RichH wrote:
What an absolute bunch of political/religious CRAP offered for the
doubling of petro prices.

The simple economic answer is:
1, The US dollar has decreased 60% versus most of the worlds
currencies .... due to lack of confidence due to the current USA
financial crisis (and without pointing to any blame to the liberal
district US federal court policies that triggered this)
2. The worlds petro supply has probably peaked production ... no
increase in production visible to accomodate the increased demand of
China and India. The 'producers' are running 'flat-out' and physically
cant pump more.

Bush didnt do it, Buddha didnt do it, Bernacke didnt do it. There
simply is not enough world petro production to meet worldwide
demand.
The situation for the USA will get much much worse as if the USA petro
production remains restrained vs. further domestic exploration and
development and the US economy goes even deeper into the tank the
demand will increase while the supply is further artificially reduced
by the politicians. The shame is that 'alternatives' cant possibly
replace whats being artificially reduced/restrained as their supply
isnt more than 'developmental' stages and are extremely inefficient,
etc., it will take 15-20 yrs. to get the 'alternatives' up to any
level to make any difference.
Hence, I join the speculators who have targeted (bet) that energy
costs will escalate on an exponential scale.

This is the 'change' that our population voted for in 2006.
Apparently the 'change' that was offered in 2006 was actually the few
coins left in ones pocket .... just wait until the current 'tax cuts'
expire and then see how much of that 'change' is left in your
pocketbook. Its not going to be a happy world/USA economy for the
next 18-24 months.


Agree, and I'm voting NOTA (none of the above).
Gordon

Vic Smith wrote in
:

The problem in imagining a religionless history is considering how
much worse such a history would be.
Leaving aside religions' excesses - and there is every reason to
suppose those excesses would be greater without the constraints of
religion-imposed "morality"- what motivations toward "good" can you
point to that are not sourced in the tenets of a religion?
You can't.
There is no profit in bemoaning history. We are its final product.
History is best used to refine our movement forward.


Where would man be today if we hadn't poured most of the world's wealth
into the religious class for 2000 years?

Where would we be if humans weren't following horrible superstitions and
murdering any scientist who dared point out reality and done unfettered
research to solve things like the plagues of the Dark Ages, instead of
burning them at the stake.

Sorry...bemoaning history keeps us from repeating these atrocities....

How much money will be wasted on religious superstitions this year, alone,
that could be used to feed our starving children religious zealots don't
seem to give a **** about? Chew on that one laying in bed tonight....

Herodotus wrote in
:

Atheism
has also been described as a religion.


Sort of like Zero is a number.....or lack of....

Herodotus wrote in
:

Daishon, a Bhuddist monk said, and quite rightly, that if you do good
only in the hope of heaven then you will end up in hell.

I think that you will agree with that.


I'm sorry but I can't. Neither place exists.

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 03:36:17 +0000, Larry wrote:

Herodotus wrote in
:

Atheism
has also been described as a religion.


Sort of like Zero is a number.....or lack of....

Yep! sort of like that

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 03:40:17 +0000, Larry wrote:

Herodotus wrote in
:

Daishon, a Bhuddist monk said, and quite rightly, that if you do good
only in the hope of heaven then you will end up in hell.

I think that you will agree with that.


I'm sorry but I can't. Neither place exists.

Agreed. My point and his entirely. Zen Bhuddism belives in the here
and now

"Herodotus" wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 03:36:17 +0000, Larry wrote:

Herodotus wrote in
m:

Atheism
has also been described as a religion.


Sort of like Zero is a number.....or lack of....

Yep! sort of like that


Just like the gods, invented by people... in India and by the Maya
civilization.

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"Larry" wrote in message
...
Herodotus wrote in
:

Daishon, a Bhuddist monk said, and quite rightly, that if you do good
only in the hope of heaven then you will end up in hell.

I think that you will agree with that.


I'm sorry but I can't. Neither place exists.



Except on Earth.

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www.sailnow.com

On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 03:32:54 +0000, Larry wrote:

It will be a personal shame I cannot be here when the Procession of the
Zodiac passes from Pisces into the Age of Aquarius around 2150 to see
the looks on their faces when nothing happens, except in their minds....

Then there was the guy with cancer. He was so convinced that the world
was going to end with the millinium, that he spent all his dough
partying, instead of seeking treatment. Woke up Jan 1, 2000, and the
world, and his cancer, were still here.

Casady

(Richard Casady) wrote in
:

Then there was the guy with cancer. He was so convinced that the world
was going to end with the millinium, that he spent all his dough
partying, instead of seeking treatment. Woke up Jan 1, 2000, and the
world, and his cancer, were still here.

Casady



There was a science article on Russia Today, the English language TV
station I like to watch on my little Nokia N800 Linux tablet, about a 600+
meter asteroid that will closely flyby Earth on its way around the sun in
2029 easily visible with the naked eye. In 2036, it will meet us again
MUCH closer, only requiring a little gravity nudge by the sun to be on a
collision course, according to the Russian astronomers and the Russian
Academy of Science professors. They've done extensive observation and
calculations on this object. Of course, during the incessant commercialism
on American TV, not a word is said that might cause consumers to lose
confidence and put off buying that new appliance or car or Walmart-branded
Chinese clothing......

Russia Today is available to anyone on broadband at:
http://www.russiatoday.com/

News about Pirates in Nigeria holding up sailors is on:
http://www.russiatoday.com/news/news/28072

Very interesting maritime news has a click link to:
http://www.odin.tc/eng.asp
at Maritime Sovfracht Bulletin in English.