Now, that is just crap. It is the kind of binary, black and white, either
or, thinking that as at the heart of the intellectual rot that is destroying
this culture.

Try this,

Time at sea makes wiser and more experience sailors. Formal training and
other experience also do.

Some sailors get wiser and are better at turning their experience into sound
judgement than others. (Every standard deviation bell curve has two ends.)

No sailor will ever be wise and experienced enough for some of the the
conditions that may be encountered at sea.

--
Roger Long

Close, but not close enough.

"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
Now, that is just crap. It is the kind of binary, black and white, either
or, thinking that as at the heart of the intellectual rot that is
destroying this culture.

The culture is founded on good vs evil, that evil and good are absolute,
certain and capable of being defined and understood. It is the melding of
those two that are destroying the culture. When good compromises with evil
is the end result good or just a little less evil?



Try this,

Time at sea makes wiser and more experience sailors. Formal training and
other experience also do.


Only wiser and more experienced sailors spend more time at sea. The
incompetent are weeded out by nature.



Some sailors get wiser and are better at turning their experience into
sound judgement than others. (Every standard deviation bell curve has
two ends.)

Aaahahahahahahahaaaa!!!! Right, the sea and sailors have powers beyond
anyone else. The activity is the extension of the man. Circumstance does not
make the man, it reveals him. A good number of sailors are just like those
Harley-Davidson people. They go out and buy an image and play the role.



No sailor will ever be wise and experienced enough for some of the the
conditions that may be encountered at sea.


If they are that wise, they would stay ashore and avoid the situation beyond
their control.

Personal experience only lasts a lifetime, wisdom is built upon the
experiences of others as well and when passed on lasts for eternity. Wisdom
gives the power to avoid mistakes and move ahead, experience is what is
learned from mistakes and not moving ahead.

Experience is a poor substitute for competence.

Wilbur Hubbard has all three - experience, competence and an overdose of
wisdom!

On Jul 3, 8:51*am, "Kapt Krunch" AKA Neal
wrote:



If they are that wise, they would stay ashore and avoid the situation beyond
their control.

That's how Neal avoids any hazards at sea.

Fred

In article ,
Roger Long wrote:
Now, that is just crap. It is the kind of binary, black and white, either
or, thinking that as at the heart of the intellectual rot that is destroying
this culture.

Try this,

Time at sea makes wiser and more experience sailors. Formal training and
other experience also do.

Exactly. That's one of the reasons why the CG requires "sea time" in order to qualify for a license. Perhaps the time makes them wiser. You could modify the statement to read that sea time makes for more wise decisions based on real-world experience.

Some sailors get wiser and are better at turning their experience into sound
judgement than others. (Every standard deviation bell curve has two ends.)

No sailor will ever be wise and experienced enough for some of the the
conditions that may be encountered at sea.

True, but they'll make better decisions leading up to those conditions.

On Jul 3, 1:38*am, "Roger Long" wrote:

Now, that is just crap.

Hum, a little sensitive about this topic Roger?

*It is the kind of binary, black and white, either
or, thinking that as at the heart of the intellectual rot that is destroying
this culture.

I think we may have a misunderstanding. I will develop my idea more.


Try this,
Time at sea makes wiser and more experience sailors.

there is no causal releationship between doing a task and becoming
more skilled. No mater how many times I flapp my arns I aint gonna be
able to fly.

*Formal training and
other experience also do.


Here Ill say that training alone will not cause a person to become
more skilled. This is comming from a person who teahces a course
titled: BA 400 Employee Training & Deveolopment


Some sailors get wiser and are better at turning their experience into sound
judgement than others. *

No here we agree.

(Every standard deviation bell curve has two ends.)

ya but.... ftry a by-modal distribution where the wings are lager
than the first SD. In laymans terms the wing nuts out number the
middle.

No sailor will ever be wise and experienced enough for some of the the
conditions that may be encountered at sea.

Agreed. We can only strive to be better skilled unfortunatly just
doing somthing over and over and over (sea time) does not create smart
skilld operators. The fist time I worked in the GOM I was appauled at
the lubberly skill level of the OSV crews. Huge experince (sea time)
but little skill.

So the real question is: What makes a skilled mariner? How do yo get
to be good at sailing? How does LEARNING occure.

Roger Long
Bob