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Dave wrote: On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:20:45 GMT, Bruce in alaska said: I'm talking real world here. The world of gummint regulations is different. Do you really use 16 to hail other boats up there? [snip] Weekend Warriors are NOT the largest users of Maritime Radios on this planet, contrary to popular belief Perhaps I should have phrased the question with more specificity. Didn't think it was necessary given the name of the group. So let's try again: Do pleasure boaters generally use 16 to hail other boats up there? Since "Pleasure boaters" are a small minority of vessels navigating the alaskan waters, YES, they usually do their calling on VHF Ch 16, UNLESS it is to call a Traveling Mate vessel on a prearranged Channel, like VHF Ch 9. All the local Harbor Masters monitor Ch 16, as well as their working Channel, which in my area is Ch 9. I just spent the last three days listening to the USCG Cutter Liberty, doing boardings of "Pleasure boats" out in Icy Straights, and they did ALL their calling on Ch 16, and working on Ch 22A. Only heard one guy, who couldn't figure out how to switch to 22A, and they did work him on Ch 9, after convincing him that Ch 16 was not the place to communicate traffic. He also failed the Boarding Inspection, and is now tied up to My Dock, as the closest Port of Call, waiting for a package from town, to fullfill his lack of Emergency Flares and a Whistle. Amazing for a $250K "Pleasure boat".... Had a nice chat with the CPO, at the Port Captian's Office for Southeastern Alaska, about what it would take to send this fellow on his way. As soon as Possible. Don't want him pumping his bilge at my dock, either by accident or on purpose. -- Bruce in alaska add path after fast to reply |
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In article ions,
"Capt. JG" wrote: "Dave" wrote in message ... On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:20:45 GMT, Bruce in alaska said: I'm talking real world here. The world of gummint regulations is different. Do you really use 16 to hail other boats up there? [snip] Weekend Warriors are NOT the largest users of Maritime Radios on this planet, contrary to popular belief Perhaps I should have phrased the question with more specificity. Didn't think it was necessary given the name of the group. So let's try again: Do pleasure boaters generally use 16 to hail other boats up there? How do you tell? I think these days people use their cell phones. They could use Nextel and pretend their walkie-talkies. "Got your ears on good buddy?" You listen to the Traffic on Channel 16, Channel 9, and having done so as a Regulator in the past, knowing what to listen for. -- Bruce in alaska add path after fast to reply |
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, " wrote: On Jul 17, 2:20*pm, Bruce in alaska wrote: ... Just about ALL commercial Vessels use 16 for Calling, no matter where they are in the world. It is what Channel 16 was meant to be used for, and why ALL commercial vessels are required to maintain a Watch on Channel 16 while navigating, no matter the size of the vessel. ... Yes but there are important exceptions. In many places in the US of A commercial vessels maintain a watch on 13 & VTS and do not watch 16. See 33 CFR 26 particularly 26.04 (d). This is unfortunate and can be confusing but if your life depends on getting in touch with a tug here in SF Bay you better call on 13. -- Tom. Well actually, if a vessel is REQUIRED to be under VTS Control, then they are exempt from maintaining a Watch on Ch 16 while under VTS Control, but the VTS System Operators are then responsible to forward any Distress or Safety Traffic to ALL vessels under their control. Any Navigation Traffic would be passed on the Bridge to Bridge Channel 13. Once you understand that ALL Vessels over 20 Meters in length, or Towing, are Required to comply with the Bridge to Bridge Radiotelephone Act, which requires a continuous Watch on Vhf Ch. 13 while the vessel is Navigating. Then if you are near a VTS System, as a Voluntary Equipped Vessel would use Ch 13 to pass any Navigation Traffic to a VTS controlled Vessel. Traffic going from a VTS controlled vessel to a voluntary Equipped Vessel would use the VTS Channel Radio to temporarily move to Ch 16 for calling, and move to Ch 13 for working the voluntary Equipped Vessel. Most Bridge to Bridge REQUIRED Vessels have a Third VHF Fitted just to relieve the above situation, and as a Hot Standby Spare, should one of the other REQUIRED Radios Fail. -- Bruce in alaska add path after fast to reply |
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"Bruce in alaska" wrote in message
... In article ions, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Dave" wrote in message ... On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:20:45 GMT, Bruce in alaska said: I'm talking real world here. The world of gummint regulations is different. Do you really use 16 to hail other boats up there? [snip] Weekend Warriors are NOT the largest users of Maritime Radios on this planet, contrary to popular belief Perhaps I should have phrased the question with more specificity. Didn't think it was necessary given the name of the group. So let's try again: Do pleasure boaters generally use 16 to hail other boats up there? How do you tell? I think these days people use their cell phones. They could use Nextel and pretend their walkie-talkies. "Got your ears on good buddy?" You listen to the Traffic on Channel 16, Channel 9, and having done so as a Regulator in the past, knowing what to listen for. -- Bruce in alaska add path after fast to reply No, what I was saying was that how do you know if boaters are using their cell phones... the answer is that they have their hand glued to their ear. LOL -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:05:44 +0200, "Edgar"
wrote: "Larry" wrote in message .. . Ryk wrote in : Do I need more to be legit in the US? Let's make a deal. You get your bureaucrats to stop forcing us to buy an expensive ship license just to go to Canada......and we'll get our bureaucrats to stop forcing you to buy an expensive ship license just to go to Florida. Deal? One of the benefits of the "New World Order" finally creating the North American Union will be "local" will be all the way to the southern tip of Mexico and our Ameros will all be the same money. No license will be necessary for any NAU ship in this hemisphere.... Hi Larry. Maybe you can answer this one for me. I imported my boat from USA and it was equipped with a nice little Standard Horizon Eclipse + VHF set. Over here you need a licence to use VHF even on a pleasure boat and they refused to licence this set for me, saying that it had 'American channels' on it and could not be licenced in Europe. I had to state on my licence application exactly what set I was using and.had to replace it with a locally approved ICOM set. I had powered up the Standard Horizon and channel 16 seemed to be the same and all the other channels had familiar numbers. I found no problem picking up ship-to ship traffic either. Certainly there were some additional channels, which I gather were weather channels, which were unfamiliar to me... Are the niumbered channels the same everywhere, even if in different areas their designated usage may vary? Do you think they were unreasonable to make me take this set out? .. Apparently there are different channels depending on whether you are in the US or outside as my ICOM has a selection - USA and INT. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) |
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On Jul 18, 2:44*pm, Bruce in alaska wrote:
... Well actually, if a vessel is REQUIRED to be under VTS Control, then they are exempt from maintaining a Watch on Ch 16 while under VTS Control, but the VTS System Operators are then responsible to forward any Distress or Safety Traffic to ALL vessels under their control. Amen. Just want to point out that VTS isn't a radio relay service so you have to remember to call commercial traffic on 13 when in a VTS area. -- Tom. |
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"Roger Long" wrote in
: Once in Canadian waters where the applicabile regulations require the ship station and operators' licences, thus the call sign, I will switch over to using the callsign. "Stray Dog, Stray Dog, this is Lionheart, WDB6254, ovah?" (long hissing noise while Joe rummages around looking for the wireless VHF mic I installed with the new radio on Stray Dog.) "Lionheart, Lionheart this is Stray Dog, WDF4261, go to 68, out." Same exchange on Channel 68, if it's clear, of course. AS you won't be there over a couple of minutes, you only need to id upon COMPLETION of your transmissions. As far as I've ever known, you are not required to use the callsign of the other ship, and that is common practice identifying your station, even on HF. Unlike ham radio, where we are REQUIRED to give our callsign at LEAST every 10 minutes during our monologues which can go on for hours, ad nauseum, I don't think I've ever seen an ID interval for marine radio like that. It would be a good idea, however, to just say, "WDB6254 for ID" every 10 minutes if the transmissions are going to be that long....****ing everyone off on the channel. "NMB, NMB, NMB this is WDB6254, sailing vessel "Lionheart", ovah...?" (repeated the call 4 times and got no answer on Ch 16) "Coast Guard Group Charleston, this is "Lionheart", ovah?" (got an immediate response)..... They didn't know NMB was their callsign....I swear it! Too funny....(c; By the way, here's a very complete list of US Gummit callsigns, including most all the USCG identities I found. http://www.ominous-valve.com/feds.txt KCC61 is the FBI in Boston. Until your ship license comes in, just use their callsign. Noone will notice as noone seems to care. 73 DE WDB6254 SK SK NNNN - They always put NNNN at the end of important-looking teletype messages so you'll know when this blather ends and the next blather begins....(c; |
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"Edgar" wrote in
: Hi Larry. Maybe you can answer this one for me. I imported my boat from USA and it was equipped with a nice little Standard Horizon Eclipse + VHF set. Over here you need a licence to use VHF even on a pleasure boat and they refused to licence this set for me, saying that it had 'American channels' on it and could not be licenced in Europe. I had to state on my licence application exactly what set I was using and.had to replace it with a locally approved ICOM set. I had powered up the Standard Horizon and channel 16 seemed to be the same and all the other channels had familiar numbers. I found no problem picking up ship-to ship traffic either. Certainly there were some additional channels, which I gather were weather channels, which were unfamiliar to me... Are the niumbered channels the same everywhere, even if in different areas their designated usage may vary? Do you think they were unreasonable to make me take this set out? Many of the channels on VHF are "duplex" channels where you transmit on a totally different frequency than you receive. "Simplex" channels transmit and receive on the same frequency, like Channel 16 on 156.800 Mhz. In different parts of the world, the channel bandplans evolved completely differently. Maritime Telephone Operators on duplex channels, is a good example of why. National governments had no coordination until the mess that was created was taken over by the International Telecommunications Union (ITU) in Geneva, Switzerland. Standard Horizon must be really short on disk space in their pitiful website, so the owner's manual of the Eclipse Plus and all the old models is gone, but you'll find a U/I button on the front of it. U means US channels and frequency sets. I is for Canada and International channels on the rest of the planet. Why you got rejected for a license for it is this button which allows you to go to the US channels they don't want you to have access to, which is kind of stupid. A word about this specific radio. I had one in my jetboat. It's a piece of crap! Water leaked in around the poorly sealed "waterproof" speaker in the front of it. When, not if, seawater leaks in around the speaker it drops straight onto the main circuit board right under the speaker. If you have it mounted pointing slightly upward so you can see the front panel and point the speaker at you, the tilt on the main circuit board will cause the seawater leaking in to run back across the board, eating everything in its path on the way. This I could tolerate. But, alas, the water finally comes up against the back wall of the radio inside the "waterproof case" and cannot escape. The main RF power amplifier of this radio, and most VHF radios, does NOT GET SWITCHED on and off by the on/off switch! The amp is a class C FM amp and NORMALLY draws no DC power when idle due to its Class C biasing. HOWEVER.....HOWEVER, when sea water leakes into the case around the crappy speaker, it POOLS UP around the BIAS PINS of the main RF power amplifier IC BRICK at the back of the circuit board...DRIVING IT INTO CONDUCTION! The IC merely gets hot, very hot but not hot enough to blow itself. Mine drew 3A of steady current and the rear heat sink disappated 36 watts of heat....UNTIL IT KILLED MY DAMNED BOAT BATTERY DEADER THAN DEAD, sitting on the trailer under the cover. Of course, after getting the trailer backed down the ramp in line with the rest at the public boat ramp....THE BOAT WAS DEAD MEAT when I wanted to play! It took me a while to find the constant current load causing the battery to drain out...... Just thought you'd like to know for when yours leaks..... I put in an Icom M59 and it never faltered.... The Standard was given the "Deep Six Standard Funeral" and is free for the diving in the middle of Charleston Harbor if the dredge missed it. |
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"Larry" wrote in message ... "Edgar" wrote in : Many of the channels on VHF are "duplex" channels where you transmit on a totally different frequency than you receive. "Simplex" channels transmit and receive on the same frequency, like Channel 16 on 156.800 Mhz. In different parts of the world, the channel bandplans evolved completely differently. Maritime Telephone Operators on duplex channels, is a good example of why. National governments had no coordination until the mess that was created was taken over by the International Telecommunications Union (ITU) in Geneva, Switzerland. Standard Horizon must be really short on disk space in their pitiful website, so the owner's manual of the Eclipse Plus and all the old models is gone, but you'll find a U/I button on the front of it. U means US channels and frequency sets. I is for Canada and International channels on the rest of the planet. Why you got rejected for a license for it is this button which allows you to go to the US channels they don't want you to have access to, which is kind of stupid. A word about this specific radio. I had one in my jetboat. It's a piece of crap! Water leaked in around the poorly sealed "waterproof" speaker in the front of it. When, not if, seawater leaks in around the speaker it drops straight onto the main circuit board right under the speaker. If you have it mounted pointing slightly upward so you can see the front panel and point the speaker at you, the tilt on the main circuit board will cause the seawater leaking in to run back across the board, eating everything in its path on the way. This I could tolerate. But, alas, the water finally comes up against the back wall of the radio inside the "waterproof case" and cannot escape. The main RF power amplifier of this radio, and most VHF radios, does NOT GET SWITCHED on and off by the on/off switch! The amp is a class C FM amp and NORMALLY draws no DC power when idle due to its Class C biasing. HOWEVER.....HOWEVER, when sea water leakes into the case around the crappy speaker, it POOLS UP around the BIAS PINS of the main RF power amplifier IC BRICK at the back of the circuit board...DRIVING IT INTO CONDUCTION! The IC merely gets hot, very hot but not hot enough to blow itself. Mine drew 3A of steady current and the rear heat sink disappated 36 watts of heat....UNTIL IT KILLED MY DAMNED BOAT BATTERY DEADER THAN DEAD, sitting on the trailer under the cover. Of course, after getting the trailer backed down the ramp in line with the rest at the public boat ramp....THE BOAT WAS DEAD MEAT when I wanted to play! It took me a while to find the constant current load causing the battery to drain out...... Just thought you'd like to know for when yours leaks..... I put in an Icom M59 and it never faltered.... The Standard was given the "Deep Six Standard Funeral" and is free for the diving in the middle of Charleston Harbor if the dredge missed it. Thanks, Larry. I will print that out and put it in the box where the set is languishing just in case anyone should be tempted to fire it up again... |
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On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:39:29 -0400, Ryk wrote:
In my neck of the woods (Eastern Lake Ontario) 16 remains the only calling channel. ???!? 16 a calling channel in Canada for pleasure boaters? I don't think so Ryk. |
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"mister b" wrote in message ... On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:39:29 -0400, Ryk wrote: In my neck of the woods (Eastern Lake Ontario) 16 remains the only calling channel. ???!? 16 a calling channel in Canada for pleasure boaters? I don't think so Ryk. I suppose boaters might call on 16 (or 12 here in Halifax) and quickly move to another channel when contact is made....as most people monitor 16. I scan a half dozen channels with my Standard Horizon 460S hand held. |
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Larry wrote: Unlike ham radio, where we are REQUIRED to give our callsign at LEAST every 10 minutes during our monologues which can go on for hours, ad nauseum, I don't think I've ever seen an ID interval for marine radio like that. It would be a good idea, however, to just say, "WDB6254 for ID" every 10 minutes if the transmissions are going to be that long....****ing everyone off on the channel. 47CFR80.102 requires Station ID to be transmitted, in English, at the beginning of the Radio Exchange, at the end of the Radio Exchange, and every 15 minutes, should the exchange be longer than 15 minutes. If it is a Public Correspondence Exchange the Intermediary Id's can be eliminated. If the exchange is on VHF Ch 13, only Vessel Names are required. For VTS Traffic only Vessel Names are Required. Public Coast Stations (are there any left?) may identify with Geographic Location, if there is no other Public Coast Station in that same area, which could be confused with the the Originating Station. -- Bruce in alaska add path after fast to reply |
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Bruce in alaska wrote in news:fast-D1A8E8.11453219072008
@netnews.worldnet.att.net: if there is no other Public Coast Station in that same area, which could be confused with the the Originating Station. WOM, we miss you...... |
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On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 05:42:42 +0000, Larry wrote:
"Edgar" wrote in : Hi Larry, I have a credit card sized 5 watt Alinco VHF/UHF that one can programme the channels in by entering their frequencies into memory. Does all US and International channels. Great buy. The internal rechargeable battery seems to keep it full charge for many months if not used. cheers Peter Very Hi Larry. Maybe you can answer this one for me. I imported my boat from USA and it was equipped with a nice little Standard Horizon Eclipse + VHF set. Over here you need a licence to use VHF even on a pleasure boat and they refused to licence this set for me, saying that it had 'American channels' on it and could not be licenced in Europe. I had to state on my licence application exactly what set I was using and.had to replace it with a locally approved ICOM set. I had powered up the Standard Horizon and channel 16 seemed to be the same and all the other channels had familiar numbers. I found no problem picking up ship-to ship traffic either. Certainly there were some additional channels, which I gather were weather channels, which were unfamiliar to me... Are the niumbered channels the same everywhere, even if in different areas their designated usage may vary? Do you think they were unreasonable to make me take this set out? Many of the channels on VHF are "duplex" channels where you transmit on a totally different frequency than you receive. "Simplex" channels transmit and receive on the same frequency, like Channel 16 on 156.800 Mhz. In different parts of the world, the channel bandplans evolved completely differently. Maritime Telephone Operators on duplex channels, is a good example of why. National governments had no coordination until the mess that was created was taken over by the International Telecommunications Union (ITU) in Geneva, Switzerland. Standard Horizon must be really short on disk space in their pitiful website, so the owner's manual of the Eclipse Plus and all the old models is gone, but you'll find a U/I button on the front of it. U means US channels and frequency sets. I is for Canada and International channels on the rest of the planet. Why you got rejected for a license for it is this button which allows you to go to the US channels they don't want you to have access to, which is kind of stupid. A word about this specific radio. I had one in my jetboat. It's a piece of crap! Water leaked in around the poorly sealed "waterproof" speaker in the front of it. When, not if, seawater leaks in around the speaker it drops straight onto the main circuit board right under the speaker. If you have it mounted pointing slightly upward so you can see the front panel and point the speaker at you, the tilt on the main circuit board will cause the seawater leaking in to run back across the board, eating everything in its path on the way. This I could tolerate. But, alas, the water finally comes up against the back wall of the radio inside the "waterproof case" and cannot escape. The main RF power amplifier of this radio, and most VHF radios, does NOT GET SWITCHED on and off by the on/off switch! The amp is a class C FM amp and NORMALLY draws no DC power when idle due to its Class C biasing. HOWEVER.....HOWEVER, when sea water leakes into the case around the crappy speaker, it POOLS UP around the BIAS PINS of the main RF power amplifier IC BRICK at the back of the circuit board...DRIVING IT INTO CONDUCTION! The IC merely gets hot, very hot but not hot enough to blow itself. Mine drew 3A of steady current and the rear heat sink disappated 36 watts of heat....UNTIL IT KILLED MY DAMNED BOAT BATTERY DEADER THAN DEAD, sitting on the trailer under the cover. Of course, after getting the trailer backed down the ramp in line with the rest at the public boat ramp....THE BOAT WAS DEAD MEAT when I wanted to play! It took me a while to find the constant current load causing the battery to drain out...... Just thought you'd like to know for when yours leaks..... I put in an Icom M59 and it never faltered.... The Standard was given the "Deep Six Standard Funeral" and is free for the diving in the middle of Charleston Harbor if the dredge missed it. |
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Larry wrote: Bruce in alaska wrote in news:fast-D1A8E8.11453219072008 @netnews.worldnet.att.net: if there is no other Public Coast Station in that same area, which could be confused with the the Originating Station. WOM, we miss you...... and KMI as well...... -- Bruce in alaska add path after fast to reply |
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On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:12:41 GMT, in message
Bruce in alaska wrote: In article , Ryk wrote: I used to have a VHF station license for my boat, but dropped it when the local requirement went away. Somebody recently suggested to me that I would need a station license to legitimately operate my radio (on a Canadian registered vessel) in US waters. I do have an operator's license. Do I need more to be legit in the US? Ryk Yes, to legally operate your VHF Radio in US Waters you are REQUIRED by International Convention (ITU International Telecommunication Union) to have a current Radio Station License issued by the Country of your FLAG. Thanks Bruce! Is it specific about a license, or is it about meeting requirements of the FLAG? I know that when we race internationally the SIs refer to meeting requirements in the country of origin for either licensed or registered vessels on a lot of safety issues. What are the likely consequences if I don't? (Assuming I am otherwise in compliance and using my radio responsibly inside the Great Lakes Basin.) Is it different if I go south down the ICW? Ryk |
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On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 05:41:30 -0500, in message
mister b wrote: On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:39:29 -0400, Ryk wrote: In my neck of the woods (Eastern Lake Ontario) 16 remains the only calling channel. ???!? 16 a calling channel in Canada for pleasure boaters? I don't think so Ryk. It is the calling channel endorsed by international convention and by the Coast Guard. I understand that 9 is an alternate in congested spaces in the US, but 16 is not congested up here. Ryk |
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On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:05:14 -0400, Ryk
wrote: On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:12:41 GMT, in message Bruce in alaska wrote: In article , Ryk wrote: I used to have a VHF station license for my boat, but dropped it when the local requirement went away. Somebody recently suggested to me that I would need a station license to legitimately operate my radio (on a Canadian registered vessel) in US waters. I do have an operator's license. Do I need more to be legit in the US? Ryk Yes, to legally operate your VHF Radio in US Waters you are REQUIRED by International Convention (ITU International Telecommunication Union) to have a current Radio Station License issued by the Country of your FLAG. Thanks Bruce! Is it specific about a license, or is it about meeting requirements of the FLAG? I know that when we race internationally the SIs refer to meeting requirements in the country of origin for either licensed or registered vessels on a lot of safety issues. What are the likely consequences if I don't? (Assuming I am otherwise in compliance and using my radio responsibly inside the Great Lakes Basin.) Is it different if I go south down the ICW? Ryk Almost all Canadian vessels are exempt from having a station license provided they remain in Canadian waters, or outside Canada and outside the territory of another country. So, Yes, if you take your Canadian boat into US waters, you require a Canadian Ship Station License, in addition to the Radio Operator Certificate. Similarly, a US vessel in Canadian waters requires a US Ship Station License. I understand that a few years ago, some Canadian vessels on the Great Lakes got into Serious Legal Problems when they ventured into US waters without a station license. -- Peter Bennett, VE7CEI peterbb4 (at) interchange.ubc.ca GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca |
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On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 05:41:30 -0500, mister b wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:39:29 -0400, Ryk wrote: In my neck of the woods (Eastern Lake Ontario) 16 remains the only calling channel. ???!? 16 a calling channel in Canada for pleasure boaters? I don't think so Ryk. Channel 16 is the _International_ calling and distress channel, usable by all vessels (except in some areas of the US, apparently). Channel 16 is a _calling_ channel, not a _working_ channel - you may use 16 to make an initial call to another vessel or to CG, but once contact is established, you must switch to an appropriate working channel. -- Peter Bennett, VE7CEI peterbb4 (at) interchange.ubc.ca GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca |
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On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:46:07 -0700, in message
.com Peter Bennett wrote: On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:05:14 -0400, Ryk wrote: What are the likely consequences if I don't? So, Yes, if you take your Canadian boat into US waters, you require a Canadian Ship Station License, in addition to the Radio Operator Certificate. Similarly, a US vessel in Canadian waters requires a US Ship Station License. I understand that a few years ago, some Canadian vessels on the Great Lakes got into Serious Legal Problems when they ventured into US waters without a station license. What were the SLPs? Would I be better off not transmitting in US waters? Or are you thinking of the incidents in the Detroit River? Ryk |
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Ryk wrote in
: On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 05:41:30 -0500, in message mister b wrote: On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:39:29 -0400, Ryk wrote: In my neck of the woods (Eastern Lake Ontario) 16 remains the only calling channel. ???!? 16 a calling channel in Canada for pleasure boaters? I don't think so Ryk. It is the calling channel endorsed by international convention and by the Coast Guard. I understand that 9 is an alternate in congested spaces in the US, but 16 is not congested up here. Ryk Just for information on the ICW and Charleston in South Carolina: Everyone monitors Channel 16, including all marinas, switching to working channels 68, 69, 71, 72 for comms. Opening road bridges all monitor Channel 9 across SC, the pleasure boat calling channel pleasure boats never monitor because of the bridge traffic. Shrimp boats and tourist cruise boats are on 10 or 11, but monitor 13 underway as well as 16 if they have the equipment. Yacht Clubs scan 16 and 68 or 69 on the harbor. CG monitors 16 and 22A but, as the S/V Morning Dew incident proves, do not respond well, even if a ship confirms screaming in the waters at the jetties. The towing companies usually have their attention better. Call the ships on 13 if you are in the ship channels underway to plan passing situations with the harbor pilots who are always very nice and helpful. The pilot boat monitors 10, 13, 16, too. Dredges can be found, generally, on 13 and 10. SeaTow/Towboat US monitors 16, 22A in Mt Pleasant's office and on the boats. Race control for all sailboat races monitors 72 if you need them. The boats in the race monitor 72 for instructions, but captains are usually too busy screaming at their crews who just ran over the now-torn spinnaker to answer the calls. That kind of cursing isn't permitted on the radio, anyways....(c; Cellular - The harbor and near offshore is well covered near Charleston and the local barrier islands by Verizon on 800 Mhz A and Alltel on 800 Mhz B well offshore 5-8 miles. ATT and Sprint on PCS have much more limited range on 1900 mhz, as does Nextel on iDen. Alltel's EVDO high speed internet works very well out nearly 20 miles if you are bluetooth tethered to the phone hanging from the mast in a zip lock bag with bluetooth linking the bag to the PC or, in my case, Nokia N800 Linux internet tablet on deck. Altitude is our friend! FREE wifi is available at Ashley Marina and Charleston City Marina where the ICW turns S off the Ashley River in front of the USCG Base Charleston. They make up for it by charging you through the nose for dockspace...ask Skip...$100/day for Flying Pig on the Megadock. Other marinas have wifi, but I'm not sure how they work it. Hundreds of unprotected wifi hotspots exist in downtown Charleston for you to use in a wide variety of places. Help yourself... |
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In article ,
Ryk wrote: On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:12:41 GMT, in message Bruce in alaska wrote: In article , Ryk wrote: I used to have a VHF station license for my boat, but dropped it when the local requirement went away. Somebody recently suggested to me that I would need a station license to legitimately operate my radio (on a Canadian registered vessel) in US waters. I do have an operator's license. Do I need more to be legit in the US? Ryk Yes, to legally operate your VHF Radio in US Waters you are REQUIRED by International Convention (ITU International Telecommunication Union) to have a current Radio Station License issued by the Country of your FLAG. Thanks Bruce! Is it specific about a license, or is it about meeting requirements of the FLAG? I know that when we race internationally the SIs refer to meeting requirements in the country of origin for either licensed or registered vessels on a lot of safety issues. What are the likely consequences if I don't? (Assuming I am otherwise in compliance and using my radio responsibly inside the Great Lakes Basin.) Is it different if I go south down the ICW? Ryk By International Convention, (ITU) each Country MUST supply it's Flagged Vessels with a Maritime Radio Station License, if it actually does license any Flagged Vessels under it's jurisdiction, if they make International Voyages. ( Voyages outside the waters, of the Nation of Flag) So Canada, if signatory to the ITU, (which it is) is required to issue a Maritime Radio License to any, and ALL vessels that it registers, that make voyages outside its Territorial Waters. There are some, Very Limited, Exceptions, and these are usually done by Treaty, usually by Adjacent Countries that share Common Waters, or adjacent International Waters. See the Great Lakes Convention Treaty between USA and Canada, and the EU Treaty for Europe. Some countries have Reciprocal Licensing Agreements that allow one countries License to be used in another Countries Territory. See ITU Convention for Aircraft Radio Licensing. I did a few Licenses for local Bush Pilots, that made trips into Canadian Territories, specifically to deliver Explosives and Caps, to Mining Operations that were more easily served from US Airports. You just can't imagine the Beauacratic BS involved, since 9/11. US Aircraft, that never leave US Territory, are covered by the Same Type of Blanket License that boats have, BUT if they leave US Airspace, they are REQUIRED to be licensed by the FCC/USA Government. -- Bruce in alaska add path after fast to reply |
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On 21 Jul 2008 17:11:01 -0500, Dave wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:31:55 GMT, Bruce in alaska said: US Aircraft, that never leave US Territory, are covered by the Same Type of Blanket License that boats have, BUT if they leave US Airspace, they are REQUIRED to be licensed by the FCC/USA Government. You need to either sharpen your thinking or sharpen you expression. If they have a "blanket license" from the FCC then by definition they are "licensed" by that agency. Do you mean that the regulations specify explicitly that they must be individually "licensed" under those circumstances and that a "blanket license" will not do? There is a difference in terminology between countries (as usual). The US issues a "blanket station license" to cover all US vessels (is it just pleasure craft?) while they remain in US waters. This "blanket license" becomes invalid if such vessels enter the territory of another country, and the vessel then must obtain an individual station license. Canada exempts most Canadian vessels from having a station license, providing they remain in Canada. Vessels going to other countries must get a station license, as they will be outside the terms of the license exemption. -- Peter Bennett, VE7CEI peterbb4 (at) interchange.ubc.ca GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca |
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On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:44:04 -0400, Ryk
wrote: On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:46:07 -0700, in message s.com Peter Bennett wrote: On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:05:14 -0400, Ryk wrote: What are the likely consequences if I don't? So, Yes, if you take your Canadian boat into US waters, you require a Canadian Ship Station License, in addition to the Radio Operator Certificate. Similarly, a US vessel in Canadian waters requires a US Ship Station License. I understand that a few years ago, some Canadian vessels on the Great Lakes got into Serious Legal Problems when they ventured into US waters without a station license. What were the SLPs? Would I be better off not transmitting in US waters? Or are you thinking of the incidents in the Detroit River? Ryk I don't recall the details, but I believe the occupants of the vessels involved were arrested or detained. You do require a station license if you will be travelling in US waters and your vessel is equipped with a Marine radio. There is a statement regarding this from Industry Canada at http://www.cps-ecp.ca/public.asp?WCE=C=47|K=224768 -- Peter Bennett, VE7CEI peterbb4 (at) interchange.ubc.ca GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca |
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Dave wrote: On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:20:45 GMT, Bruce in alaska said: Having been in the Radio Regulation Enforcement Biz for many years, Ah, that explains a great deal. I once had a partner who said he would never hire a former regulator as a lawyer. He said they were very good at being able to quote chapter and verse, and to regurgitate the agency's position, but very bad at determining when the agency was wrong. I wasn't one of the Lawyers, but a Resident Field Agent. I mostly did SOLAS Inspections on Compulsory Equipped Vessels, and a bit of Interference and unLicensed Operation Enforcement. -- Bruce in alaska add path after fast to reply |
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Dave wrote: On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:04:51 GMT, Bruce in alaska said: I wasn't one of the Lawyers, but a Resident Field Agent. I mostly did SOLAS Inspections on Compulsory Equipped Vessels, and a bit of Interference and unLicensed Operation Enforcement. Ah, so you with enforcing the laws without any legal training. I got all the Legal Training I needed, from the Regional Legal Staff, and the US Attorney's Office. Just how much Legal Training do you think a US Marshal has? All he needs to know is your violating a Law, and he puts you in the Hoosgow... We, as Resident Field Agents, didn't have Arrest Powers, and when we needed "Muscle" we went and got a US Marshal, or a USCG Officer, depending if the violation was on LAND or Water. They provided the "Muscle", and we provided the expertise. Believe me, you don't want to be trying to tell a US Marshal, that he can't put the cuffs on you, or trying to tell a USCG Officer that he can't board you vessel, and do his duty. In BOTH cases, those guys have ALMOST unlimited Powers, on point, and they let the Courts worry about the fine points of the situation. I watched a US Marshal, lock up a small town Sheriff, in his own Slammer, for willful violations of the Communications Act of 1934. It stuck too. The guy did time for it, in a Federal Prison, and had to pay a $5KUS fine. I wasn't with the Commission at the time, but was the Radio Tech, for the local Sheriff, The Field Agent, was one of the toughest Inspecting Engineers, in the Commission, and a mentor while I was learning the Service Side, of the SOLAS Game., a few years later. -- Bruce in alaska add path after fast to reply |
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:19:48 -0700, in message
.com Peter Bennett wrote: I don't recall the details, but I believe the occupants of the vessels involved were arrested or detained. You do require a station license if you will be travelling in US waters and your vessel is equipped with a Marine radio. There is a statement regarding this from Industry Canada at http://www.cps-ecp.ca/public.asp?WCE=C=47|K=224768 Thanks Peter. I am surprised to hear of anybody being arrested or detained for properly operating a VHF without a station license. At least in the US and Canada. Do you have a cite? The IC link is actually an undated CPS news item that talks about 9/11 as recent, so I don't know if it is current. Are there any current references to US/Canada VHF rules in the Great Lakes? Ryk |
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:31:55 GMT, in message
Bruce in alaska wrote: There are some, Very Limited, Exceptions, and these are usually done by Treaty, usually by Adjacent Countries that share Common Waters, or adjacent International Waters. See the Great Lakes Convention Treaty between USA and Canada A quick search didn't find me the relevant parts. Does that treaty allow US and Canadian pleasure boats that meet their own national requirements to operate in each others waters on the Great Lakes? (sort of like the ring and horseshoe thing?) Cheers, Ryk |
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