What's wrong with a Stopper Knot??
 

On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 13:00:18 -0400, Rodney Myrvaagnes
wrote:


If I get enough confidence in the new autopilot I might try it this
year.

Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a

Good on you, Rodney. With a J-boat, how could you resist?

I wish they made a cruiser...G

R.

Spinnaker, was What's wrong with a Stopper Knot??
 

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 00:55:28 -0400, rhys wrote:

On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 13:00:18 -0400, Rodney Myrvaagnes
wrote:


If I get enough confidence in the new autopilot I might try it this
year.

Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a

Good on you, Rodney. With a J-boat, how could you resist?

I wish they made a cruiser...G


I can resist until I have it all worked out in my mind. All spinnaker
flying has been double handed up to now, with my wife at the helm
while I get it up or down.

Last year we sprang for a geriatric aid, an ATN sock. Before that our
takedown (leeward) was fine as long as we were on the same jibe as we
had hoisted on.

But an odd number of jibes would leave us with the halyard and sheet
on opposite sides of the boat, where I couldn't reach them
simultaneously.

Our pole has both ends the same, so jibes are done dinghy style, and
only in light air. I don't see any way to do a dip pole without a
third person.





Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a

Entering your freshman dorm for the first time, and seeing
an axe head come through the door on your right.

Spinnaker, was What's wrong with a Stopper Knot??
 

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 00:55:28 -0400, rhys wrote:

On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 13:00:18 -0400, Rodney Myrvaagnes
wrote:


If I get enough confidence in the new autopilot I might try it this
year.

Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a

Good on you, Rodney. With a J-boat, how could you resist?

I wish they made a cruiser...G


I can resist until I have it all worked out in my mind. All spinnaker
flying has been double handed up to now, with my wife at the helm
while I get it up or down.

Last year we sprang for a geriatric aid, an ATN sock. Before that our
takedown (leeward) was fine as long as we were on the same jibe as we
had hoisted on.

But an odd number of jibes would leave us with the halyard and sheet
on opposite sides of the boat, where I couldn't reach them
simultaneously.

Our pole has both ends the same, so jibes are done dinghy style, and
only in light air. I don't see any way to do a dip pole without a
third person.





Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a

Entering your freshman dorm for the first time, and seeing
an axe head come through the door on your right.

Spinnaker, was What's wrong with a Stopper Knot??
 

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:47:35 -0400, Rodney Myrvaagnes
wrote:
Our pole has both ends the same, so jibes are done dinghy style, and
only in light air. I don't see any way to do a dip pole without a
third person.

===============================

It can be done with an autopilot and a little practice, at least in
light to moderate wind and seas.

The autopilot steers the boat on a dead run.

Boom is sheeted amidship, spinnaker pole, sheet and guy are squared.

Foredeck person goes forward to trip the pole off.

Cockpit person dips the topping lift.

Foredeck person brings pole through fore triangle and reclips to lazy
guy.

Cockpit person raises topping lift, foredeck returns to cockpit.

Mainsail is jibed over.

Sheets and guys retrimmed to new course.

Autopilot steers, crew returns to Margaritaville.

The advantage of sheeting the boom amidship during the jibe is that it
helps to keep the spinnaker full, and it is one less thing for the
cockpit person to be concerned with. This is risky in heavier air
however because the wind can catch the main and cause a broach.

Spinnaker, was What's wrong with a Stopper Knot??
 

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:47:35 -0400, Rodney Myrvaagnes
wrote:
Our pole has both ends the same, so jibes are done dinghy style, and
only in light air. I don't see any way to do a dip pole without a
third person.

===============================

It can be done with an autopilot and a little practice, at least in
light to moderate wind and seas.

The autopilot steers the boat on a dead run.

Boom is sheeted amidship, spinnaker pole, sheet and guy are squared.

Foredeck person goes forward to trip the pole off.

Cockpit person dips the topping lift.

Foredeck person brings pole through fore triangle and reclips to lazy
guy.

Cockpit person raises topping lift, foredeck returns to cockpit.

Mainsail is jibed over.

Sheets and guys retrimmed to new course.

Autopilot steers, crew returns to Margaritaville.

The advantage of sheeting the boom amidship during the jibe is that it
helps to keep the spinnaker full, and it is one less thing for the
cockpit person to be concerned with. This is risky in heavier air
however because the wind can catch the main and cause a broach.

Spinnaker, was What's wrong with a Stopper Knot??
 

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:47:35 -0400, Rodney Myrvaagnes
wrote:

I can resist until I have it all worked out in my mind. All spinnaker
flying has been double handed up to now, with my wife at the helm
while I get it up or down.

Agreed. I have a 33 1/2 footer, and it's no joke to wrestle that large
expanse of fabric.

Last year we sprang for a geriatric aid, an ATN sock. Before that our
takedown (leeward) was fine as long as we were on the same jibe as we
had hoisted on.

Gee, and here I thought an ATN sock was great for guys in their 40s
G

But an odd number of jibes would leave us with the halyard and sheet
on opposite sides of the boat, where I couldn't reach them
simultaneously.

Our pole has both ends the same, so jibes are done dinghy style, and
only in light air. I don't see any way to do a dip pole without a
third person.

I've seen that operation suffer with four crew running it on a C&C 41,
so three on your boat would seem to be a minimum. If conditions are
perfect, one can manage it, but conditions are rarely perfect, and to
be short-handed is the sailmaker's joy at best, and potentially a
dangerous broach situation at worst. Been there, done that, and helped
pull the foredecker back on board with a wind five knots faster than
we should have had a bloody chute up. My fingerprints are still on the
barrel of the winch, I think G.

You sound like a great candidate for a cruising spinnaker, poleless
variety. I just got one, and I'll post my comments after I launch.

R.

Spinnaker, was What's wrong with a Stopper Knot??
 

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:47:35 -0400, Rodney Myrvaagnes
wrote:

I can resist until I have it all worked out in my mind. All spinnaker
flying has been double handed up to now, with my wife at the helm
while I get it up or down.

Agreed. I have a 33 1/2 footer, and it's no joke to wrestle that large
expanse of fabric.

Last year we sprang for a geriatric aid, an ATN sock. Before that our
takedown (leeward) was fine as long as we were on the same jibe as we
had hoisted on.

Gee, and here I thought an ATN sock was great for guys in their 40s
G

But an odd number of jibes would leave us with the halyard and sheet
on opposite sides of the boat, where I couldn't reach them
simultaneously.

Our pole has both ends the same, so jibes are done dinghy style, and
only in light air. I don't see any way to do a dip pole without a
third person.

I've seen that operation suffer with four crew running it on a C&C 41,
so three on your boat would seem to be a minimum. If conditions are
perfect, one can manage it, but conditions are rarely perfect, and to
be short-handed is the sailmaker's joy at best, and potentially a
dangerous broach situation at worst. Been there, done that, and helped
pull the foredecker back on board with a wind five knots faster than
we should have had a bloody chute up. My fingerprints are still on the
barrel of the winch, I think G.

You sound like a great candidate for a cruising spinnaker, poleless
variety. I just got one, and I'll post my comments after I launch.

R.

What's wrong with a Stopper Knot??
 

"rhys" wrote in message
...
it is to 'screw' around with a shackle and pin. I avoid any 'hardware' on
the jib/genoa clew.

Well, I *do* use Gibb shackles on the spinnaker sheets and guy, mainly
because the previous owner did, and those lines are still good. G


One other reason I prefer not to have heavy hardware on my genoa sheets is
that a knot to the clew seems not to hang up while tacking with a staysail
inter stay. Especially in lite air.

The idea of adding a reef point to a genoa is becoming rare, too, but
if you like hank-on, it's a good idea to consider.


My staysail has a single row of reef points. I'm considering some additional
re-enforcements and use this as my 'poormans' storm staysail. It would be
about the right size.

I also use a downhaul on my staysail but it is called a Modified Gerr
Downhaul. In addition to hauling down the luff, it also gathers the clew up
to the gathered luff. Not exactly elegant but the sail is secured on deck,
can't flog or fall overboard and I never have to leave the cockpit to do it
since the downhaul and the halyard are lead to the cock pit.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

What's wrong with a Stopper Knot??
 

"rhys" wrote in message
...
it is to 'screw' around with a shackle and pin. I avoid any 'hardware' on
the jib/genoa clew.

Well, I *do* use Gibb shackles on the spinnaker sheets and guy, mainly
because the previous owner did, and those lines are still good. G


One other reason I prefer not to have heavy hardware on my genoa sheets is
that a knot to the clew seems not to hang up while tacking with a staysail
inter stay. Especially in lite air.

The idea of adding a reef point to a genoa is becoming rare, too, but
if you like hank-on, it's a good idea to consider.


My staysail has a single row of reef points. I'm considering some additional
re-enforcements and use this as my 'poormans' storm staysail. It would be
about the right size.

I also use a downhaul on my staysail but it is called a Modified Gerr
Downhaul. In addition to hauling down the luff, it also gathers the clew up
to the gathered luff. Not exactly elegant but the sail is secured on deck,
can't flog or fall overboard and I never have to leave the cockpit to do it
since the downhaul and the halyard are lead to the cock pit.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

Spinnaker, was What's wrong with a Stopper Knot??
 

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 10:37:39 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:47:35 -0400, Rodney Myrvaagnes
wrote:
Our pole has both ends the same, so jibes are done dinghy style, and
only in light air. I don't see any way to do a dip pole without a
third person.

===============================

It can be done with an autopilot and a little practice, at least in
light to moderate wind and seas.

The autopilot steers the boat on a dead run.

Boom is sheeted amidship, spinnaker pole, sheet and guy are squared.

Foredeck person goes forward to trip the pole off.

Cockpit person dips the topping lift.

Foredeck person brings pole through fore triangle and reclips to lazy
guy.

Cockpit person raises topping lift, foredeck returns to cockpit.

Mainsail is jibed over.

Sheets and guys retrimmed to new course.

Autopilot steers, crew returns to Margaritaville.

The advantage of sheeting the boom amidship during the jibe is that it
helps to keep the spinnaker full, and it is one less thing for the
cockpit person to be concerned with. This is risky in heavier air
however because the wind can catch the main and cause a broach.


Interesting. If the new autopilot seems capable of it, I will try that
as well. ALthough in light to moderate wind and seas we have no
trouble doing end-for-end.

In stronger winds we would use the sock.




Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a

Entering your freshman dorm for the first time, and seeing
an axe head come through the door on your right.