Spinnaker, was What's wrong with a Stopper Knot??
 

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 10:37:39 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:47:35 -0400, Rodney Myrvaagnes
wrote:
Our pole has both ends the same, so jibes are done dinghy style, and
only in light air. I don't see any way to do a dip pole without a
third person.

===============================

It can be done with an autopilot and a little practice, at least in
light to moderate wind and seas.

The autopilot steers the boat on a dead run.

Boom is sheeted amidship, spinnaker pole, sheet and guy are squared.

Foredeck person goes forward to trip the pole off.

Cockpit person dips the topping lift.

Foredeck person brings pole through fore triangle and reclips to lazy
guy.

Cockpit person raises topping lift, foredeck returns to cockpit.

Mainsail is jibed over.

Sheets and guys retrimmed to new course.

Autopilot steers, crew returns to Margaritaville.

The advantage of sheeting the boom amidship during the jibe is that it
helps to keep the spinnaker full, and it is one less thing for the
cockpit person to be concerned with. This is risky in heavier air
however because the wind can catch the main and cause a broach.


Interesting. If the new autopilot seems capable of it, I will try that
as well. ALthough in light to moderate wind and seas we have no
trouble doing end-for-end.

In stronger winds we would use the sock.




Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a

Entering your freshman dorm for the first time, and seeing
an axe head come through the door on your right.

Spinnaker, was What's wrong with a Stopper Knot??
 

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 10:50:23 -0400, rhys wrote:

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:47:35 -0400, Rodney Myrvaagnes
wrote:

I can resist until I have it all worked out in my mind. All spinnaker
flying has been double handed up to now, with my wife at the helm
while I get it up or down.

Agreed. I have a 33 1/2 footer, and it's no joke to wrestle that large
expanse of fabric.

Last year we sprang for a geriatric aid, an ATN sock. Before that our
takedown (leeward) was fine as long as we were on the same jibe as we
had hoisted on.

Gee, and here I thought an ATN sock was great for guys in their 40s
G

But an odd number of jibes would leave us with the halyard and sheet
on opposite sides of the boat, where I couldn't reach them
simultaneously.

Our pole has both ends the same, so jibes are done dinghy style, and
only in light air. I don't see any way to do a dip pole without a
third person.

I've seen that operation suffer with four crew running it on a C&C 41,
so three on your boat would seem to be a minimum. If conditions are
perfect, one can manage it, but conditions are rarely perfect, and to
be short-handed is the sailmaker's joy at best, and potentially a
dangerous broach situation at worst. Been there, done that, and helped
pull the foredecker back on board with a wind five knots faster than
we should have had a bloody chute up. My fingerprints are still on the
barrel of the winch, I think G.

You sound like a great candidate for a cruising spinnaker, poleless
variety. I just got one, and I'll post my comments after I launch.

I don't know. I like being able to pull the pole back when attempting
to go way low. Even then, the J36 doesn't want to go really downwind.

We have had a couple of humdingers on a chartered J35, a masthead boat
with a bigger chute than the fractional 36. I believe you about the
fingerprints on the winch. :-)




Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a

Entering your freshman dorm for the first time, and seeing
an axe head come through the door on your right.

Spinnaker, was What's wrong with a Stopper Knot??
 

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 10:50:23 -0400, rhys wrote:

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:47:35 -0400, Rodney Myrvaagnes
wrote:

I can resist until I have it all worked out in my mind. All spinnaker
flying has been double handed up to now, with my wife at the helm
while I get it up or down.

Agreed. I have a 33 1/2 footer, and it's no joke to wrestle that large
expanse of fabric.

Last year we sprang for a geriatric aid, an ATN sock. Before that our
takedown (leeward) was fine as long as we were on the same jibe as we
had hoisted on.

Gee, and here I thought an ATN sock was great for guys in their 40s
G

But an odd number of jibes would leave us with the halyard and sheet
on opposite sides of the boat, where I couldn't reach them
simultaneously.

Our pole has both ends the same, so jibes are done dinghy style, and
only in light air. I don't see any way to do a dip pole without a
third person.

I've seen that operation suffer with four crew running it on a C&C 41,
so three on your boat would seem to be a minimum. If conditions are
perfect, one can manage it, but conditions are rarely perfect, and to
be short-handed is the sailmaker's joy at best, and potentially a
dangerous broach situation at worst. Been there, done that, and helped
pull the foredecker back on board with a wind five knots faster than
we should have had a bloody chute up. My fingerprints are still on the
barrel of the winch, I think G.

You sound like a great candidate for a cruising spinnaker, poleless
variety. I just got one, and I'll post my comments after I launch.

I don't know. I like being able to pull the pole back when attempting
to go way low. Even then, the J36 doesn't want to go really downwind.

We have had a couple of humdingers on a chartered J35, a masthead boat
with a bigger chute than the fractional 36. I believe you about the
fingerprints on the winch. :-)




Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a

Entering your freshman dorm for the first time, and seeing
an axe head come through the door on your right.

Spinnaker, was What's wrong with a Stopper Knot??
 

You can use the sock to 'partially furl' the spinnaker when gybing.
Just pull the sock down about ~30%. The spinn will keep flying but
easier to unload the pole,etc. Depending on the fullness cut of the
spinn, pulling down 30% with the sock, will sometimes let the spinn fly
free with some 'stability', at least enough to do an end-for-end
(dinghy style) pole gybe.

In article , Rodney
Myrvaagnes wrote:

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 10:37:39 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:47:35 -0400, Rodney Myrvaagnes
wrote:
Our pole has both ends the same, so jibes are done dinghy style, and
only in light air. I don't see any way to do a dip pole without a
third person.

===============================

It can be done with an autopilot and a little practice, at least in
light to moderate wind and seas.

The autopilot steers the boat on a dead run.

Boom is sheeted amidship, spinnaker pole, sheet and guy are squared.

Foredeck person goes forward to trip the pole off.

Cockpit person dips the topping lift.

Foredeck person brings pole through fore triangle and reclips to lazy
guy.

Cockpit person raises topping lift, foredeck returns to cockpit.

Mainsail is jibed over.

Sheets and guys retrimmed to new course.

Autopilot steers, crew returns to Margaritaville.

The advantage of sheeting the boom amidship during the jibe is that it
helps to keep the spinnaker full, and it is one less thing for the
cockpit person to be concerned with. This is risky in heavier air
however because the wind can catch the main and cause a broach.


Interesting. If the new autopilot seems capable of it, I will try that
as well. ALthough in light to moderate wind and seas we have no
trouble doing end-for-end.

In stronger winds we would use the sock.




Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a

Entering your freshman dorm for the first time, and seeing
an axe head come through the door on your right.

Spinnaker, was What's wrong with a Stopper Knot??
 

You can use the sock to 'partially furl' the spinnaker when gybing.
Just pull the sock down about ~30%. The spinn will keep flying but
easier to unload the pole,etc. Depending on the fullness cut of the
spinn, pulling down 30% with the sock, will sometimes let the spinn fly
free with some 'stability', at least enough to do an end-for-end
(dinghy style) pole gybe.

In article , Rodney
Myrvaagnes wrote:

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 10:37:39 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:47:35 -0400, Rodney Myrvaagnes
wrote:
Our pole has both ends the same, so jibes are done dinghy style, and
only in light air. I don't see any way to do a dip pole without a
third person.

===============================

It can be done with an autopilot and a little practice, at least in
light to moderate wind and seas.

The autopilot steers the boat on a dead run.

Boom is sheeted amidship, spinnaker pole, sheet and guy are squared.

Foredeck person goes forward to trip the pole off.

Cockpit person dips the topping lift.

Foredeck person brings pole through fore triangle and reclips to lazy
guy.

Cockpit person raises topping lift, foredeck returns to cockpit.

Mainsail is jibed over.

Sheets and guys retrimmed to new course.

Autopilot steers, crew returns to Margaritaville.

The advantage of sheeting the boom amidship during the jibe is that it
helps to keep the spinnaker full, and it is one less thing for the
cockpit person to be concerned with. This is risky in heavier air
however because the wind can catch the main and cause a broach.


Interesting. If the new autopilot seems capable of it, I will try that
as well. ALthough in light to moderate wind and seas we have no
trouble doing end-for-end.

In stronger winds we would use the sock.




Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a

Entering your freshman dorm for the first time, and seeing
an axe head come through the door on your right.

What's wrong with a Stopper Knot??
 

One other reason I prefer not to have heavy hardware on my genoa sheets
is
that a knot to the clew seems not to hang up while tacking with a staysail
inter stay. Especially in lite air.
**** Try using a 'buntline' instead of a bowline.... a square rig
sailor would never tie a bowline in a clew.

My staysail has a single row of reef points. I'm considering some additional
re-enforcements and use this as my 'poormans' storm staysail. It would be
about the right size.

I also use a downhaul on my staysail but it is called a Modified Gerr
Downhaul. In addition to hauling down the luff, it also gathers the clew up
to the gathered luff.
****Could you explain a little bit more on the Modif. Gerr Downhaul.

What's wrong with a Stopper Knot??
 

One other reason I prefer not to have heavy hardware on my genoa sheets
is
that a knot to the clew seems not to hang up while tacking with a staysail
inter stay. Especially in lite air.
**** Try using a 'buntline' instead of a bowline.... a square rig
sailor would never tie a bowline in a clew.

My staysail has a single row of reef points. I'm considering some additional
re-enforcements and use this as my 'poormans' storm staysail. It would be
about the right size.

I also use a downhaul on my staysail but it is called a Modified Gerr
Downhaul. In addition to hauling down the luff, it also gathers the clew up
to the gathered luff.
****Could you explain a little bit more on the Modif. Gerr Downhaul.

What's wrong with a Stopper Knot??
 

****Could you explain a little bit more on the Modif. Gerr Downhaul.


I think it is explained in one of my singlehanded sailing books.

Since I don't know what a 'unModified' Gerr Downhaul is, I will attempt to
discribe what my book illustrates. (the book is on the boat, otherwise I
would provide a illustration).

The downhaul line runs up the luff, either through the hanks or through
rings attached to the hank. (to play with the system, just run it up inside
the hank, parrallel to the stay. Then about half way down the luff the
downhaul line is led to the clew on one side, throught the clew cringle and
back to the next lower hank, then on down to the tack where it is reaved
through a fairlead block and back to the cockpit. On my boat, I run it along
the stantion bases just like the furler line in the other side...

Like I said, it ain't neat but it will get the staysail or hanked on jib
down to the deck and under control.. After things quiet down I might go
forward and put a couple gaskets on it and secure it to the life lines to
prevent chaff on the non skid deck.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

What's wrong with a Stopper Knot??
 

****Could you explain a little bit more on the Modif. Gerr Downhaul.


I think it is explained in one of my singlehanded sailing books.

Since I don't know what a 'unModified' Gerr Downhaul is, I will attempt to
discribe what my book illustrates. (the book is on the boat, otherwise I
would provide a illustration).

The downhaul line runs up the luff, either through the hanks or through
rings attached to the hank. (to play with the system, just run it up inside
the hank, parrallel to the stay. Then about half way down the luff the
downhaul line is led to the clew on one side, throught the clew cringle and
back to the next lower hank, then on down to the tack where it is reaved
through a fairlead block and back to the cockpit. On my boat, I run it along
the stantion bases just like the furler line in the other side...

Like I said, it ain't neat but it will get the staysail or hanked on jib
down to the deck and under control.. After things quiet down I might go
forward and put a couple gaskets on it and secure it to the life lines to
prevent chaff on the non skid deck.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

What's wrong with a Stopper Knot??
 

On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 08:23:16 -0700, "Steve" wrote:

My staysail has a single row of reef points. I'm considering some additional
re-enforcements and use this as my 'poormans' storm staysail. It would be
about the right size.

I figure if you are down to a storm staysail, it's getting pretty
wild. I believe that was the sail of choice in the Sydney Hobart
"weather bomb" race a few years ago. Me, I have a storm jib that's the
Dacron equivalent of elephant hide. Haven't had to fly it yet, but I
suspect it would make a fine riding sail at anchor pulled snug off the
backstay.

I also use a downhaul on my staysail but it is called a Modified Gerr
Downhaul. In addition to hauling down the luff, it also gathers the clew up
to the gathered luff. Not exactly elegant but the sail is secured on deck,
can't flog or fall overboard and I never have to leave the cockpit to do it
since the downhaul and the halyard are lead to the cock pit.

I will look that one up. Sometimes you want to get a big foresail down
in a hurry (like when it's shredding, as in what happened to me
rounding a headland and the wind jumped from seven to 22 knots,
munching my light No. 1). Windage and mess isn't as important as
getting most of it below the pulpit, and this idea, if I'm visualizing
it properly, will do that job quick 'n' dirty.

R.