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Bob wrote:
....
I can not agree with your opinion that Neal's "...Master Mariner
ticket is the highest and
most coveted of any seaman...."

I do not belive a 25 GRT NCW license supports your claim regardless if
it his 2nd Issue. To paraphrase the USCG licensing site, one day sea
service over 5 GRT will qualify you for a 25 GRT license. So the the
guy self certified he had 360 days NC in 18' skiff and one day getting
drunk on a friend's 6 GRT stinkpot. Not what I would call "most
coveted" nor capable ability............................ :/


This raises a question I've wondered about for a while: Although Neal
clearly doesn't qualify for "near coastal" in the normal sense, even
given the slight laxer rules for the Gulf Coast, how does "sea time" at
anchor in the Bahamas count? Its clearly outside the line for coastal
US waters, but anchored in sight of land really is not the same as
outside the sea buoys (about 15 miles offshore) as most of the the East
Coast requires.

I'm sure that when Neal "self certified" he mis-read the regs as "near
postal," which clearly he qualifies for.

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On Jun 28, 7:42*am, Jeff wrote:


This raises a question I've wondered about for a while: Although Neal
clearly doesn't qualify for "near coastal" in the normal sense, even
given the slight laxer rules for the Gulf Coast, how does "sea time" at
anchor in the Bahamas count? *Its clearly outside the line for coastal
US waters, but anchored in sight of land really is not the same as
outside the sea buoys (about 15 miles offshore) as most of the the East
Coast requires.

I'm sure that when Neal "self certified" he mis-read the regs as "near
postal," which clearly he qualifies for.


He there,
The USCG is very specific regarding Qulifying Sea Service. For a day
to count it must be "underway."

But the loop hole is the Small Sea Service Form. People lie when they
self certify their sea service. I was appauled when I discoved that.

But in one way its okay. If all someone is going to do with a Lower
Level license (25-100 GRT) is hang it on the wall and brag....... no
worries!!!
Maybe there should be a new area of operation as you
suggest............ Near Postal Waters (NPW) i like that :)
Bob

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On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:39:55 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:


More like a bulk carrier than a sailboat. But, whatever floats your boat . .
.

Myself, I prefer to sail. This no wind for an entire week is a load of crap.
Won't happen in that part of the world. He obviously lied. What he didn't
want to admit was the winds were light and variable and he was too lazy and
in too much of a hurry to work them. Not to mention his boat was so heavy
loaded down with huge diesel engine and huge tanks to feed its appetite.
Easier to just motor. It takes half a gale to make any decent amount of way
with any motor sailer like that.

That's the problem with carrying a lot of tankage. You quickly turn into
just another worthless motorboat. Now, I think I understand why you failed
to make it around even one time. Your tanks just weren't large enough. Some
sailor, you!


Wilbur Hubbard


For someone that doesn't sail you seem to have a lot of information
about the Indian ocean, albeit incorrect. During the change over from
the N.W. Monsoon to the S.W. Monsoon there are frequent periods of
calm.

The boat is a 55 ft. Ketch and the Perkins 6 cylinder doesn't seem to
weight it down a bit, nor the fuel.

Your problem is that you don't know anything about cruising boats. If
you have ever sailed (and I find that extremely doubtful from your
posts) it was in some sort of tiny day sailor. Had you have ever been
around an ocean going boat or made a voyage out of sight of land you'd
know better. But of course, you haven't so you sit there in your
eazyboy recliner reading your yachting magazines and dreaming you are
a sailor.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

I hate to support you in this Bruce, you being an American, but you
are 100% correct.

The man simply doesn't know what he is talking about having never been
there in one of his several 'circumnavigations'. There are many
periods of many days without wind and the currents in this area make
it both necessary and sensible to motor.

Another area requiring frequent motoring is the Med.

I am certain that if Captain Cook and all the great sailors had an
engine and adequate fuel they would have eschewed sailing at times of
adverse or no wind and motored quite happily about. They would have
also used flushing toilets instead of a wooden bucket.

what a moron.

Peter

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On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:06:27 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


wrote in message
...

I saw it. Neal use to be somewhat respected among mariners.
And he had a few things positive going on. IIRC he even sat for a 5
ton Capt. ticket.

Me thinks he caught the clap, and now his brain is rotting like
Hitlers did in his last days.

Fred

The Good Captain Neal is still very much respected among mariners. His
accomplishments are legion. His Master Mariner ticket is the highest and
most coveted of any seaman. Proof he http://www.badongo.com/pic/3853394

He e-mails me from time to time and I forward him a large box of his fan
mail. The last box I sent to Cape Town, South Africa. He's going round again
or those are his current plans at least.

Had the skipper of the lost "Red Cloud" procured the services of the Good
Captain on that ill-fated coffee run the Red Cloud would have never
foundered. He's sailed through many a tropical cyclone so some short-lived
little Gulf cold front he would have taken in stride even in a less than
seaworthy such as Red Cloud.

Wilbur Hubbard


And there is Wilbur, The Old Man of the Sea, The Master Mariner, the
individual who specifies the correct length of a set of oars was
"short enough to fit in the boat" and many other gems of nautical
wisdom.

Too bad you have never been in a boat. Maybe you would have learned a
tiny bit about sailing and instead of being the buffoon of RBC you
might be able to scale the heights of being "someone who is not too
bright". Far above being referred to as "Wilbur the Dummy".

Say, for instance, if you had said that "oars should be long enough to
reach the water", people would have thought, "well, he isn't the
brightest light on the Christmas tree" instead of "Stupid old Wilbur
done did it again". One thing I'll give you credit for though. You
really work at being stupid. Nobody could be as dumb as you are
without a tremendous amount of effort.



A fool who knows his foolishness is wise
at least to that extent, but a fool who
thinks himself wise is a fool indeed.

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"FoolKiller" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:06:27 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


wrote in message
...

I saw it. Neal use to be somewhat respected among mariners.
And he had a few things positive going on. IIRC he even sat for a 5
ton Capt. ticket.

Me thinks he caught the clap, and now his brain is rotting like
Hitlers did in his last days.

Fred

The Good Captain Neal is still very much respected among mariners. His
accomplishments are legion. His Master Mariner ticket is the highest and
most coveted of any seaman. Proof he http://www.badongo.com/pic/3853394

He e-mails me from time to time and I forward him a large box of his fan
mail. The last box I sent to Cape Town, South Africa. He's going round
again
or those are his current plans at least.

Had the skipper of the lost "Red Cloud" procured the services of the Good
Captain on that ill-fated coffee run the Red Cloud would have never
foundered. He's sailed through many a tropical cyclone so some short-lived
little Gulf cold front he would have taken in stride even in a less than
seaworthy such as Red Cloud.

Wilbur Hubbard


And there is Wilbur, The Old Man of the Sea, The Master Mariner, the
individual who specifies the correct length of a set of oars was
"short enough to fit in the boat" and many other gems of nautical
wisdom.

Too bad you have never been in a boat. Maybe you would have learned a
tiny bit about sailing and instead of being the buffoon of RBC you
might be able to scale the heights of being "someone who is not too
bright". Far above being referred to as "Wilbur the Dummy".

Say, for instance, if you had said that "oars should be long enough to
reach the water", people would have thought, "well, he isn't the
brightest light on the Christmas tree" instead of "Stupid old Wilbur
done did it again". One thing I'll give you credit for though. You
really work at being stupid. Nobody could be as dumb as you are
without a tremendous amount of effort.



A fool who knows his foolishness is wise
at least to that extent, but a fool who
thinks himself wise is a fool indeed.


Did you really breast feed into kindergarten?

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On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 10:38:10 +1000, Herodotus
wrote:

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:39:55 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:


More like a bulk carrier than a sailboat. But, whatever floats your boat . .
.

Myself, I prefer to sail. This no wind for an entire week is a load of crap.
Won't happen in that part of the world. He obviously lied. What he didn't
want to admit was the winds were light and variable and he was too lazy and
in too much of a hurry to work them. Not to mention his boat was so heavy
loaded down with huge diesel engine and huge tanks to feed its appetite.
Easier to just motor. It takes half a gale to make any decent amount of way
with any motor sailer like that.

That's the problem with carrying a lot of tankage. You quickly turn into
just another worthless motorboat. Now, I think I understand why you failed
to make it around even one time. Your tanks just weren't large enough. Some
sailor, you!


Wilbur Hubbard


For someone that doesn't sail you seem to have a lot of information
about the Indian ocean, albeit incorrect. During the change over from
the N.W. Monsoon to the S.W. Monsoon there are frequent periods of
calm.

The boat is a 55 ft. Ketch and the Perkins 6 cylinder doesn't seem to
weight it down a bit, nor the fuel.

Your problem is that you don't know anything about cruising boats. If
you have ever sailed (and I find that extremely doubtful from your
posts) it was in some sort of tiny day sailor. Had you have ever been
around an ocean going boat or made a voyage out of sight of land you'd
know better. But of course, you haven't so you sit there in your
eazyboy recliner reading your yachting magazines and dreaming you are
a sailor.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

I hate to support you in this Bruce, you being an American, but you
are 100% correct.

The man simply doesn't know what he is talking about having never been
there in one of his several 'circumnavigations'. There are many
periods of many days without wind and the currents in this area make
it both necessary and sensible to motor.

Another area requiring frequent motoring is the Med.

I am certain that if Captain Cook and all the great sailors had an
engine and adequate fuel they would have eschewed sailing at times of
adverse or no wind and motored quite happily about. They would have
also used flushing toilets instead of a wooden bucket.

what a moron.

Peter


Many years ago I met Captain Carter, an 80 year old lobster fisherman
and boat builder up on the coast of Maine. His family had lived in the
area and built boats for a couple of hundred years.

I asked him one day, Captain Carter, were the good old days really
that good?

He replied, "Boy, I'll tell you. you get down the mouth of the bay in
a sloop and the wind dies and you have to row her home you won't talk
about the Good Old Days.

Sloop, in this case referring to a lobster boat, a 28 - 30 ft.
Friendship Sloop like Captain Carter fished from in his younger days.

The Buggis Schooners, from S. Sulawasi are still trading between the
Indonesian Islands but they are all motorized now.

Real sailors -- the people that actually make their living from being
on the water are pretty unanimous in thinking that internal combustion
is good.



Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

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On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:46:38 +0700, FoolKiller
wrote:


Wilbur Hubbard


And there is Wilbur, The Old Man of the Sea, The Master Mariner, the
individual who specifies the correct length of a set of oars was
"short enough to fit in the boat" and many other gems of nautical
wisdom.

Too bad you have never been in a boat. Maybe you would have learned a
tiny bit about sailing and instead of being the buffoon of RBC you
might be able to scale the heights of being "someone who is not too
bright". Far above being referred to as "Wilbur the Dummy".

Say, for instance, if you had said that "oars should be long enough to
reach the water", people would have thought, "well, he isn't the
brightest light on the Christmas tree" instead of "Stupid old Wilbur
done did it again". One thing I'll give you credit for though. You
really work at being stupid. Nobody could be as dumb as you are
without a tremendous amount of effort.



A fool who knows his foolishness is wise
at least to that extent, but a fool who
thinks himself wise is a fool indeed.


Cruel, cruel...
But, very good

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The Buggis Schooners, from S. Sulawasi are still trading between the
Indonesian Islands but they are all motorized now.

Real sailors -- the people that actually make their living from being
on the water are pretty unanimous in thinking that internal combustion
is good.



Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

Bruce,
A thought just leapt into my somewhat disheveled mind.

In New Zealand as small children we were threatened by the "Bugi man"
along the lines of "If you don't be good, go to sleep etc., the Bugi
man will get you" I think it has since fallen out of favour, probably
to someone like Darth Vader.

The Bugi man is derived of course from the fierce Bugis sailors,
pirates and traders.

Was the Bugi man used in the USA to frighten children or is it a
colonial legacy you didn't inherit?

regards
Peter

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On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:35:13 +1000, Herodotus
wrote:




The Buggis Schooners, from S. Sulawasi are still trading between the
Indonesian Islands ///

Bruce-in-Bangkok

///
In New Zealand as small children we were threatened by the "Bugi man"
along the lines of "If you don't be good, go to sleep etc., the Bugi
man will get you"

The Bugi man is derived of course from the fierce Bugis sailors,
pirates and traders.

Was the Bugi man used in the USA to frighten children or is it a
colonial legacy you didn't inherit?

regards
Peter

The word bogey is linked to many similar words in European languages;
púca, pooka or pookha (Irish Gaelic), pwca, bwga or bwgan (Welsh),
puki (Old Norse), pixie or piskie (Cornish), puck (English), bogu
(Slavonic) and of course bugge (Middle English) - frightening specter.

Brian W

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"Herodotus" wrote in message
...



The Buggis Schooners, from S. Sulawasi are still trading between the
Indonesian Islands but they are all motorized now.

Real sailors -- the people that actually make their living from being
on the water are pretty unanimous in thinking that internal combustion
is good.



Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

Bruce,
A thought just leapt into my somewhat disheveled mind.

In New Zealand as small children we were threatened by the "Bugi man"
along the lines of "If you don't be good, go to sleep etc., the Bugi
man will get you" I think it has since fallen out of favour, probably
to someone like Darth Vader.

The Bugi man is derived of course from the fierce Bugis sailors,
pirates and traders.

Was the Bugi man used in the USA to frighten children or is it a
colonial legacy you didn't inherit?

regards
Peter


People in New Zealand are retarded then. It's not a Bugi man its a Bogey
Man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogeyman

All U.S. Americans, when they were kids, were routinely threatened with the
coming of a bogey man. If you were bad the bogey man was gonna get you, etc.

Bugi Man??? Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahh! No wonder Kiwi's can't sail.
They can't even think.

Wilbur Hubbard