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claus July 14th 08 06:05 PM

Radio Call Signs
 
Are "Call Signs" ever used in VHF communications to/from/between boats? I
know they are part of the FCC radio license - but is they just a "leftover"
from land based radio stations?

Just curious...



Thomas Flores July 14th 08 07:12 PM

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To have a call sign you have to have a license. No one gets operator or
station licenses for the VHF.


"claus" wrote in message
. ..
Are "Call Signs" ever used in VHF communications to/from/between boats? I
know they are part of the FCC radio license - but is they just a
"leftover" from land based radio stations?

Just curious...




claus July 14th 08 07:34 PM

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In the U.S., the FCC issues Operator and Station licenses to recreational
boaters, who intend to operate a VHF radio outside the US., e.g. in Canadian
waters.


"Thomas Flores" wrote in message
...
To have a call sign you have to have a license. No one gets operator or
station licenses for the VHF.


"claus" wrote in message
. ..
Are "Call Signs" ever used in VHF communications to/from/between boats? I
know they are part of the FCC radio license - but is they just a
"leftover" from land based radio stations?

Just curious...






Larry July 14th 08 10:05 PM

Radio Call Signs
 
"claus" wrote in
:

Are "Call Signs" ever used in VHF communications to/from/between
boats? I know they are part of the FCC radio license - but is they
just a "leftover" from land based radio stations?

Just curious...



They are in all foreign ports, and are required. Inside the USA, FCC has
been forgotten with the "unlicensed class" on VHF.....

Callsigns must always be used in international waters and foreign ports of
call.

DE WDB6254, S/V "Lionheart".

damned thing sounds like a CB call of old....

Larry W4CSC
Ahh...that's better.


Larry July 14th 08 10:07 PM

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wrote in :

The most frequent one lately is "Channel 16 is for distress calls
only, Coast Guard Sector Long Island, OUT!"



If you want to find out how far this lack of station license usage as gone,
just call your local USCG radio operator using his call instead of "Coast
Guard Base, Charleston"!

If you call them by their callsign with your callsign, you probably won't
even get an answer....(c;


Don White July 14th 08 10:53 PM

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"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:05:41 -0700, "claus" said:

Are "Call Signs" ever used in VHF communications to/from/between boats? I
know they are part of the FCC radio license - but is they just a
"leftover"
from land based radio stations?


Back in the dark ages when VHF recreational users had to get a license,
the
rule (only sporadically observed) was that on initiating transmission you
were to give the name of the vessel followed by its call sign. (I'll
probably never forget "this is "Queequeg" whiskey Romeo Zulu 2187").
Current
recommendation I believe is that you do the same, using your registration
or
documentation number to identify the vessel.

In practice, at least on LIS, one is lucky if the first transmission he
hears isn't something like "Hey Joe, you out here?"


huh? ("this is "Queequeg" whiskey Romeo Zulu 2187").
In the phonetic alphabet... Quebec stands for 'Q'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_phonetic_alphabet



Bruce in alaska July 14th 08 11:31 PM

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In article ,
Dave wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:27:57 -0400, said:

In practice, at least on LIS, one is lucky if the first transmission he
hears isn't something like "Hey Joe, you out here?"


The most frequent one lately is "Channel 16 is for distress calls
only, Coast Guard Sector Long Island, OUT!"


That comes right after the "Hey Joe, you out here?" on 16.


and the above USCG Transmission does NOT follow the International
Telecommunication Union (ITU) Regulations, which the USA is Signatory
to. What that Coastie, was supposed to say is "Channel 16 is for Calling
and Distress Communications only, Please move your traffic to a working
Frequency, Coast Guard Sector Long Island, OUT!"

Since the USCG is now the only Enforcement Agency listening on Maritime
Mobile Frequencies, these days, and they put their least experienced
trainees on the Mic, I really don't expect anything better.

If your vessel doesn't make International Voyages, (Stays inside US
Waters, ALWAYS) AND you are a non-commercial vessel, AND you only have a
VHF Radio, and or Radar, and or Epirb fitted, then you are covered
under a National Blanket License under CFR 47Part80, and your Official
Radio Callsign would be WUS and your Documentation Number or State
Registration Number. For all practical purposes, you would mostly just
use the Name of your vessel, and leave it at that. However, should
you be asked by an FCC Field Agent, or a USCG Person you would reply
with the above information, that would identify your vessel, absolutely.
If you do NOT meet the above requirements, then you are REQUIRED to
apply for, receive, and POST, a valid FCC Marine Radio Station License,
as well as a valid FCC Operators License of the REQUIRED class for your
vessel, and it's operation. Operators Licenses can be one of the
following, depending on the vessel and it voyages:
Restricted Radiotelephone Permit
Marine Radio Operators Permit
General Radio Telephone Operator License
GMDSS Radio Operator License
GMDSS Radio Maintainer License

--
Bruce in alaska
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Herodotus July 15th 08 12:31 AM

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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:05:13 +0000, Larry wrote:

"claus" wrote in
:

Are "Call Signs" ever used in VHF communications to/from/between
boats? I know they are part of the FCC radio license - but is they
just a "leftover" from land based radio stations?

Just curious...



They are in all foreign ports, and are required. Inside the USA, FCC has
been forgotten with the "unlicensed class" on VHF.....

Callsigns must always be used in international waters and foreign ports of
call.

DE WDB6254, S/V "Lionheart".

damned thing sounds like a CB call of old....

Larry W4CSC
Ahh...that's better.


In parts of Indonesia, they using various whistling tones to call
someone. Nothing said until the conversation starts.

Peter

Bruce in Bangkok[_7_] July 15th 08 01:00 AM

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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:05:41 -0700, "claus"
wrote:

Are "Call Signs" ever used in VHF communications to/from/between boats? I
know they are part of the FCC radio license - but is they just a "leftover"
from land based radio stations?

Just curious...


Probably not "amateurs" but commercial shipping still use call signs,
particularly when calling shore stations.

In Singapore if you call the Marine Traffic Control station they
immediately ask for your vessel name and call sign, however, yesterday
I heard a cargo vessel calling Phuket Port for docking information and
he used only his vessel name


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

Bruce in Bangkok[_7_] July 15th 08 01:07 AM

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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:31:41 +1000, Herodotus
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:05:13 +0000, Larry wrote:

"claus" wrote in
m:

Are "Call Signs" ever used in VHF communications to/from/between
boats? I know they are part of the FCC radio license - but is they
just a "leftover" from land based radio stations?

Just curious...



They are in all foreign ports, and are required. Inside the USA, FCC has
been forgotten with the "unlicensed class" on VHF.....

Callsigns must always be used in international waters and foreign ports of
call.

DE WDB6254, S/V "Lionheart".

damned thing sounds like a CB call of old....

Larry W4CSC
Ahh...that's better.


In parts of Indonesia, they using various whistling tones to call
someone. Nothing said until the conversation starts.

Peter


They also jabber on channel 16 a lot. Same same Malaysia. Came through
Malacca Harbour one night and have never heard so much talk. Even some
young lady that appeared to be advertising herself, albeit in vague
terms, Made me wonder what one could have done if there was an
emergency.

P.S. my spelling checker says "harbour" is a misspelled word :-)


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

Herodotus July 15th 08 01:21 AM

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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 07:07:12 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:


In parts of Indonesia, they using various whistling tones to call
someone. Nothing said until the conversation starts.

Peter


They also jabber on channel 16 a lot. Same same Malaysia. Came through
Malacca Harbour one night and have never heard so much talk. Even some
young lady that appeared to be advertising herself, albeit in vague
terms, Made me wonder what one could have done if there was an
emergency.

P.S. my spelling checker says "harbour" is a misspelled word :-)


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)


Hi Bruce,
Try getting a civilised one, not a pigeon-English variety.

If God had intended Americans to speak like pigeons he would have
given them wings and given them crops to produce pigeon's milk for
their offspring instead of two breasts.

cheers
Peter

Wayne.B July 15th 08 02:03 AM

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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:05:13 +0000, Larry wrote:

Callsigns must always be used in international waters and foreign ports of
call.


Oh yes, especially in the Bahamas where everyone carries a VHF hand
held on shore to call taxis, make restaurant reservations, etc. Never
have heard a call sign there. The local convention is that channel 6
is for taxi service.


Herodotus July 15th 08 02:06 AM

Radio Call Signs
 
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 07:07:12 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:



They also jabber on channel 16 a lot. Same same Malaysia. Came through
Malacca Harbour one night and have never heard so much talk. Even some
young lady that appeared to be advertising herself, albeit in vague
terms, Made me wonder what one could have done if there was an
emergency.

P.S. my spelling checker says "harbour" is a misspelled word :-)


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)


Actually Bruce, I wonder whether the proliferation of the web and
various software packages will tend to nullify the differences between
the various branches of English in the not so distant future. I have
noticed that a lot of younger IT professionals spell "programme" as
the American "program" and nobody (including me) cares.

After all, the differences in American - British spelling probably
originate from the time US English was isolated from your colonial
masters. Reading Captain Cook's English and his spelling is not the
same as it would have been if he wrote today.

After all, the meaning is what is important and there are cultural
differences between the two. When I ask for a rubber at a shop I don't
expect to be handed a packet of condoms when I need an "eraser".

cheers
Peter

Herodotus July 15th 08 02:46 AM

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After all, the meaning is what is important and there are cultural
differences between the two. When I ask for a rubber at a shop I don't
expect to be handed a packet of condoms when I need an "eraser".

cheers
Peter


Then simply ask for an eraser, if that's what you want.


\Because every school kid here and in the UK knows them as rubbers

Larry July 15th 08 03:29 AM

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Herodotus wrote in
:

In parts of Indonesia, they using various whistling tones to call
someone. Nothing said until the conversation starts.

Peter



Our shrimp boat operators have their own colourful language on VHF with
plenty of variable expletives only heard on marine VHF, and formerly on CB
Channel 11 before they had VHF on the boats...way back when.

The coastal Geechee language is mixed with Gullah and some Vietnamese
dialects of late, adding to the maelstrom on the channel.

It's best to keep the children off that channel, especially as the day and
tempers flare into thunderstorms, both physical and mental.


Larry July 15th 08 03:30 AM

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Herodotus wrote in
:

If God had intended Americans to speak like pigeons he would have
given them wings and given them crops to produce pigeon's milk for
their offspring instead of two breasts.

cheers
Peter



Hey, watch it! I spelled it colourful in another post just for you guys!


Larry July 15th 08 03:32 AM

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Herodotus wrote in
:

When I ask for a rubber at a shop I don't
expect to be handed a packet of condoms when I need an "eraser".

cheers
Peter


I said, "I'm ****ed!", in an English pub and they all offered to drive me
home....(c;


Larry July 15th 08 03:39 AM

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Bruce in alaska wrote in news:fast-33E805.14314714072008
@netnews.worldnet.att.net:

Since the USCG is now the only Enforcement Agency listening on Maritime
Mobile Frequencies, these days, and they put their least experienced
trainees on the Mic, I really don't expect anything better.



In Charleston, that's not quite right, either. They put their least
experienced trainees IN THE SAME ROOM AS THE MIC, here....and the only way
you can hear what he's saying is to run the volume up full, risking to have
your speaker blown out when the other station he's talking to answers him.

I've offered to bring an IFR analyzer down to the CG base and set the gain
and deviation on the damned old FM radio they use down there but was
refused so the 800 Hz PEAK deviation continues for years. CG will never
create adjacent channel interference with their TRUE narrow band FM
transmitter.....

.....you can't understand the watch standers who mumble at all.....dammit.


Larry July 15th 08 03:41 AM

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wrote in :

I don't
know where they went after that.


Probably 13....(c;


Jere Lull July 15th 08 04:18 AM

Radio Call Signs
 
On 2008-07-14 20:07:12 -0400, Bruce in Bangkok
said:

P.S. my spelling checker says "harbour" is a misspelled word :-)


Switch your system to "British" English (or Australian, Canadian
English, Hawaiian (!?), or Irish).

Well, at least if you've a Mac, of course.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/


Jere Lull July 15th 08 04:33 AM

Radio Call Signs
 
On 2008-07-14 13:05:41 -0400, "claus" said:

Are "Call Signs" ever used in VHF communications to/from/between boats? I
know they are part of the FCC radio license - but is they just a "leftover"
from land based radio stations?


Rarely used around here other than the various law enforcement entities
and CG Auxiliary, and even then often dropped or shortened after
initial contact.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/


Jere Lull July 15th 08 04:38 AM

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On 2008-07-14 22:32:50 -0400, Larry said:

Herodotus wrote in
:

When I ask for a rubber at a shop I don't
expect to be handed a packet of condoms when I need an "eraser".

cheers
Peter


I said, "I'm ****ed!", in an English pub and they all offered to drive me
home....(c;


Two nations separated by a common language.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/


Bruce in alaska July 15th 08 09:03 PM

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In article ,
Dave wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:31:48 GMT, Bruce in alaska said:

the above USCG Transmission does NOT follow the International
Telecommunication Union (ITU) Regulations, which the USA is Signatory
to. What that Coastie, was supposed to say is "Channel 16 is for Calling
and Distress Communications only, Please move your traffic to a working
Frequency, Coast Guard Sector Long Island, OUT!"


If you are correct about the regulations, it sounds to me like the
regulations are out of date, and the Coastie was right. Channel 16 used to
be the calling channel as well as the distress communications channel. But
now the calling channel is Ch 9, with 16 reserved for distress
communications.


Nope, you got it WRONG, Channel 16, IS for Calling and Distress
Communications ONLY, and that is an ITU Regulation, WORLDWIDE.
The USA has seen fit to move non-commercial Calling, ON A SECONDARY
BASIS, to Channel 9, basically to get the Weekend Warriors off Channel
16, with their incessant "Hey Joe, are you there", crap. You will NOT
find any of the Commercial Users, Calling on Channel 9, as this is a
LIMITED, SECONDARY BASIS, Usage for non-commercial vessels. The Weekend
Warriors, will never be able to learn proper Marine VHF Operating Rules
or Language, mostly because they NEVER have read 47CFR80, which are
the Rules for the Maritime Mobile Radio Service, in the US, which they
use. They just figure if they pay their money for their spiffy new
"Boat", get all the latest, spiffy new Radio's and Electronics, and
stick all the Manuals in a drawer, that they should be able to call
"Joe" whenever, wherever, and on any channel they choose. Even if it is
a Commercial ONLY VHF Channel, or a Ship to Shore ONLY VHF Channel.
Fortunately, fitting an MF/HF Radio that carries into the rest of the
WORLD, does require a Station License, AND an Operators License, which
then REQUIRES the Skipper to have at least Read the Rules, one would
Hope. Don't get "Me" wrong here, the Commercial Guys have their own
set of BS, as well. Like, having the Cruise Ships using Channel 68,
to communicate with their Tenders and Lighters. However, the USCG
doesn't guard Channel 68, to nothing ever happens to these YAHOO's
when they co-opt CH 68, instead of using Channel 67, or Channel 8, like
their supposed to. These two are specifically set aside for Intership
Commercial Communications ONLY. Oh well, Now that I am ReTired, it isn't
my problem anymore, but it still gets my Blood Pressure Up.

--
Bruce in alaska
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Jere Lull July 16th 08 05:26 AM

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On 2008-07-15 06:07:13 -0400, said:

On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 02:41:43 +0000, Larry wrote:

wrote in :

I don't know where they went after that.


Probably 13....(c;


An excellent guess. I know they didn't, though because that's one of
the channels I always scan.


Used for drawbridges and tug traffic around here, so it's on my scan.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages:
http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/


Bruce in Bangkok[_7_] July 16th 08 10:37 AM

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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:06:20 +1000, Herodotus
wrote:

On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 07:07:12 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:



They also jabber on channel 16 a lot. Same same Malaysia. Came through
Malacca Harbour one night and have never heard so much talk. Even some
young lady that appeared to be advertising herself, albeit in vague
terms, Made me wonder what one could have done if there was an
emergency.

P.S. my spelling checker says "harbour" is a misspelled word :-)


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)


Actually Bruce, I wonder whether the proliferation of the web and
various software packages will tend to nullify the differences between
the various branches of English in the not so distant future. I have
noticed that a lot of younger IT professionals spell "programme" as
the American "program" and nobody (including me) cares.

After all, the differences in American - British spelling probably
originate from the time US English was isolated from your colonial
masters. Reading Captain Cook's English and his spelling is not the
same as it would have been if he wrote today.

After all, the meaning is what is important and there are cultural
differences between the two. When I ask for a rubber at a shop I don't
expect to be handed a packet of condoms when I need an "eraser".

cheers
Peter



And I can hear the Parts Guy now when you trip into the car parts
place and want a "bonnet" for your auto....


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

Bruce in Bangkok[_7_] July 16th 08 10:43 AM

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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 02:32:50 +0000, Larry wrote:

Herodotus wrote in
:

When I ask for a rubber at a shop I don't
expect to be handed a packet of condoms when I need an "eraser".

cheers
Peter


I said, "I'm ****ed!", in an English pub and they all offered to drive me
home....(c;



Or you tell a gal, "I'll knock you up in the morning" and she says,
"Ta".


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

Larry July 17th 08 02:37 AM

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Bruce in Bangkok wrote in
:

And I can hear the Parts Guy now when you trip into the car parts
place and want a "bonnet" for your auto....



or a boot?


Larry July 17th 08 02:40 AM

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Larry wrote in news:Xns9ADDDC73BC9CBnoonehomecom@
208.49.80.253:

Bruce in Bangkok wrote in
:

And I can hear the Parts Guy now when you trip into the car parts
place and want a "bonnet" for your auto....



or a boot?



Six Canadians just looked at each other and said, "A boot what?"

about = "aboot"


Bruce in alaska July 17th 08 10:20 PM

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In article ,
Dave wrote:

I'm talking real world here. The world of gummint regulations is different.
Do you really use 16 to hail other boats up there?


Just about ALL commercial Vessels use 16 for Calling, no matter where
they are in the world. It is what Channel 16 was meant to be used for,
and why ALL commercial vessels are required to maintain a Watch on
Channel 16 while navigating, no matter the size of the vessel. Channel 16
provides a Common Place for ALL Maritime VHF Radios to be, when trying
to contact another Station, for any reason, not just for Distress
reasons. Having been in the Radio Regulation Enforcement Biz for many
years, it never ceases to amaze me, what folks think, and say about, how
Maritime Mobile Radio is supposed to work, and why things are they way
they are. Weekend Warriors are NOT the largest users of Maritime Radios
on this planet, contrary to popular belief, and the Maritime Mobile Radio
Service wasn't put in place just for their specific pleasure, or usage.

--
Bruce in alaska
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[email protected] July 17th 08 10:52 PM

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On Jul 17, 2:20*pm, Bruce in alaska wrote:
...
Just about ALL commercial Vessels use 16 for Calling, no matter where
they are in the world. It is what Channel 16 was meant to be used for,
and why ALL commercial vessels are required to maintain a Watch on
Channel 16 while navigating, no matter the size of the vessel. ...


Yes but there are important exceptions. In many places in the US of A
commercial vessels maintain a watch on 13 & VTS and do not watch 16.
See 33 CFR 26 particularly 26.04 (d). This is unfortunate and can be
confusing but if your life depends on getting in touch with a tug here
in SF Bay you better call on 13.

-- Tom.

Capt. JG July 17th 08 11:01 PM

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wrote in message
...
On Jul 17, 2:20 pm, Bruce in alaska wrote:
....
Just about ALL commercial Vessels use 16 for Calling, no matter where
they are in the world. It is what Channel 16 was meant to be used for,
and why ALL commercial vessels are required to maintain a Watch on
Channel 16 while navigating, no matter the size of the vessel. ...


Yes but there are important exceptions. In many places in the US of A
commercial vessels maintain a watch on 13 & VTS and do not watch 16.
See 33 CFR 26 particularly 26.04 (d). This is unfortunate and can be
confusing but if your life depends on getting in touch with a tug here
in SF Bay you better call on 13.

-- Tom.


Yes... there have been a couple of incidents where people didn't do this and
had problems. Monitor 14, hail on 13.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com




Capt. JG July 18th 08 12:00 AM

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wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:01:13 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Jul 17, 2:20 pm, Bruce in alaska wrote:
...
Just about ALL commercial Vessels use 16 for Calling, no matter where
they are in the world. It is what Channel 16 was meant to be used for,
and why ALL commercial vessels are required to maintain a Watch on
Channel 16 while navigating, no matter the size of the vessel. ...


Yes but there are important exceptions. In many places in the US of A
commercial vessels maintain a watch on 13 & VTS and do not watch 16.
See 33 CFR 26 particularly 26.04 (d). This is unfortunate and can be
confusing but if your life depends on getting in touch with a tug here
in SF Bay you better call on 13.

-- Tom.


Yes... there have been a couple of incidents where people didn't do this
and
had problems. Monitor 14, hail on 13.




I thought channel 13 was officially designated for bridge to bridge
traffic.
Bridges of ships, and the operators of those spans over the river. Why
would you
monitor 14 if the hailing will be on 13?



Ship to VTS comm. is on 14 on the bay. Commercial vessels hail "traffic" and
that's nice to monitor.


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com




Capt. JG July 18th 08 12:45 AM

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"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:20:45 GMT, Bruce in alaska said:

I'm talking real world here. The world of gummint regulations is
different.
Do you really use 16 to hail other boats up there?

[snip]

Weekend Warriors are NOT the largest users of Maritime Radios
on this planet, contrary to popular belief


Perhaps I should have phrased the question with more specificity. Didn't
think it was necessary given the name of the group. So let's try again:

Do pleasure boaters generally use 16 to hail other boats up there?



How do you tell? I think these days people use their cell phones. They could
use Nextel and pretend their walkie-talkies. "Got your ears on good buddy?"

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com




Ryk July 18th 08 03:39 PM

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On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:20:45 GMT, in message

Bruce in alaska wrote:

Having been in the Radio Regulation Enforcement Biz for many
years, it never ceases to amaze me, what folks think, and say about, how
Maritime Mobile Radio is supposed to work, and why things are they way
they are.


In my neck of the woods (Eastern Lake Ontario) 16 remains the only
calling channel. (and Canadian marinas monitor 68)

I used to have a VHF station license for my boat, but dropped it when
the local requirement went away. Somebody recently suggested to me
that I would need a station license to legitimately operate my radio
(on a Canadian registered vessel) in US waters. I do have an
operator's license. Do I need more to be legit in the US?

Ryk


Larry July 18th 08 04:49 PM

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Ryk wrote in
:

Do I need more to be legit in the US?


Let's make a deal. You get your bureaucrats to stop forcing us to buy an
expensive ship license just to go to Canada......and we'll get our
bureaucrats to stop forcing you to buy an expensive ship license just to go
to Florida.

Deal?

One of the benefits of the "New World Order" finally creating the North
American Union will be "local" will be all the way to the southern tip of
Mexico and our Ameros will all be the same money. No license will be
necessary for any NAU ship in this hemisphere....


Roger Long July 18th 08 07:30 PM

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Amazing. This whole long thread and the original question never got
answered, or, if it did, I missed it.

Let me rephrase and see if I can get an answer I was wondering about.

I have the licences because I plan to take my VHF to Canada and yack on it
there. I therefore have a call sign other than my boat registration
number.

Question: Should I use the radio call sign instead of the boat
registration?

I suspect, and what I will do unless someone tells me different, is use the
boat registration in US waters because this is what is expected and is most
in line with the licensing regime. Once in Canadian waters where the
applicabile regulations require the ship station and operators' licences,
thus the call sign, I will switch over to using the callsign.

Question: Does this make sense?

--
Roger Long



[email protected] July 18th 08 07:40 PM

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On Jul 18, 11:30*am, "Roger Long" wrote:
...
I suspect, and what I will do unless someone tells me different, is use the
boat registration in US waters because this is what is expected and is most
in line with the licensing regime. *Once in Canadian waters where the
applicabile regulations require the ship station and operators' licences,
thus the call sign, I will switch over to using the callsign.

Question: Does this make sense? ...


I have a license and I always use vessel name followed by call sign
both US and foreign. That's the way the pro's do it, too. I can't
imagine anyone having a problem with it or preferring the rego to the
call sign.

-- Tom.


Roger Long July 18th 08 08:21 PM

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That probably does make more sense and avoids switching procedures at a time
when there is apt to be a lot else on your mind. Also, not giving out the
registration which anyone can read on the dock provides a little anonymity.

I can't recall ever hearing any yacht giving either, come to think of it.

--
Roger Long



Edgar July 18th 08 09:05 PM

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"Larry" wrote in message
...
Ryk wrote in
:

Do I need more to be legit in the US?


Let's make a deal. You get your bureaucrats to stop forcing us to buy an
expensive ship license just to go to Canada......and we'll get our
bureaucrats to stop forcing you to buy an expensive ship license just to
go
to Florida.

Deal?

One of the benefits of the "New World Order" finally creating the North
American Union will be "local" will be all the way to the southern tip of
Mexico and our Ameros will all be the same money. No license will be
necessary for any NAU ship in this hemisphere....



Hi Larry.
Maybe you can answer this one for me.
I imported my boat from USA and it was equipped with a nice little Standard
Horizon Eclipse + VHF set.
Over here you need a licence to use VHF even on a pleasure boat and they
refused to licence this set for me, saying that it had 'American channels'
on it and could not be licenced in Europe.
I had to state on my licence application exactly what set I was using
and.had to replace it with a locally approved ICOM set.
I had powered up the Standard Horizon and channel 16 seemed to be the same
and all the other channels had familiar numbers. I found no problem picking
up ship-to ship traffic either.
Certainly there were some additional channels, which I gather were weather
channels, which were unfamiliar to me...
Are the niumbered channels the same everywhere, even if in different areas
their designated usage may vary?
Do you think they were unreasonable to make me take this set out?
...



Bruce in alaska July 18th 08 10:12 PM

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In article ,
Ryk wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:20:45 GMT, in message

Bruce in alaska wrote:

Having been in the Radio Regulation Enforcement Biz for many
years, it never ceases to amaze me, what folks think, and say about, how
Maritime Mobile Radio is supposed to work, and why things are they way
they are.


In my neck of the woods (Eastern Lake Ontario) 16 remains the only
calling channel. (and Canadian marinas monitor 68)

I used to have a VHF station license for my boat, but dropped it when
the local requirement went away. Somebody recently suggested to me
that I would need a station license to legitimately operate my radio
(on a Canadian registered vessel) in US waters. I do have an
operator's license. Do I need more to be legit in the US?

Ryk


Yes, to legally operate your VHF Radio in US Waters you are REQUIRED
by International Convention (ITU International Telecommunication Union)
to have a current Radio Station License issued by the Country of your
FLAG.

--
Bruce in alaska
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