Doesn't a buntline hitch become tight, (jammed) and hard to untie?

SV


"Rich Hampel" wrote
**** Try using a 'buntline' instead of a bowline.... a square rig
sailor would never tie a bowline in a clew.

One other reason I prefer not to have heavy hardware on my genoa sheets
is
that a knot to the clew seems not to hang up while tacking with a staysail
inter stay. Especially in lite air.
**** Try using a 'buntline' instead of a bowline.... a square rig
sailor would never tie a bowline in a clew.

My staysail has a single row of reef points. I'm considering some additional
re-enforcements and use this as my 'poormans' storm staysail. It would be
about the right size.

I also use a downhaul on my staysail but it is called a Modified Gerr
Downhaul. In addition to hauling down the luff, it also gathers the clew up
to the gathered luff.
****Could you explain a little bit more on the Modif. Gerr Downhaul.

On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 08:23:16 -0700, "Steve" wrote:

My staysail has a single row of reef points. I'm considering some additional
re-enforcements and use this as my 'poormans' storm staysail. It would be
about the right size.

I figure if you are down to a storm staysail, it's getting pretty
wild. I believe that was the sail of choice in the Sydney Hobart
"weather bomb" race a few years ago. Me, I have a storm jib that's the
Dacron equivalent of elephant hide. Haven't had to fly it yet, but I
suspect it would make a fine riding sail at anchor pulled snug off the
backstay.

I also use a downhaul on my staysail but it is called a Modified Gerr
Downhaul. In addition to hauling down the luff, it also gathers the clew up
to the gathered luff. Not exactly elegant but the sail is secured on deck,
can't flog or fall overboard and I never have to leave the cockpit to do it
since the downhaul and the halyard are lead to the cock pit.

I will look that one up. Sometimes you want to get a big foresail down
in a hurry (like when it's shredding, as in what happened to me
rounding a headland and the wind jumped from seven to 22 knots,
munching my light No. 1). Windage and mess isn't as important as
getting most of it below the pulpit, and this idea, if I'm visualizing
it properly, will do that job quick 'n' dirty.

R.

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 19:30:16 -0400, rhys wrote:

I figure if you are down to a storm staysail, it's getting pretty
wild. I believe that was the sail of choice in the Sydney Hobart
"weather bomb" race a few years ago. Me, I have a storm jib that's the
Dacron equivalent of elephant hide. Haven't had to fly it yet, but I
suspect it would make a fine riding sail at anchor pulled snug off the
backstay.

I
I have used one exactly that way, on a Cal 2-30. It worked like a
charm, and that boat really needed it.


Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a

The meme for blind faith secures its own perpetuation by the
simple unconscious expedient of discouraging rational inquiry.
- Richard Dawkins, "Viruses of the Mind"

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 19:30:16 -0400, rhys wrote:

I figure if you are down to a storm staysail, it's getting pretty
wild. I believe that was the sail of choice in the Sydney Hobart
"weather bomb" race a few years ago. Me, I have a storm jib that's the
Dacron equivalent of elephant hide. Haven't had to fly it yet, but I
suspect it would make a fine riding sail at anchor pulled snug off the
backstay.

I
I have used one exactly that way, on a Cal 2-30. It worked like a
charm, and that boat really needed it.


Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a

The meme for blind faith secures its own perpetuation by the
simple unconscious expedient of discouraging rational inquiry.
- Richard Dawkins, "Viruses of the Mind"

On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 08:23:16 -0700, "Steve" wrote:

My staysail has a single row of reef points. I'm considering some additional
re-enforcements and use this as my 'poormans' storm staysail. It would be
about the right size.

I figure if you are down to a storm staysail, it's getting pretty
wild. I believe that was the sail of choice in the Sydney Hobart
"weather bomb" race a few years ago. Me, I have a storm jib that's the
Dacron equivalent of elephant hide. Haven't had to fly it yet, but I
suspect it would make a fine riding sail at anchor pulled snug off the
backstay.

I also use a downhaul on my staysail but it is called a Modified Gerr
Downhaul. In addition to hauling down the luff, it also gathers the clew up
to the gathered luff. Not exactly elegant but the sail is secured on deck,
can't flog or fall overboard and I never have to leave the cockpit to do it
since the downhaul and the halyard are lead to the cock pit.

I will look that one up. Sometimes you want to get a big foresail down
in a hurry (like when it's shredding, as in what happened to me
rounding a headland and the wind jumped from seven to 22 knots,
munching my light No. 1). Windage and mess isn't as important as
getting most of it below the pulpit, and this idea, if I'm visualizing
it properly, will do that job quick 'n' dirty.

R.

"rhys" wrote in message
...
it is to 'screw' around with a shackle and pin. I avoid any 'hardware' on
the jib/genoa clew.

Well, I *do* use Gibb shackles on the spinnaker sheets and guy, mainly
because the previous owner did, and those lines are still good. G


One other reason I prefer not to have heavy hardware on my genoa sheets is
that a knot to the clew seems not to hang up while tacking with a staysail
inter stay. Especially in lite air.

The idea of adding a reef point to a genoa is becoming rare, too, but
if you like hank-on, it's a good idea to consider.


My staysail has a single row of reef points. I'm considering some additional
re-enforcements and use this as my 'poormans' storm staysail. It would be
about the right size.

I also use a downhaul on my staysail but it is called a Modified Gerr
Downhaul. In addition to hauling down the luff, it also gathers the clew up
to the gathered luff. Not exactly elegant but the sail is secured on deck,
can't flog or fall overboard and I never have to leave the cockpit to do it
since the downhaul and the halyard are lead to the cock pit.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 07:28:24 -0700, "Steve" wrote:


However I use the same sheet on with sheet Bowline in each.

Same here. I reverse the knot depending on which side the sheet will
run, but then I flemish my docklines and halyards, so I guess I'm a
neat freak.

It's just as quick to tie two knots as
it is to 'screw' around with a shackle and pin. I avoid any 'hardware' on
the jib/genoa clew.

Well, I *do* use Gibb shackles on the spinnaker sheets and guy, mainly
because the previous owner did, and those lines are still good. G

If the clew grommet corrodes, as many do, I replace it
with nylon webbing.

I like to fly my smaller jibs (I have hank-on and a large J) on a
pendant to catch a bit more air. I use an oversized line (5/8" or so)
and use bowlines with secured ends to lift the tack about four feet
above the deck. Using a number 3, this improves forward visibility,
catches a bit more air and allows more choices in genoa car angles. If
I fly the genoa staysail, I fly the no. 3 even higher, like six to
eight feet depending on wind and my anticipation of tacking.

I also use jib downhauls, which is getting pretty rare in these days
of furling, but I've found them handy when singlehanding and seeing
perhaps dodgy gusty weather of the type that precede summer storms
here on the Great Lakes.

The idea of adding a reef point to a genoa is becoming rare, too, but
if you like hank-on, it's a good idea to consider.

R.

Thanks for all the replys. However I will probably continue my practice on
my sheets and halyards (I'm too old to climb the mast or chase a wild genoa
sheet. (since I have never sailed (in 40+ yr) with a spinniker and at 67,
single handing I doubt I ever will).

The way I'm presently set up, I have 2 different genoas and a working jib
and use a roller furlering (as just a furler, seldom use it for roller
reefing). However I use the same sheet on with sheet Bowline in each.. In my
youth, I got the crap beat out of me by a wild working jib with a 3/8"
shackle and two stainless thimbles. It's just as quick to tie two knots as
it is to 'screw' around with a shackle and pin. I avoid any 'hardware' on
the jib/genoa clew. If the clew grommet corrodes, as many do, I replace it
with nylon webbing.

Talk about "a vain old man holding court".

Thanks for the comments and I'm still open to further rhyme or reason.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions