may wish to let
them fly "presumably" in emergency. I'll counter that with if the sheets
run out on
a spinnaker then you've got a rather large flag flying from the top of your
mast....or
at least 3/4 if your fractional rigged. I can't imagine that being any
better than
stopped sheets run all the way out, and having someone with a bit of
foresight to
release the halyard...at least that way you can recover the spin from the
bottom.

If things it too far beyond that, you can always cut away the lines...

Comments?

--
Cheers,
Jeffrey Nelson
Muir Caileag
C&C 30
"Rodney Myrvaagnes" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 23:01:09 -0700, "Steve" wrote:

I've read a few books by Don Street and have a couple sailing videos of
his
as well. I respect his knowledge while I consider him a bit excentric.
His
boats and sailing gear and methods always seem well on to the "Salty
Side"
of the scale. One thing for sure, "Don doesn't have to explain" why he
does
the things he does when it comes to onboard routines". At least that's
the
impression I get..

I have watched his sailing video of one of his Atlantic crossing on "Isle
Aire" with a crew that seemed to worship him and his ways.

One thing from that video that leaves me with a question that I haven't
been
able to resolve.

Don, goes on a rant about someone putting a figure "8" Stopper Knot in
the
end of a sheet. Something I have been doing for 40 years of sailing. To
me,
it keeps the lazy sheet from being pulled through the sheet lead block.
Anyway, if there was a reason for "not" putting a Stopper Knot in the
sheet
end, it must have been edited out of the footage I have seen and no where
in
his books does he mentions a reason (that I can recall).

How about it, can anyone persuade me not to put a Stopper Knot in my
sheets??

(You see, I'm getting old and grouchy to.)

Also old and grouchy, I do put stoppers on the jib sheets, but never
on the spinnaker sheets/guys.

It may be necessary in extremis to let the spinnaker fly, but the jib
can be released without losing the end of the sheet.



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC
J36 Gjo/a


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