porta-bote or inflatable?
 

grandma, you have a bigger boat than I do.

If there are two people there, shouldn't both of them
help?

and if one person is doing it, it takes longer
Probably true, but I doubt if it takes 3 times as long if one is
reasonably efficient.

Why would you want to do it any other
way?

because I don't want to store all that stuff in a pile on deck?

Having all the stuff gathered in one place does NOT equal to storing
it in a pile on the deck.

It's like anything else that you store. You put all the things that
go together into a storage place together. You put the things you use
a lot on the top of things you only use once in a blue moon.

We have all the oil and antifreeze and engine stuff in one locker. We
don't store tuna fish cans in there with it. We have all the dishes
and pots and pans in one place and we don't put misc. tools in there.
All the bread and paper products go in another locker (light stuff
together) and if we have heavier stuff it goes on the bottom. Bob has
made several canvas bags and they keep things together that need to
stay together.

Of course he's a big advocate of a place for everything and everything
in its place. He's got a pegboard in the garage with outlines on it
of the tools that go there.


grandma Rosalie

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

grandma, you have a bigger boat than I do.

If there are two people there, shouldn't both of them
help?

and if one person is doing it, it takes longer
Probably true, but I doubt if it takes 3 times as long if one is
reasonably efficient.

Why would you want to do it any other
way?

because I don't want to store all that stuff in a pile on deck?

Having all the stuff gathered in one place does NOT equal to storing
it in a pile on the deck.

It's like anything else that you store. You put all the things that
go together into a storage place together. You put the things you use
a lot on the top of things you only use once in a blue moon.

We have all the oil and antifreeze and engine stuff in one locker. We
don't store tuna fish cans in there with it. We have all the dishes
and pots and pans in one place and we don't put misc. tools in there.
All the bread and paper products go in another locker (light stuff
together) and if we have heavier stuff it goes on the bottom. Bob has
made several canvas bags and they keep things together that need to
stay together.

Of course he's a big advocate of a place for everything and everything
in its place. He's got a pegboard in the garage with outlines on it
of the tools that go there.


grandma Rosalie

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

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(JAXAshby) wrote:

grandma, you have a bigger boat than I do.

and so that means you shouldn't take some time to stow things in
appropriate places??

In any case, I resent the implication that because we have the
portabote and the stuff to put it together both stored on the deck,
that means that it is 'in a pile' as if that was an unsightly and
inappropriate way to store it. The portabote has mostly been stored
along the lifelines and that's the way a lot of people stow them.

We have a whole bunch of stuff on the deck (as we do have a larger
boat) because we are cruising, which includes jerry jugs for fuel (2
for diesel and one for the outboard), two outboards, two folding bikes
in bags, the air bottles for scuba in a box, and a couple of solar
panels. We also have our docklines and hose on pinrails. The
portabote stuff is in a sunbrella bag which is also on the deck.
Currently it's under the staysail boom on the cabin top, but it could
also go on the lifelines if we didn't have the jerry jugs there.

If there are two people there, shouldn't both of them
help?

and if one person is doing it, it takes longer
Probably true, but I doubt if it takes 3 times as long if one is
reasonably efficient.

Why would you want to do it any other
way?

because I don't want to store all that stuff in a pile on deck?

Having all the stuff gathered in one place does NOT equal to storing
it in a pile on the deck.

It's like anything else that you store. You put all the things that
go together into a storage place together. You put the things you use
a lot on the top of things you only use once in a blue moon.

We have all the oil and antifreeze and engine stuff in one locker. We
don't store tuna fish cans in there with it. We have all the dishes
and pots and pans in one place and we don't put misc. tools in there.
All the bread and paper products go in another locker (light stuff
together) and if we have heavier stuff it goes on the bottom. Bob has
made several canvas bags and they keep things together that need to
stay together.

Of course he's a big advocate of a place for everything and everything
in its place. He's got a pegboard in the garage with outlines on it
of the tools that go there.


grandma Rosalie








grandma Rosalie

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

x-no-archive:yes

(JAXAshby) wrote:

grandma, you have a bigger boat than I do.

and so that means you shouldn't take some time to stow things in
appropriate places??

In any case, I resent the implication that because we have the
portabote and the stuff to put it together both stored on the deck,
that means that it is 'in a pile' as if that was an unsightly and
inappropriate way to store it. The portabote has mostly been stored
along the lifelines and that's the way a lot of people stow them.

We have a whole bunch of stuff on the deck (as we do have a larger
boat) because we are cruising, which includes jerry jugs for fuel (2
for diesel and one for the outboard), two outboards, two folding bikes
in bags, the air bottles for scuba in a box, and a couple of solar
panels. We also have our docklines and hose on pinrails. The
portabote stuff is in a sunbrella bag which is also on the deck.
Currently it's under the staysail boom on the cabin top, but it could
also go on the lifelines if we didn't have the jerry jugs there.

If there are two people there, shouldn't both of them
help?

and if one person is doing it, it takes longer
Probably true, but I doubt if it takes 3 times as long if one is
reasonably efficient.

Why would you want to do it any other
way?

because I don't want to store all that stuff in a pile on deck?

Having all the stuff gathered in one place does NOT equal to storing
it in a pile on the deck.

It's like anything else that you store. You put all the things that
go together into a storage place together. You put the things you use
a lot on the top of things you only use once in a blue moon.

We have all the oil and antifreeze and engine stuff in one locker. We
don't store tuna fish cans in there with it. We have all the dishes
and pots and pans in one place and we don't put misc. tools in there.
All the bread and paper products go in another locker (light stuff
together) and if we have heavier stuff it goes on the bottom. Bob has
made several canvas bags and they keep things together that need to
stay together.

Of course he's a big advocate of a place for everything and everything
in its place. He's got a pegboard in the garage with outlines on it
of the tools that go there.


grandma Rosalie








grandma Rosalie

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

sorry, grandma, but to me a bunch of stuff on the deck of a boat looks like "a
pile" to me.

the
portabote and the stuff to put it together both stored on the deck,
that means that it is 'in a pile' as if that was an unsightly and
inappropriate way to store it. The portabote has mostly been stored
along the lifelines and that's the way a lot of people stow them.

We have a whole bunch of stuff on the deck (as we do have a larger
boat) because we are cruising, which includes jerry jugs for fuel (2
for diesel and one for the outboard), two outboards, two folding bikes
in bags, the air bottles for scuba in a box, and a couple of solar
panels. We also have our docklines and hose on pinrails. The
portabote stuff is in a sunbrella bag which is also on the deck.
Currently it's under the staysail boom on the cabin top, but it could
also go on the lifelines if we didn't have the jerry jugs there.

If there are two people there, shouldn't both of them
help?

and if one person is doing it, it takes longer
Probably true, but I doubt if it takes 3 times as long if one is
reasonably efficient.

Why would you want to do it any other
way?

because I don't want to store all that stuff in a pile on deck?

Having all the stuff gathered in one place does NOT equal to storing
it in a pile on the deck.

It's like anything else that you store. You put all the things that
go together into a storage place together. You put the things you use
a lot on the top of things you only use once in a blue moon.

We have all the oil and antifreeze and engine stuff in one locker. We
don't store tuna fish cans in there with it. We have all the dishes
and pots and pans in one place and we don't put misc. tools in there.
All the bread and paper products go in another locker (light stuff
together) and if we have heavier stuff it goes on the bottom. Bob has
made several canvas bags and they keep things together that need to
stay together.

Of course he's a big advocate of a place for everything and everything
in its place. He's got a pegboard in the garage with outlines on it
of the tools that go there.


grandma Rosalie








grandma Rosalie

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

sorry, grandma, but to me a bunch of stuff on the deck of a boat looks like "a
pile" to me.

the
portabote and the stuff to put it together both stored on the deck,
that means that it is 'in a pile' as if that was an unsightly and
inappropriate way to store it. The portabote has mostly been stored
along the lifelines and that's the way a lot of people stow them.

We have a whole bunch of stuff on the deck (as we do have a larger
boat) because we are cruising, which includes jerry jugs for fuel (2
for diesel and one for the outboard), two outboards, two folding bikes
in bags, the air bottles for scuba in a box, and a couple of solar
panels. We also have our docklines and hose on pinrails. The
portabote stuff is in a sunbrella bag which is also on the deck.
Currently it's under the staysail boom on the cabin top, but it could
also go on the lifelines if we didn't have the jerry jugs there.

If there are two people there, shouldn't both of them
help?

and if one person is doing it, it takes longer
Probably true, but I doubt if it takes 3 times as long if one is
reasonably efficient.

Why would you want to do it any other
way?

because I don't want to store all that stuff in a pile on deck?

Having all the stuff gathered in one place does NOT equal to storing
it in a pile on the deck.

It's like anything else that you store. You put all the things that
go together into a storage place together. You put the things you use
a lot on the top of things you only use once in a blue moon.

We have all the oil and antifreeze and engine stuff in one locker. We
don't store tuna fish cans in there with it. We have all the dishes
and pots and pans in one place and we don't put misc. tools in there.
All the bread and paper products go in another locker (light stuff
together) and if we have heavier stuff it goes on the bottom. Bob has
made several canvas bags and they keep things together that need to
stay together.

Of course he's a big advocate of a place for everything and everything
in its place. He's got a pegboard in the garage with outlines on it
of the tools that go there.


grandma Rosalie








grandma Rosalie

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

I have an Avon Redcrest inflatable. A portaboat has some attraction but on my
26 footer there is no acceptable place to put it.

The cabin top? On my boat the cabin top isn't big enough, an the link to some
pictures showed one stowed on the cabin top but it also obstructed the
handrails, which I won't do for safety reasons. I might need to be able to grab
that handrail one day.

The lifelines? If I put it there it fouls the sheet leading the jib track and
also would be an unacceptable obstruction to going forward on the side decks.
YMMV, and larger boats would not have the same issues.

Set up time for my Avon:
5 minutes to pull stowage bag out of cockpit locker, unzip bag, unroll dinghy
(it has a hard rollup floor with interlocking slats)
5 minutes to hook up pump and inflate
5 minutes to insert engine mount, mount engine (lightweight 4 hp 2 stroke), and
throw in safety bag (contains flares, lines, battery nav lights, anchor, life
jackets, handheld vhf)

This is a total of about 15 minutes. Figure another 5 minutes to load people
and cargo. It is a small handy inflatable. Of course a Redcrest can't plane,
but if you have that much need for speed why do you have a sailboat? My boat
has a draft of 2 1/2 feet with the centerboard up so I can anchor in pretty
close to where I want to go.

JJ


On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 01:13:29 GMT, Rosalie B. wrote:

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(JAXAshby) wrote:

It takes me about 20-30 minutes the first time of the season -- mostly
figuring things out again and working against the stiffness. After that,
it's 10-15 minutes to set up or down

all things in a pile on the shore, yup.

On our deck the first time in a season it might take 20 minutes for
the two of us to do it because it's been folded up and resists being
unfolded. I don't think we've ever done it solo - usually the two of
us working together.

We don't pad the deck (never had any problem with black marks but
maybe that's because we got it used and they've all worn off). We
keep all the items needed to put it together in one bag which is also
on the deck so we don't have to go looking for them. The little bits
like bolts etc are in a smaller bag in the big bag.

One of us holds the boat open - the other one puts in the center seat.
That holds the boat open so that the rest of the stuff can be put
together. The rest goes very quickly given that we have all the stuff
there.

After we put it together we launch it using the whisker pole as a
crane. Does not take long to do that as the bridle attachments are
already there.

I don't know exactly how heavy it is, but it is difficult for me and
Bob together to carry it fully rigged for any distance, and I CAN
carry 50 lbs. If it is just the boat without the seats, we can carry
it easily and Bob can pick it up by himself.

The motors for both dinghys are on the aft rail unless we are using
the dinghy. So the time to get and rig the motor will be the same
regardless of which dinghy we are using. We also have a container of
stuff that we need to use the dinghy (lights, PFDs, fire extinguisher
etc).

On the deck on my boat with seats, transom down below along with bolting
hardwar, plus engine on the rear pulpit of my boat, plus the gas tank for the
o/b engine, plus safety gear, plus rigging the harness to lift the Porta-Bote
off my boat, plus lowering the bote, plus all else, well the time is a mite
longer than on shore.


grandma Rosalie

James Johnson
remove the "dot" from after sail in email address to reply

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

I have an Avon Redcrest inflatable. A portaboat has some attraction but on my
26 footer there is no acceptable place to put it.

The cabin top? On my boat the cabin top isn't big enough, an the link to some
pictures showed one stowed on the cabin top but it also obstructed the
handrails, which I won't do for safety reasons. I might need to be able to grab
that handrail one day.

The lifelines? If I put it there it fouls the sheet leading the jib track and
also would be an unacceptable obstruction to going forward on the side decks.
YMMV, and larger boats would not have the same issues.

Set up time for my Avon:
5 minutes to pull stowage bag out of cockpit locker, unzip bag, unroll dinghy
(it has a hard rollup floor with interlocking slats)
5 minutes to hook up pump and inflate
5 minutes to insert engine mount, mount engine (lightweight 4 hp 2 stroke), and
throw in safety bag (contains flares, lines, battery nav lights, anchor, life
jackets, handheld vhf)

This is a total of about 15 minutes. Figure another 5 minutes to load people
and cargo. It is a small handy inflatable. Of course a Redcrest can't plane,
but if you have that much need for speed why do you have a sailboat? My boat
has a draft of 2 1/2 feet with the centerboard up so I can anchor in pretty
close to where I want to go.

JJ


On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 01:13:29 GMT, Rosalie B. wrote:

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(JAXAshby) wrote:

It takes me about 20-30 minutes the first time of the season -- mostly
figuring things out again and working against the stiffness. After that,
it's 10-15 minutes to set up or down

all things in a pile on the shore, yup.

On our deck the first time in a season it might take 20 minutes for
the two of us to do it because it's been folded up and resists being
unfolded. I don't think we've ever done it solo - usually the two of
us working together.

We don't pad the deck (never had any problem with black marks but
maybe that's because we got it used and they've all worn off). We
keep all the items needed to put it together in one bag which is also
on the deck so we don't have to go looking for them. The little bits
like bolts etc are in a smaller bag in the big bag.

One of us holds the boat open - the other one puts in the center seat.
That holds the boat open so that the rest of the stuff can be put
together. The rest goes very quickly given that we have all the stuff
there.

After we put it together we launch it using the whisker pole as a
crane. Does not take long to do that as the bridle attachments are
already there.

I don't know exactly how heavy it is, but it is difficult for me and
Bob together to carry it fully rigged for any distance, and I CAN
carry 50 lbs. If it is just the boat without the seats, we can carry
it easily and Bob can pick it up by himself.

The motors for both dinghys are on the aft rail unless we are using
the dinghy. So the time to get and rig the motor will be the same
regardless of which dinghy we are using. We also have a container of
stuff that we need to use the dinghy (lights, PFDs, fire extinguisher
etc).

On the deck on my boat with seats, transom down below along with bolting
hardwar, plus engine on the rear pulpit of my boat, plus the gas tank for the
o/b engine, plus safety gear, plus rigging the harness to lift the Porta-Bote
off my boat, plus lowering the bote, plus all else, well the time is a mite
longer than on shore.


grandma Rosalie

James Johnson
remove the "dot" from after sail in email address to reply

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

In article , James Johnson says...

I have an Avon Redcrest inflatable. A portaboat has some attraction but on my
26 footer there is no acceptable place to put it.

The cabin top? On my boat the cabin top isn't big enough, an the link to some
pictures showed one stowed on the cabin top but it also obstructed the
handrails, which I won't do for safety reasons. I might need to be able to grab
that handrail one day.

The lifelines? If I put it there it fouls the sheet leading the jib track and
also would be an unacceptable obstruction to going forward on the side decks.
YMMV, and larger boats would not have the same issues.


I used one of the older double ended Porta-Botes on a 23 footer with good
results. In my case the companioway hatch was large enough that it was a simple
matter to stow the hull laying down on the quarterberth. In the evening we
would put the hull on deck alongside the cabin house. It would have been in the
way there during the day, but it was no problem in port.

On many boats the galley or something else might be in the way to get the hull
into the quarterberth, but if you have a straight shot this was a great way to
carry an 8' Porta-Bote.

Steve Christensen

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

In article , James Johnson says...

I have an Avon Redcrest inflatable. A portaboat has some attraction but on my
26 footer there is no acceptable place to put it.

The cabin top? On my boat the cabin top isn't big enough, an the link to some
pictures showed one stowed on the cabin top but it also obstructed the
handrails, which I won't do for safety reasons. I might need to be able to grab
that handrail one day.

The lifelines? If I put it there it fouls the sheet leading the jib track and
also would be an unacceptable obstruction to going forward on the side decks.
YMMV, and larger boats would not have the same issues.


I used one of the older double ended Porta-Botes on a 23 footer with good
results. In my case the companioway hatch was large enough that it was a simple
matter to stow the hull laying down on the quarterberth. In the evening we
would put the hull on deck alongside the cabin house. It would have been in the
way there during the day, but it was no problem in port.

On many boats the galley or something else might be in the way to get the hull
into the quarterberth, but if you have a straight shot this was a great way to
carry an 8' Porta-Bote.

Steve Christensen