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Figure another 5 minutes to load people
and cargo. It is a small handy inflatable. Of course a Redcrest can't plane, I have a Redcrest. About 20 minutes start to finish to drop it in the water. compared to about 60 minutes to drop the Porta-Bote in the water. No contest. Porta-Bote hands down. |
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Figure another 5 minutes to load people
and cargo. It is a small handy inflatable. Of course a Redcrest can't plane, I have a Redcrest. About 20 minutes start to finish to drop it in the water. compared to about 60 minutes to drop the Porta-Bote in the water. No contest. Porta-Bote hands down. |
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If you are concerned about carrying the portabote, Johnson Marine
Hardware makes a windsurfer carrier that attaches outboard of the lifle lines. I made a copy and it works well. Secure and no obstructions of the lifelines. On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 00:59:33 GMT, James Johnson wrote: I have an Avon Redcrest inflatable. A portaboat has some attraction but on my 26 footer there is no acceptable place to put it. The cabin top? On my boat the cabin top isn't big enough, an the link to some pictures showed one stowed on the cabin top but it also obstructed the handrails, which I won't do for safety reasons. I might need to be able to grab that handrail one day. The lifelines? If I put it there it fouls the sheet leading the jib track and also would be an unacceptable obstruction to going forward on the side decks. YMMV, and larger boats would not have the same issues. Set up time for my Avon: 5 minutes to pull stowage bag out of cockpit locker, unzip bag, unroll dinghy (it has a hard rollup floor with interlocking slats) 5 minutes to hook up pump and inflate 5 minutes to insert engine mount, mount engine (lightweight 4 hp 2 stroke), and throw in safety bag (contains flares, lines, battery nav lights, anchor, life jackets, handheld vhf) This is a total of about 15 minutes. Figure another 5 minutes to load people and cargo. It is a small handy inflatable. Of course a Redcrest can't plane, but if you have that much need for speed why do you have a sailboat? My boat has a draft of 2 1/2 feet with the centerboard up so I can anchor in pretty close to where I want to go. JJ On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 01:13:29 GMT, Rosalie B. wrote: x-no-archive:yes (JAXAshby) wrote: It takes me about 20-30 minutes the first time of the season -- mostly figuring things out again and working against the stiffness. After that, it's 10-15 minutes to set up or down all things in a pile on the shore, yup. On our deck the first time in a season it might take 20 minutes for the two of us to do it because it's been folded up and resists being unfolded. I don't think we've ever done it solo - usually the two of us working together. We don't pad the deck (never had any problem with black marks but maybe that's because we got it used and they've all worn off). We keep all the items needed to put it together in one bag which is also on the deck so we don't have to go looking for them. The little bits like bolts etc are in a smaller bag in the big bag. One of us holds the boat open - the other one puts in the center seat. That holds the boat open so that the rest of the stuff can be put together. The rest goes very quickly given that we have all the stuff there. After we put it together we launch it using the whisker pole as a crane. Does not take long to do that as the bridle attachments are already there. I don't know exactly how heavy it is, but it is difficult for me and Bob together to carry it fully rigged for any distance, and I CAN carry 50 lbs. If it is just the boat without the seats, we can carry it easily and Bob can pick it up by himself. The motors for both dinghys are on the aft rail unless we are using the dinghy. So the time to get and rig the motor will be the same regardless of which dinghy we are using. We also have a container of stuff that we need to use the dinghy (lights, PFDs, fire extinguisher etc). On the deck on my boat with seats, transom down below along with bolting hardwar, plus engine on the rear pulpit of my boat, plus the gas tank for the o/b engine, plus safety gear, plus rigging the harness to lift the Porta-Bote off my boat, plus lowering the bote, plus all else, well the time is a mite longer than on shore. grandma Rosalie James Johnson remove the "dot" from after sail in email address to reply |
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If you are concerned about carrying the portabote, Johnson Marine
Hardware makes a windsurfer carrier that attaches outboard of the lifle lines. I made a copy and it works well. Secure and no obstructions of the lifelines. On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 00:59:33 GMT, James Johnson wrote: I have an Avon Redcrest inflatable. A portaboat has some attraction but on my 26 footer there is no acceptable place to put it. The cabin top? On my boat the cabin top isn't big enough, an the link to some pictures showed one stowed on the cabin top but it also obstructed the handrails, which I won't do for safety reasons. I might need to be able to grab that handrail one day. The lifelines? If I put it there it fouls the sheet leading the jib track and also would be an unacceptable obstruction to going forward on the side decks. YMMV, and larger boats would not have the same issues. Set up time for my Avon: 5 minutes to pull stowage bag out of cockpit locker, unzip bag, unroll dinghy (it has a hard rollup floor with interlocking slats) 5 minutes to hook up pump and inflate 5 minutes to insert engine mount, mount engine (lightweight 4 hp 2 stroke), and throw in safety bag (contains flares, lines, battery nav lights, anchor, life jackets, handheld vhf) This is a total of about 15 minutes. Figure another 5 minutes to load people and cargo. It is a small handy inflatable. Of course a Redcrest can't plane, but if you have that much need for speed why do you have a sailboat? My boat has a draft of 2 1/2 feet with the centerboard up so I can anchor in pretty close to where I want to go. JJ On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 01:13:29 GMT, Rosalie B. wrote: x-no-archive:yes (JAXAshby) wrote: It takes me about 20-30 minutes the first time of the season -- mostly figuring things out again and working against the stiffness. After that, it's 10-15 minutes to set up or down all things in a pile on the shore, yup. On our deck the first time in a season it might take 20 minutes for the two of us to do it because it's been folded up and resists being unfolded. I don't think we've ever done it solo - usually the two of us working together. We don't pad the deck (never had any problem with black marks but maybe that's because we got it used and they've all worn off). We keep all the items needed to put it together in one bag which is also on the deck so we don't have to go looking for them. The little bits like bolts etc are in a smaller bag in the big bag. One of us holds the boat open - the other one puts in the center seat. That holds the boat open so that the rest of the stuff can be put together. The rest goes very quickly given that we have all the stuff there. After we put it together we launch it using the whisker pole as a crane. Does not take long to do that as the bridle attachments are already there. I don't know exactly how heavy it is, but it is difficult for me and Bob together to carry it fully rigged for any distance, and I CAN carry 50 lbs. If it is just the boat without the seats, we can carry it easily and Bob can pick it up by himself. The motors for both dinghys are on the aft rail unless we are using the dinghy. So the time to get and rig the motor will be the same regardless of which dinghy we are using. We also have a container of stuff that we need to use the dinghy (lights, PFDs, fire extinguisher etc). On the deck on my boat with seats, transom down below along with bolting hardwar, plus engine on the rear pulpit of my boat, plus the gas tank for the o/b engine, plus safety gear, plus rigging the harness to lift the Porta-Bote off my boat, plus lowering the bote, plus all else, well the time is a mite longer than on shore. grandma Rosalie James Johnson remove the "dot" from after sail in email address to reply |
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On 4 Apr 2004 19:04:06 -0700, Steve Christensen
wrote: In article , James Johnson says... I have an Avon Redcrest inflatable. A portaboat has some attraction but on my 26 footer there is no acceptable place to put it. The cabin top? On my boat the cabin top isn't big enough, an the link to some pictures showed one stowed on the cabin top but it also obstructed the handrails, which I won't do for safety reasons. I might need to be able to grab that handrail one day. The lifelines? If I put it there it fouls the sheet leading the jib track and also would be an unacceptable obstruction to going forward on the side decks. YMMV, and larger boats would not have the same issues. I used one of the older double ended Porta-Botes on a 23 footer with good results. In my case the companioway hatch was large enough that it was a simple matter to stow the hull laying down on the quarterberth. In the evening we would put the hull on deck alongside the cabin house. It would have been in the way there during the day, but it was no problem in port. On my boat there is nothing in the cabin longer than the 6'3" berths, so that wouldn't work. I would also think that it would interfere with the use of the cabin? How much of a PITA is it to haul in and out of the cabin? If I had a larger boat the portaboat would definitely be on my short list. Unfortunately for my pocket cruiser I've been unable to acceptable solve the storage issue. JJ On many boats the galley or something else might be in the way to get the hull into the quarterberth, but if you have a straight shot this was a great way to carry an 8' Porta-Bote. Steve Christensen James Johnson remove the "dot" from after sail in email address to reply |
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On 4 Apr 2004 19:04:06 -0700, Steve Christensen
wrote: In article , James Johnson says... I have an Avon Redcrest inflatable. A portaboat has some attraction but on my 26 footer there is no acceptable place to put it. The cabin top? On my boat the cabin top isn't big enough, an the link to some pictures showed one stowed on the cabin top but it also obstructed the handrails, which I won't do for safety reasons. I might need to be able to grab that handrail one day. The lifelines? If I put it there it fouls the sheet leading the jib track and also would be an unacceptable obstruction to going forward on the side decks. YMMV, and larger boats would not have the same issues. I used one of the older double ended Porta-Botes on a 23 footer with good results. In my case the companioway hatch was large enough that it was a simple matter to stow the hull laying down on the quarterberth. In the evening we would put the hull on deck alongside the cabin house. It would have been in the way there during the day, but it was no problem in port. On my boat there is nothing in the cabin longer than the 6'3" berths, so that wouldn't work. I would also think that it would interfere with the use of the cabin? How much of a PITA is it to haul in and out of the cabin? If I had a larger boat the portaboat would definitely be on my short list. Unfortunately for my pocket cruiser I've been unable to acceptable solve the storage issue. JJ On many boats the galley or something else might be in the way to get the hull into the quarterberth, but if you have a straight shot this was a great way to carry an 8' Porta-Bote. Steve Christensen James Johnson remove the "dot" from after sail in email address to reply |
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What about windage? Would it be able to take 60 knot gusts from a bad
thunderstorm? That is what I base my stowage requirement on. If I can't stow it to take that severe of a storm I don't take it with me. We can get a lot of thunderstorms on the Chesapeake. JJ On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 03:17:21 GMT, Marc wrote: If you are concerned about carrying the portabote, Johnson Marine Hardware makes a windsurfer carrier that attaches outboard of the lifle lines. I made a copy and it works well. Secure and no obstructions of the lifelines. On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 00:59:33 GMT, James Johnson wrote: I have an Avon Redcrest inflatable. A portaboat has some attraction but on my 26 footer there is no acceptable place to put it. The cabin top? On my boat the cabin top isn't big enough, an the link to some pictures showed one stowed on the cabin top but it also obstructed the handrails, which I won't do for safety reasons. I might need to be able to grab that handrail one day. The lifelines? If I put it there it fouls the sheet leading the jib track and also would be an unacceptable obstruction to going forward on the side decks. YMMV, and larger boats would not have the same issues. Set up time for my Avon: 5 minutes to pull stowage bag out of cockpit locker, unzip bag, unroll dinghy (it has a hard rollup floor with interlocking slats) 5 minutes to hook up pump and inflate 5 minutes to insert engine mount, mount engine (lightweight 4 hp 2 stroke), and throw in safety bag (contains flares, lines, battery nav lights, anchor, life jackets, handheld vhf) This is a total of about 15 minutes. Figure another 5 minutes to load people and cargo. It is a small handy inflatable. Of course a Redcrest can't plane, but if you have that much need for speed why do you have a sailboat? My boat has a draft of 2 1/2 feet with the centerboard up so I can anchor in pretty close to where I want to go. JJ On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 01:13:29 GMT, Rosalie B. wrote: x-no-archive:yes (JAXAshby) wrote: It takes me about 20-30 minutes the first time of the season -- mostly figuring things out again and working against the stiffness. After that, it's 10-15 minutes to set up or down all things in a pile on the shore, yup. On our deck the first time in a season it might take 20 minutes for the two of us to do it because it's been folded up and resists being unfolded. I don't think we've ever done it solo - usually the two of us working together. We don't pad the deck (never had any problem with black marks but maybe that's because we got it used and they've all worn off). We keep all the items needed to put it together in one bag which is also on the deck so we don't have to go looking for them. The little bits like bolts etc are in a smaller bag in the big bag. One of us holds the boat open - the other one puts in the center seat. That holds the boat open so that the rest of the stuff can be put together. The rest goes very quickly given that we have all the stuff there. After we put it together we launch it using the whisker pole as a crane. Does not take long to do that as the bridle attachments are already there. I don't know exactly how heavy it is, but it is difficult for me and Bob together to carry it fully rigged for any distance, and I CAN carry 50 lbs. If it is just the boat without the seats, we can carry it easily and Bob can pick it up by himself. The motors for both dinghys are on the aft rail unless we are using the dinghy. So the time to get and rig the motor will be the same regardless of which dinghy we are using. We also have a container of stuff that we need to use the dinghy (lights, PFDs, fire extinguisher etc). On the deck on my boat with seats, transom down below along with bolting hardwar, plus engine on the rear pulpit of my boat, plus the gas tank for the o/b engine, plus safety gear, plus rigging the harness to lift the Porta-Bote off my boat, plus lowering the bote, plus all else, well the time is a mite longer than on shore. grandma Rosalie James Johnson remove the "dot" from after sail in email address to reply James Johnson remove the "dot" from after sail in email address to reply |
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What about windage? Would it be able to take 60 knot gusts from a bad
thunderstorm? That is what I base my stowage requirement on. If I can't stow it to take that severe of a storm I don't take it with me. We can get a lot of thunderstorms on the Chesapeake. JJ On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 03:17:21 GMT, Marc wrote: If you are concerned about carrying the portabote, Johnson Marine Hardware makes a windsurfer carrier that attaches outboard of the lifle lines. I made a copy and it works well. Secure and no obstructions of the lifelines. On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 00:59:33 GMT, James Johnson wrote: I have an Avon Redcrest inflatable. A portaboat has some attraction but on my 26 footer there is no acceptable place to put it. The cabin top? On my boat the cabin top isn't big enough, an the link to some pictures showed one stowed on the cabin top but it also obstructed the handrails, which I won't do for safety reasons. I might need to be able to grab that handrail one day. The lifelines? If I put it there it fouls the sheet leading the jib track and also would be an unacceptable obstruction to going forward on the side decks. YMMV, and larger boats would not have the same issues. Set up time for my Avon: 5 minutes to pull stowage bag out of cockpit locker, unzip bag, unroll dinghy (it has a hard rollup floor with interlocking slats) 5 minutes to hook up pump and inflate 5 minutes to insert engine mount, mount engine (lightweight 4 hp 2 stroke), and throw in safety bag (contains flares, lines, battery nav lights, anchor, life jackets, handheld vhf) This is a total of about 15 minutes. Figure another 5 minutes to load people and cargo. It is a small handy inflatable. Of course a Redcrest can't plane, but if you have that much need for speed why do you have a sailboat? My boat has a draft of 2 1/2 feet with the centerboard up so I can anchor in pretty close to where I want to go. JJ On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 01:13:29 GMT, Rosalie B. wrote: x-no-archive:yes (JAXAshby) wrote: It takes me about 20-30 minutes the first time of the season -- mostly figuring things out again and working against the stiffness. After that, it's 10-15 minutes to set up or down all things in a pile on the shore, yup. On our deck the first time in a season it might take 20 minutes for the two of us to do it because it's been folded up and resists being unfolded. I don't think we've ever done it solo - usually the two of us working together. We don't pad the deck (never had any problem with black marks but maybe that's because we got it used and they've all worn off). We keep all the items needed to put it together in one bag which is also on the deck so we don't have to go looking for them. The little bits like bolts etc are in a smaller bag in the big bag. One of us holds the boat open - the other one puts in the center seat. That holds the boat open so that the rest of the stuff can be put together. The rest goes very quickly given that we have all the stuff there. After we put it together we launch it using the whisker pole as a crane. Does not take long to do that as the bridle attachments are already there. I don't know exactly how heavy it is, but it is difficult for me and Bob together to carry it fully rigged for any distance, and I CAN carry 50 lbs. If it is just the boat without the seats, we can carry it easily and Bob can pick it up by himself. The motors for both dinghys are on the aft rail unless we are using the dinghy. So the time to get and rig the motor will be the same regardless of which dinghy we are using. We also have a container of stuff that we need to use the dinghy (lights, PFDs, fire extinguisher etc). On the deck on my boat with seats, transom down below along with bolting hardwar, plus engine on the rear pulpit of my boat, plus the gas tank for the o/b engine, plus safety gear, plus rigging the harness to lift the Porta-Bote off my boat, plus lowering the bote, plus all else, well the time is a mite longer than on shore. grandma Rosalie James Johnson remove the "dot" from after sail in email address to reply James Johnson remove the "dot" from after sail in email address to reply |
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Doesn't change the windage profile of my boat. I Have had some
experience with boarding seas and have had no problem todate. Cheaper than davits, beats towing. Removes an obstacle from the working areas of the boat. Works for me till I find something better. $100.00. What you got to lose? On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 00:55:40 GMT, James Johnson wrote: What about windage? Would it be able to take 60 knot gusts from a bad thunderstorm? That is what I base my stowage requirement on. If I can't stow it to take that severe of a storm I don't take it with me. We can get a lot of thunderstorms on the Chesapeake. JJ On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 03:17:21 GMT, Marc wrote: If you are concerned about carrying the portabote, Johnson Marine Hardware makes a windsurfer carrier that attaches outboard of the lifle lines. I made a copy and it works well. Secure and no obstructions of the lifelines. On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 00:59:33 GMT, James Johnson wrote: I have an Avon Redcrest inflatable. A portaboat has some attraction but on my 26 footer there is no acceptable place to put it. The cabin top? On my boat the cabin top isn't big enough, an the link to some pictures showed one stowed on the cabin top but it also obstructed the handrails, which I won't do for safety reasons. I might need to be able to grab that handrail one day. The lifelines? If I put it there it fouls the sheet leading the jib track and also would be an unacceptable obstruction to going forward on the side decks. YMMV, and larger boats would not have the same issues. Set up time for my Avon: 5 minutes to pull stowage bag out of cockpit locker, unzip bag, unroll dinghy (it has a hard rollup floor with interlocking slats) 5 minutes to hook up pump and inflate 5 minutes to insert engine mount, mount engine (lightweight 4 hp 2 stroke), and throw in safety bag (contains flares, lines, battery nav lights, anchor, life jackets, handheld vhf) This is a total of about 15 minutes. Figure another 5 minutes to load people and cargo. It is a small handy inflatable. Of course a Redcrest can't plane, but if you have that much need for speed why do you have a sailboat? My boat has a draft of 2 1/2 feet with the centerboard up so I can anchor in pretty close to where I want to go. JJ On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 01:13:29 GMT, Rosalie B. wrote: x-no-archive:yes (JAXAshby) wrote: It takes me about 20-30 minutes the first time of the season -- mostly figuring things out again and working against the stiffness. After that, it's 10-15 minutes to set up or down all things in a pile on the shore, yup. On our deck the first time in a season it might take 20 minutes for the two of us to do it because it's been folded up and resists being unfolded. I don't think we've ever done it solo - usually the two of us working together. We don't pad the deck (never had any problem with black marks but maybe that's because we got it used and they've all worn off). We keep all the items needed to put it together in one bag which is also on the deck so we don't have to go looking for them. The little bits like bolts etc are in a smaller bag in the big bag. One of us holds the boat open - the other one puts in the center seat. That holds the boat open so that the rest of the stuff can be put together. The rest goes very quickly given that we have all the stuff there. After we put it together we launch it using the whisker pole as a crane. Does not take long to do that as the bridle attachments are already there. I don't know exactly how heavy it is, but it is difficult for me and Bob together to carry it fully rigged for any distance, and I CAN carry 50 lbs. If it is just the boat without the seats, we can carry it easily and Bob can pick it up by himself. The motors for both dinghys are on the aft rail unless we are using the dinghy. So the time to get and rig the motor will be the same regardless of which dinghy we are using. We also have a container of stuff that we need to use the dinghy (lights, PFDs, fire extinguisher etc). On the deck on my boat with seats, transom down below along with bolting hardwar, plus engine on the rear pulpit of my boat, plus the gas tank for the o/b engine, plus safety gear, plus rigging the harness to lift the Porta-Bote off my boat, plus lowering the bote, plus all else, well the time is a mite longer than on shore. grandma Rosalie James Johnson remove the "dot" from after sail in email address to reply James Johnson remove the "dot" from after sail in email address to reply |
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Doesn't change the windage profile of my boat. I Have had some
experience with boarding seas and have had no problem todate. Cheaper than davits, beats towing. Removes an obstacle from the working areas of the boat. Works for me till I find something better. $100.00. What you got to lose? On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 00:55:40 GMT, James Johnson wrote: What about windage? Would it be able to take 60 knot gusts from a bad thunderstorm? That is what I base my stowage requirement on. If I can't stow it to take that severe of a storm I don't take it with me. We can get a lot of thunderstorms on the Chesapeake. JJ On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 03:17:21 GMT, Marc wrote: If you are concerned about carrying the portabote, Johnson Marine Hardware makes a windsurfer carrier that attaches outboard of the lifle lines. I made a copy and it works well. Secure and no obstructions of the lifelines. On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 00:59:33 GMT, James Johnson wrote: I have an Avon Redcrest inflatable. A portaboat has some attraction but on my 26 footer there is no acceptable place to put it. The cabin top? On my boat the cabin top isn't big enough, an the link to some pictures showed one stowed on the cabin top but it also obstructed the handrails, which I won't do for safety reasons. I might need to be able to grab that handrail one day. The lifelines? If I put it there it fouls the sheet leading the jib track and also would be an unacceptable obstruction to going forward on the side decks. YMMV, and larger boats would not have the same issues. Set up time for my Avon: 5 minutes to pull stowage bag out of cockpit locker, unzip bag, unroll dinghy (it has a hard rollup floor with interlocking slats) 5 minutes to hook up pump and inflate 5 minutes to insert engine mount, mount engine (lightweight 4 hp 2 stroke), and throw in safety bag (contains flares, lines, battery nav lights, anchor, life jackets, handheld vhf) This is a total of about 15 minutes. Figure another 5 minutes to load people and cargo. It is a small handy inflatable. Of course a Redcrest can't plane, but if you have that much need for speed why do you have a sailboat? My boat has a draft of 2 1/2 feet with the centerboard up so I can anchor in pretty close to where I want to go. JJ On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 01:13:29 GMT, Rosalie B. wrote: x-no-archive:yes (JAXAshby) wrote: It takes me about 20-30 minutes the first time of the season -- mostly figuring things out again and working against the stiffness. After that, it's 10-15 minutes to set up or down all things in a pile on the shore, yup. On our deck the first time in a season it might take 20 minutes for the two of us to do it because it's been folded up and resists being unfolded. I don't think we've ever done it solo - usually the two of us working together. We don't pad the deck (never had any problem with black marks but maybe that's because we got it used and they've all worn off). We keep all the items needed to put it together in one bag which is also on the deck so we don't have to go looking for them. The little bits like bolts etc are in a smaller bag in the big bag. One of us holds the boat open - the other one puts in the center seat. That holds the boat open so that the rest of the stuff can be put together. The rest goes very quickly given that we have all the stuff there. After we put it together we launch it using the whisker pole as a crane. Does not take long to do that as the bridle attachments are already there. I don't know exactly how heavy it is, but it is difficult for me and Bob together to carry it fully rigged for any distance, and I CAN carry 50 lbs. If it is just the boat without the seats, we can carry it easily and Bob can pick it up by himself. The motors for both dinghys are on the aft rail unless we are using the dinghy. So the time to get and rig the motor will be the same regardless of which dinghy we are using. We also have a container of stuff that we need to use the dinghy (lights, PFDs, fire extinguisher etc). On the deck on my boat with seats, transom down below along with bolting hardwar, plus engine on the rear pulpit of my boat, plus the gas tank for the o/b engine, plus safety gear, plus rigging the harness to lift the Porta-Bote off my boat, plus lowering the bote, plus all else, well the time is a mite longer than on shore. grandma Rosalie James Johnson remove the "dot" from after sail in email address to reply James Johnson remove the "dot" from after sail in email address to reply |
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